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Abortion And The Call For Common Ground: Can We Do It?

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It's hard to put down the hate.

I really do hate you for trying to control my body. It's true. I won't lie.

We can talk circles around when life begins, who has "rights" and your beliefs over mine all day and get nowhere. You think I'm immoral and I think you're naive. You call me a murderer and I call you ignorant of science.

That is never going away, and I accept it. You're not changing my mind. I'm not changing yours, and I accept it.

Kinda.

Well, enough to try and look past it a bit.

This weekend President Obama and Notre Dame's president Father Jenkins asked us to try and look past all this hate. They asked us, in no uncertain terms, to attempt dialogue.

Tough. I know. Believe me.

Today I attempted that dialogue on CNN.com with a panel of bloggers and by the end was ready to start yelling and screaming all over again at the conservatives and so-called "pro-lifers" on the panel. (refraining here from calling you anti-choice because you call me anti-life...but...bygones...)

This is probably the most thorn-ridden olive branch ever extended in the history of the world.

This is going to be hard..but if we both TRULY believe in our side of the debate we NEED to talk and see what we can accomplish.

I think there is easily room for common ground on adoption. The red-tape. The difficulties of the system here in the US.

I think there is room, maybe not as easily, for common ground on preventing the number and the need for abortions in the US. That means comprehensive sex education. It works, let's talk about it.

I also think there is room for common ground on learning to just plain live with one another. You don't have to like me and I don't have to like you. We can argue until we are blue in the face but when all is said and done you still live next door. Our kids still go to school together and we may actually agree on many other issues.

We've gotten so mired down in this fight that we can't even seem to agree if the President should be addressing a Catholic University like Notre Dame, because of the abortion issue. That in and of itself is sad.

As someone raised Catholic and still deeply conflicted over her faith, watching Notre Dame applaud the President actually gave me hope that we all really can live together. That the "other side" may not be so evil and that there is a shred of possibility we can co-exist without the constant war.

Notre Dame grad Lisa writes,

"As an institution of higher education if Notre Dame was to shield its students from the political debates of our time because they disagree with the church than in my opinion the university wouldn't be doing its job to educate future members of society. If the clout of the university is such that the President will speak to its graduates as they head off into uncertain times, then I applaud them. Learning to find common ground in life, in jobs, in careers is essential. I am proud that Obama spoke at Notre Dame and that at least the majority of the university community welcomed him."

Kim at LA Moms Blog, also an ND grad, says,

"...I do understand the protests. When you believe in something so wholeheartedly, it pisses you off when your idol - in this case The University of Notre Dame itself - seems to demonstrate a huge departure from your morals. On the other hand, I believe in respect. I have written that Barack Obama is not Jesus; well, he's not Saddam Hussein either. He is the President of our country, a historical figure, the man in whom we've put our faith to lead us out of an ever-growing pit of despair. Whether or not he leads us out or just makes it worse, he deserves a little respect. Who better than our nation's leader to provoke the minds of a few thousand young men and women who will be called upon to make change in our country, in the world?"

So you have to wonder, if we can't even agree on the President's appearance at Notre Dame, let alone his call for common ground discussion...how can we possibly move forward?

I'll tell you how and it's easier than you'd think...civility.

Civility takes work. Believe me, I know. Just writing this was an act in civility for me...someone

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babybeatnik 5 pts

It's true - we're never going to find a common ground in terms of abortion - but if we can find a common ground on prevention then perhaps it won't be such a problem! There should also be more offered to the women who feel that they have no other choice than abortion - both beforehand and after.

Before I had kids, I was very pro-choice. Now I'm kind of back and forth on it. I still consider myself to be pro-life, but I'm saddened by this decision and there are some days I feel guilty about it.  But I accept the fact that for some women there just isn't another feasible option. 

DanaFiles 5 pts

I appreciate your comment, but I have to state clearly that I did not miss the point. 

The title of Erin's piece is "Abortion and the Call for Common Ground" not "Abortion Prevention and the Call for Common Grond."  Obviously, I want nothing more than to prevent abortion.  We can all agree on that.  We can all agree that we need better sex ed programs and better education about all the options available to women.  We can all agree that birth control must be made available as well.

But when we strip down to the brass tacks of this issue, the very act of abortion itself, no one in the world will agree that finding common ground is possible.  To you it sounds naive, to me it's being painfully honest.

SusanSVS 5 pts

Being on the same side of this volatile subject as Erin, I think the most important point she makes is where we can all find the common ground.  To open discuss that sex does happen - whether it's between teenagers and young adults or more mature people, has nothing to do with abortion itself.

What's important, no matter which side of this issue you support is to be willing to discuss the reality that people of all ages have sex and sex results in pregnancy - sometimes wanted and sometimes not.

Being willing to discuss safe sex to prevent pregnancy, STDs, HIV/AIDS, etc. has more to do with being responsible for one's own behavior than specifically with the topic of abortion. 

Abortion is more likely to become one of the topics of conversation when the first issues isn't addressed. That's when you have to figure out whether you want to go through with a pregnancy, with all its associated choices, or terminate.

I don't believe any woman - or man - for that matter - truly believes that abortion is a great option - or a form of birth control.  But having the choice is what's important to those of us on this side of the issue. 

The government interfers with too much of our/my life already.  There's no way I could ever support our politicians, voters or religious organizations ever dictating my personal rights regarding my body. If they are able to do this, then what next? 

DanaFiles 5 pts

I don't hate any person who supports abortion rights.  I don't hate any women who has had an abortion.  What good will hatred do? What purpose would it serve?

What I do hate is that 50 million babies (and counting) have been aborted since 1973.  I hate thinking about it, I hate talking about it.  I hate wondering about all those women and each of their situations and the circumstances that led them to make their choices.  But in no way do I hate the women themselves.

It's not my place to pass judgement because I will never know what they were thinking or how they were feeling.  It is my place to offer compassion and understanding. It has taken several long years for me to understand that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop believing that every person has the right to life.

I agree with supporting women and mothers.  I agree that we need to establish sex education programs and make contraception available, but we need reasonable guidelines here, too, with respect to every person and their beliefs.

Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

but I do think we can find it on adoption, supporting mothers, and sex ed.

Not that those things will be easy-but at least those areas afford SOME wiggle room.

I hope.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

I have to admit my hate, or you will just call me out on it.

it's there. it's there on both sides and must be addressed.

So if it's there, and we all admit it's there...maybe then we can really find some common ground.

I honestly think helping mothers and supporting mothers is an honest to goodness common ground area. So is adoption. So is sex education. Not easy common ground but it's there.

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DanaFiles 5 pts

Erin, I understand your intention, to reach common ground.  But I can't help but ask why one of the first things you talk about is hating those who oppose you.  When I read those first few sentences, it makes me want to retreat to my own base camp.  

In no way am I trying to attack you, but throughout your post I felt your
tone implied that Pro-Lifers are just supposed to give in to the Pro-Choicers so that we can reach this common ground.  It almost seemed antagonistic. I ask you, are Pro-Choicers willing to give in as well? 

In order to be on common ground, both sides would need to form a common interest in the issue, to belong equally to the idea or issue at hand.  Honestly, I don't see that happening because one group believes every baby has the right to life and the other group believes the mother has the right to choose if her baby will be born.  (Take religion out of the equation.  It's irrelevent.  Not all pro-life supporters are religious and not all pro-choicers are without religion.)    

I haven't blogged about abortion in quite some time, because I know that those who support abortion rights are deeply rooted in their cause, just like pro-life supporters are deeply rooted in theirs.  I can certainly be civil to my opponents, just as you can be civil to yours.  But we all know that at the end of the day we think "the other side" is out of their minds.  Each side will continue to fight for their cause. 

I admire President Obama for his effort, but there is no compromising on this issue.  If we tried to say otherwise, we'd be lying.  You and I both know it.

southerndomesticgoddess 5 pts

I think the only thing we can do really is, as you mentioned, have better sex education to try to reduce the need for abortions.  I would say that anyone could agree to that, no matter which side of the abortion issue you are on, but I have seen too many people advocating abstinence only sex education.

Rita Arens 7 pts

I think you've nailed it, Erin. We need to reduce the NEED for abortions -- then we won't have to argue about them at all. Wouldn't it be amazing to live in a world in which no woman ever had to face an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy? Sign me up for spreading the word about sex education.

Rita Arens writes at Surrender Dorothy ( http://surrenderdorothy.typepad.com ) and BlogHer and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ).

ThurmanHart 5 pts

If someone truly believes that abortion is murder, then they are simply not going to budge on that issue.  If you think about it, it makes sense - after all, I'm not about to talk about legalizing murder (as I define it).   But should this stop us from talking about reducing abortions?

At first blush, the answer would be, "No, of course not."  However, when we talk about ways to reduce abortions - condom distribution, comprehensive sex education in high school (perhaps junior high), the "morning-after" pill, easier adoptions for single parents and gay parents, and cross-racial adoption - the area left for compromise becomes pretty small.  

The unfortunate reality is that many pro-life activists also insist that the "just say no" approach to sex is the preferred, if not the only, way to reduce abortions.  What good does it do to agree to reduce abortions if the other side is going to shoot down every single effective manner of doing so?  

 However, it is possible to reach people who fall short of the activist vein.  Unfortunately, the one way to reach them is to make one's self available to the hatred of the virulent activist community.