ABC/facebook New Hampshire Rep/Dem Debates tonight: OPEN THREAD

By: Morra Aarons Topics: Politics & News Election 2008 DEBATES Fred Thompson

 

Tonight, starting at 7pm Eastern on ABC, ABC News, WMUR-TV, and Facebook are hosting back-to-back presidential debates at Saint Anselm College in Manchester, NH, just 3 days before the NH Primary. Republicans will debate from 7-8:30 p.m., ET and Democrats will follow from approximately 8:45-10:15 p.m., ET. The two 90-minute debates, moderated by ABC’s Charles Gibson with questions from WMUR anchor and political director Scott Spradling, will air in primetime on ABC.

Following each debate, Diane Sawyer will anchor live reports, providing a re-cap and analysis of the evening’s events. She will be joined by George Stephanopoulos.

This is going to be really exciting, and Mary Katharine Ham and I will be at the debates, covering them for BlogHer, Townhall.com and TechPresident. Please join us in commenting below in the open thread. Finally, I think this is going to be a riveting night of debates because everyone will be wondering, "Can Hillary Clinton pull off a victory in NH? And what about McCain"?

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Comments

 

Take a look at KDPaine's NH take

By: Erin Kotecki Vest

She's blogging from New Hampshire and has some interesting insight:

"Obama represents a whole new generation of politicians. Part of his appeal is simply that he wasn't on the public stage a decade ago. Part of it is his voice and his oratory skills. Part of it is the way he approaches problems, and part of it is that he represents America. His background, his skin, his parentage. There's something in there for everyone. Just by winning Iowa he's changed some people's perceptions of the US. If he takes the White House, it's a whole new image for the U.S.

Whatever reason, something happened last night that was different from all other 100 Club dinners I've ever been to. People left inspired, not just tired."

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain


 

Are the democrats after the republicans...

By: CityMama

because we stay up later? ;-)

Can't wait to follow along here.

Stefania Pomponi Butler


I blog:
CityMama
Kimchi Mamas
MOMocrats

 

I'm sitting here in the press hall in Manchester at the ABC/Facebook debate- nothing's really happening yet, and everyone is milling around. The bloggers are in the back, but we are near the food!

I'm seeing lots of my favorite TV reporters, looking chic in suits and Ugg boots. More soon....


 

Not Live on West Coast

By: Maria Niles

So we need live blogging! :-)

ABC is not streaming it, either - at least not that I can find. And this a debate being co-sponsored by a website! Blurgh.

PopConsumer
Beyond Help


 

Found the stream

By: Maria Niles

Local NH affiliate

http://www.wmur.com/video/14986153/index.html


 

Thank you Maria!

By: Erin Kotecki Vest

I've been looking high and low for a live stream!

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain


 

Internet is very spotty..

By: Morra Aarons

So liveblogging is out.
I really liked how Gibson kicked off the debate with Iraq. No more ducking. Huckabee has clearly done his cramming on foreign policy, mentioning radical Islamic scholar "Sayid Qutub" (sic) many, many times.

The line thus far of the night when he was asked to characterize his position and Huckabee said, "which one." Major howls here.

I like McCain's focus on "outcome based" medicine. Mary Katharine clarified for me that this means focusing on preventative medicine for the 5 most common (and biggest health insurance cost centers) illnesses, rather that paying out huge bills when people are already sick.

Ok, more Reagan hagiography. More blogging when internet packets come back through! What are you all thinking?


 

The health care discussion is infuriating

By: Kim Pearson

Romney's suggestion that 47 million people in the US who don't have health insurance have chosen to dump the cost of their care on the rest of us is remarkably sloppy and cavalier. Guiliani's bland assertion that we have the health care system in the world seems not be informed by the data on infant mortality, which are rising at alarming rates.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|


 

These uninsured people he is talking about, don't "want" to be uninsured.

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
also at CatherineBlogs.com and The Political Voices of Women


 

Who would have thought...

By: Kim Pearson

That so much time is being spent on who can beat Obama.

I also have to add that I like the fact that ABC is bringing research and fact-checking into the questioning.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|


 

So I Had To Look Up "Hagiography"

By: MSmith

But once I did, I agree with you about the Republicans bowing at the altar of St. Reagan.

I love seeing all the candidates go at it a bit without too much interruption. Especially on the topic of illegal immigration. Unlike debates where the reporter is always interjecting questions, the candidates themselves were able to try and pin each other down on particular positions. Like when McCain was pressed on his immigration plan.

Megan
Megan’s Minute


 

Unity stance

By: Morra Aarons

what nice symbolism...yeah right. Are they all going to rush Obama and tackle him? Now that's how they can run against Obama...


 

Live stream was

By: Marilyn

Live stream was glitchy...and only caught maybe last 20 minutes of Rebub. debate. I'm an Obama Democrat, but I do try to listen objectively to what all have to say. I really didn't like Romney before tonight, but really, really dislike him now. I was surprised that I'd been watching for maybe 10 minutes before I heard a word out of Huckabee. Was he a more active participant early on?

Wondering what Hillary thinks of all that "Why you instead of Obama?" stuff. :)

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

Huckabee really was not a factor, was he?

By: Kim Pearson

His silence during the foreign policy and immigration discussion underscored what his own aide acknowledged the other day -- that Huckabee has no real foreign policy credentials.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|


 

Josh Marshall on

By: Marilyn

Josh Marshall on Mitt:

"...he was being slapped around up there like the dorky kid in the High School locker room." :)

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

My stream was iffy too

By: Erin Kotecki Vest

Not to mention it took me forever to give up trying to make it work on Firefox and moved over to IE. Glad to see the discussion going on here and I hope to catch the Repubs on the West Coast feed here in an hour.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain


 

Did anyone else hear Hillary go on about a possible terrorist attack after the elections...and that she is the only one who could handle something like that?? (It was on CNN earlier today).

She totally lost me at that moment.

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
also at CatherineBlogs.com and The Political Voices of Women


 

Did she really lose you?

By: Morra Aarons

If you mind saying- I'm curious.


 

She never 100% "had" me...but I was hoping she would say something that would make me want to vote for her. But, to answer your question...Yes, she lost me. I will not be voting for her in the primaries. However, if she is the Democratic nominee I will support her.

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
also at CatherineBlogs.com and The Political Voices of Women


   

The Skins are out of the playoffs

By: lauriewrites

And the Republican debate just ended. Depressing night for tv in DC.

When it ended I just went "eh." Cannot abide Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, either one. And who else is in this from this side?

The bipartisan confab at the end was interesting. I'm just looking for some inspiration here, people. And maybe someone who seems like a capable leader. So far, not feeling either.

Thanks for the coverage Morra, I love when you're on the scene. : )

Laurie
LaurieWrites


 

someone wrote they were thinking "they understand why Bill hooked up with Monica" and the Barack is a Muslim smear. Yuck. I don't think they are archiving though...


 

Facebook creeps me

By: Marilyn

Facebook creeps me out--deactivated my acct awhile back. Sorry to hear that's the level it's stooped to.

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

Sheesh!

By: Kim Pearson

Wonder how much people making the inane comments on FB even understand the discussion taking place here. By the way, this discussion is a like a grad school seminar, while the Republican panel had the tenor of a barroom argument. No one has called anyone else a liar or smirked (as Romney did) while his or her opponents make their points.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|


 

You have to give Hillary Clinton credit. She knows her stuff. Her response to Richardson that Musharraf is an elected official who can't just be pushed out of office by the US without compromising the integrity of their electoral process was a good one. Also, she was the only one who mentioned Pakistan's fear of a possible attack from India.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|


 

Kim, I agree--I liked her

By: Marilyn

Kim, I agree--I liked her response on the first go-round of that issue.

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

"Spin room" for GOP

By: Morra Aarons

That's where all the media and pundits rush to after the debate to give soundbites. It's in the gym at the college- ABC has managed to build a nice set around it.
"Spinning" for the Republicans:
Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul. A little lonely.

Protectionist Tom Tancredo stumping for Romney. That is a big yuck to me. Why would Romney identify with such an extremist? Immigration vote, I guess.
Bay Buchanan (Pat's sister) also for Romney

Sen. Lindsey Graham spinning for McCain, very popular...

and Joe Scarborough was the big celebrity on the scene, not on duty as a reporter I think, just taking it in.


 
 

Thanks for the WP Fact-Checker link.

By: Marilyn

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

Is it just me, or does

By: Marilyn

Is it just me, or does Hillary look pissed...ever since she sat down? I don't see how that look she has tonight is going to serve her well. I can't read the look...does she think the debate process is beneath her? Does she resent being in the 4th seat? Anybody else perceive it that way?

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

They are going at it.

Hillary: we are all advocating for change. We all want to get rid of Bush. But you don't make change by just calling for it...hard work.

Clinton says Obama not consistent on health care...Obama says, check out the AP.

And then Clinton to Obama: you stop short of going the distance for those who need health care....changes his positions on many issues.

Have you noticed it's "John" tonight- not Senator Edwards? Are Obama and Clinton condescending?


 

Oh, SNAP, John Edwards (to

By: Marilyn

Oh, SNAP, John Edwards (to Hillary!) :)

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

You know it!!!

By: CityMama

He was spot-on with all his points and definitely put her on the defensive...which isn't a good look for her.

Stefania Pomponi Butler


I blog:
CityMama
Kimchi Mamas
MOMocrats

 

Edwards was HAMMERING her

By: Erin Kotecki Vest

It was like Obama set him up and he just went to TOWN.

Hubby believes they pre-planned this strategy.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain


 

Sorry, I know that's

By: Marilyn

Sorry, I know that's snarky...but I happen to believe that the Clintons play dirty...

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

I think they all do, in

By: lauriewrites

I think they all do, in their own special, politically-driven way.

Laurie
LaurieWrites


 

People Meter reactions

By: Maria Niles

Biggest negatives so far on Clinton accusing Obama of flip flopping

And interesting to see Edwards attacking Clinton for attacking Obama for attacking Edwards - oh the posturing!


 

Loved the way you summed that up!

By: Kim Pearson

Makes them sound pretty silly, doesn't it?

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|


 

Yeah, that kind of made

By: lauriewrites

Yeah, that kind of made Edwards look silly from where I sit.

Laurie
LaurieWrites


 

Survivor

By: Maria Niles

Yep it's silly like an episode of survivor - Edwards is trying to form an alliance with Obama so that it's a race between the two of them but Obama is ignoring him.

On the Republican side Huckabee and McCain are teaming up (explicitly) against
Romney so they can knock him out and then fight among themselves to keep their torch lit.


 

Now it gets nasty

By: Kim Pearson

Clinton accuses Obama of saying one thing and doing another"You said you would vote against the PATRIOT ACT, and you voted for it. You said you would vote against the war and you voted for it." Obama doesn't respond directly to that, but says Clinton distorted his health care plan. Now Edwards is calling Clinton the "forces of the status quo."

Clinton: "What we need is someone who can deliver change."

Richardson:"I've been in hostage negotiations that are a lot more civil than this."

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|


 

35 years of change

By: Maria Niles

Negative reaction from voters - Clinton needs a different message


 

Edwards on Hillary's change message: "I didn't hear these kinds of comments from Senator Clinton when she was ahead..."

And then Hillary gets angry. I loved it. She effectively pointed out that she had made laws, not just talked about change. Keep it up.

Richardson: is change a leper? I love change though (Hillary please make me your VP)

"Change" might be the "reformer" of this primary cycle...

and now, onto Iraq. Gibson: Are any of you ready to say the surge has worked?
Clinton: surge is nothing without political reconciliation. That didn't happen....troops should come home.

Obama: Bar has become so low we've lost perspective on what should have been our national interest. We never should have gone in...back where we started 2 years ago at too high a cost. Need a phased redeployment to send a clear signal to Iraqi Govt: we won't be there in perpetuity.


 

I thought she did a nice job with bringing that back to specifics. Overall, it was one of the most interesting conversations I've ever seen in a debate and that's saying something.

"I love change."
"No, I love change more."
"What kind of change are we talking about?"

And on and on and on...And all I kept thinking was, if I could get a magic answer as to which one of you could broker some REAL, COOL change (hi Little River Band...) I would vote for you right now.

Laurie
LaurieWrites


 

I don't think she looks

By: lauriewrites

I don't think she looks pissed. I think she looks tired. Can imagine they all are. And making it a lovefest kind of defeats the point.

I want to be much more impressed by Obama than I am.

And Professor Kim, I'm with you - I was an early Hillary supporter and have since gone to the land of the undecided, where I remain. Say what they will about her - she kind of knows what's up. I also believe that as much as people trash her for things relevant and not to this whole thing, she can afford to be a little feisty.

Again, not making a call, just sayin'. ;)

Laurie
LaurieWrites


 

Jumping off live feed and

By: Marilyn

Jumping off live feed and switching on ABC to watch first part of Republican debate that I missed...will catch end of Democratic one on the tape delay...

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

To Clinton: You are seen as

By: amommystory

Moderator to Clinton: You are seen as more experienced, but Obama is more well-liked...

Clinton could have sealed that by pointing out that Bush was seen as well-liked, without a lot of experience when he was a candidate. Look where that got us.

It scares me that people would vote for someone based on if they'd like to have a drink with them versus voting for someone based on the belief that they could do the job well.

(Not saying Obama couldn't do the job well. Just pointing out the insanity of judging candidates as being "well-liked".)

Christina
A Mommy Story


 

Many of us feel that Obama

By: Marilyn

Many of us feel that Obama IS the one who can do the job well. Don't like Hillary's partisanship. Although, I have to be honest--I'm STILL not clear what 'experience' Hillary's referring to when she trots out that line. Has she really been a Senator THAT much longer than Barack?

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur


 

I read a story once by a

By: lauriewrites

I read a story once by a journalist covering Bush in Crawford, who said a neighbor there said, "I love hanging out with him, but would I want him running my country? No."

I've since read other reports that say similar things. But it does become a popularity/personality contest on some level. Human beings respond to those kinds of impressions. Let's just hope we hit a double bonus in 2008.

Laurie
LaurieWrites


 

West Coast feed

By: Erin Kotecki Vest

For those of us on the West Coast just now tuning in: keep this amazing discussion going!

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain