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Are Fat Kids' Parents Guilty of Child Abuse?

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I was a little shocked to learn that a Cleveland, Ohio 3rd grader was removed from his parents' custody because he is obese. Granted, I need to lose weight, and perhaps that influences my opinion -- but it wasn't intuitive to me that having a fat kid is child abuse. By the way, I am using the term fat intentionally. It is all well and good to soften a message with politically correct terms -- but there are some topics that I think deserve the impact that the harsher words bring to the table.

Fat Kids

Child on ScaleMaybe you've heard that your child is chunky. Or maybe your child is solid. Or robust. Or perhaps someone says "He should play football with his build." Regardless of how it's phrased, it all means the same thing. Your child is fat.

Granted there are varying degrees of fat. The more medical terms being overweight or obese or grossly obese, but it doesn't change the message. To meet our cultural ideas of beauty and appropriate weight, your child is too fat.

Health

Notice I did not mention health impacts. Why not? Because negative health impacts are not guaranteed. There are plenty of heavy people that have perfectly fine blood pressure and cholesterol levels. There is no guarantee this boy will continue to be obese into adulthood, or that if he does continue to be obese that he will have associated health problems. Are his chances of health issues increased if he is obese into adulthood? Yes. But it is not guaranteed.

In this case, they say he was removed from his parents' care for "medical reasons." The medical reason being that he is a time bomb waiting to happen when he's 30.

Did CPS Cross a Line?

I have issues with this logic. Basically, the State has argued that they removed this child from the custody of his parents (where he is on the school honor roll and active in school activities) due to concerns about his health 22 years from now.

Really? Under that same logic, any parents that don't discuss sexual intercourse and condoms with their kids could be at risk of having their children placed in foster care.

Do you think it's a leap to go from obesity to condoms?

The argument I would make is the parents' refusal to discuss condoms puts their children at risk for contracting HIV, which in turn may cause them health problems when they are 30.

You don't like that one? Then here's another one for you. Under the same logic, parents that don't read to their children from birth and don't put them in extracurricular activities should have their children removed also. Why? It is statistically proven that children that are read to are more likely to succeed. That children in extracurricular activities are more socially adept and also more likely to succeed.

Therefore, if you don't do these things you are putting your child (as an adult) at risk of not having a reliable job, possibly becoming homeless due to job loss, and therefore at risk of a shortened life span. Is it guaranteed that these things will happen? Of course not. But neither is it guaranteed that this 3rd grader's current weight will cause him future health problems.

Each argument is based upon the worry about what might happen in 20+ years. I personally don't think children should be yanked from their homes, put through the emotional turmoil of being placed in foster care, and have potential emotional scarring for fear of what might happen 20 years from now.

What do you think?

Daria
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threelittlebaers 12 pts

Portion sizes are much larger now than they ever were back in the day, even actual plates and cups are bigger now. In an average restaurant meal, people are eating 2 or 3 servings at one time. Add several refills of a soft drink and the calorie count is dizzying.

The obesity problem is getting worse by the minute, and offering family nutrition and even family exercise classes, teaching label reading and talking about portion control/processed foods would be a million times more helpful than simply taking a child away.

ivys_flute 6 pts

On the radio here in Las Vegas, they reported that CPS had been working with the family for a YEAR before they took the child out of the home. A YEAR people! And the medical cause? He had severe sleep apnea due to his weight. He wasn't breathing at night!!

CPS didn't just go in and say, "we think you're kid is too fat, so we're taking him out of the home." They don't work like that. This wasn't a, "we're worried about his weight 22 years from now" thing. This was a "we're worried about his medical condition RIGHT NOW" thing.

Lets give CPS a little bit more credit. They may have still overstepped their bounds, but lets not make complete judgments when we all admitt that we don't have the whole story, and we weren't seeing what those workers were seeing.

Miriam Thompson 6 pts

By taking the child away from his parents, more harm than good can arise. Government cannot be two-faced about childhood obesity. This is the same institution that just legislated that pizza is a vegetable. More emphasis should be placed on strengthening programs that support families with overweight kids. I disagree with find_a_cure's comments. There is no child abuse in this situation. If we were to yank every overweight kid from their parents, we would have no room at all to host them. Plus, the further strain on taxpayers to finance their welfare. Again, parenting classes, nutrition classes and other means can be used than placing a child in a traumatic situation. This was not necessary.

find_a_cure 7 pts

Ok, so alot of people were "fat kids" 15 + years ago. You have to realize that back then "fat kids" were slightly overweight. Today you have children that are, for example, 6 years old weighing 120 lbs. We live in the "fast food" age. I was at Burger King once in a popular vacation area once. I noticed that 99% of the children in there were fat

. I am not too sure about the details of the CPS stepping in and removing the child because he or she was obese. However I believe that IF the child was 50 or more pounds overweight, IF the parents were told that he had health issues that were beginning to arise, and the parents did nothing to help the child; then yes it's child abuse.

luannpierce 6 pts

The whole thing is ridiculous - having worked with foster children (and I've been fat all my life) it is my learned opinion that the state has far greater immediate concerns to address with regard to abuse and neglect. Just my two cents as a clinical social worker, fat woman and human being with a brain;-)

elaineR.N. 355 pts

Don't know the details, but it seems as if intervention is the key for the whole family rather than removal.

lauriemann57 6 pts

Speaking as a fat person who came from a fairly long line of fat people, I think the CPS went way, way over the line. Maybe there were some other issues we don't know about, but taking a kid away from the parents, for almost any reason other than immediate physical/sexual abuse is wrong.

I wonder also if there's something about the environment, combined with early obesity, that causes type II diabetes in young people. I can't think of anyone who developed type II diabetes early in life; I know some people who developed diabetes in their 40s and later. Maybe the fact that younger people seem even less active now than we were in the '60s and '70s? Maybe heavy metals in the environment? PCBs? Something else?

LucindaA 34 pts

lauriemann57 I don't know how old you are but the quality of our food has changed a great deal in the past 20 years. When I taught junior high (about 15 years ago), it wasn't that uncommon for a child to be diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The child was always overweight. And those numbers are rising. I believe it has a lot to do with the food these kids are eating and what is being presented to them. Many parents I know don't understand how to read labels or realize that "healthy" snack is loaded with refined sugar, artificial colors and preservatives. Many of these are foods that simply didn't exist when I was a child.

lauriemann57 6 pts

LucindaA I'm 54. My daughter was in public school 20 years ago. There were some fat kids in school (including her), but I still don't remember hearing of any fat kids developing Type II (remember 2 young children with Type I).

I did read labels and that might have made a slight difference. There was a time when she was younger that she would eat more raw fruits and vegetables than I would. ;->

Thinking back to public school lunches in the 60s and then in the '90s, the main differences I'm aware of is the availability of chocolate milk (and even that's going away in many schools) and sodas (ditto). School lunches were so-so in the '60s and not any lot better in the '90s.

What I am noticing more among younger people developing Celiac's disease (including my sister-in-law and then her daughter).

LucindaA 34 pts

lauriemann57 Well, I'm 40 (just for context) and I agree that the lunches now aren't that different from when I was a kid but 15 years ago when I was teaching, at least at the districts I taught in, the food seemed to hit an all-time low. It was the beginning of outsourcing meals and it was all reheated stuff. The food at my childrens' school is much better now. The food service director has been there 4 years and he has made many improvements including removing desserts. But what I see on the shelves at stores is pretty terrible, especially places like Wal-Mart. HFCS has replaced sugar. MSG is in everything now. These two things have an impact on weight and appetite. There are also a lot more artificial sweeteners being used now than 20 years ago. It used to be just saccharine. Now there are multiple sweeteners and many people believe these to be safe but studies are showing it has an impact on perception of sweetness and how much people eat (which is usually more).

Coincidentally, I too have Celiac so I read all the labels and see exactly what is in this food. I do think the rise in Celiac has to do with the rise in production of wheat, soy, corn, and rice, all of which have been highly subsidized since about WWII so this has been a trend 50 years in the making. That however, is another debate. : )There is also a trend of moving away from home-cooked meals and eating fast food for dinner. I know many friends who do that. They have their kids in so many activities at such a young age that eating dinner together is no longer a priority which is too bad since study after study shows the positive impact of eating meals as a family.

Lavender Luz 20 pts

Such thinking would require that anyone who smokes have their child be removed from their home.

Truly, a slippery slope…

NayLahKnee 10 pts

Um yeah. they crossed the line in my eyes. We need to be careful of what we support in terms of the government being involved in child rearing. We dont know EVERYTHING about this woman or her child - only what the news tells us. Based on the little info they gave, I think they may have caused more damage to the child mentally than the obesity..........

Daria Giron 9 pts

I love all of the comments! And thank you for taking the time to leave them.

I agree that intervention is warranted. I also agree that I don't know the back story here, the efforts CPS made prior to removing the boy, and the response of the parents to CPS trying to help. I don't know the boy's associated health issues, although the mild "breathing trouble" that was stated in one article seems a little lame to me. My kids breathe heavy after running or playing tag, or during the first soccer game of the season - it feels like a stretch, but again I admit that I don't know the details.

There was a fabulous discussion in the comments on the original post of this on my blog and I would any thoughts about the additional feedback given in that discussion.

My main issue with the actions taken in this case is the precedent it sets. Using the same logic that was applied here, I can think of a Million ways parents could be at risk of having their kids taken away.

Not vaccinating them puts them at risk for future health issues or even immediate ones if they contract a disease.

Smoking anywhere near another person puts them at risk for health issues (personally I don't think anyone should smoke - but I don't want the government deciding when and when not).

Not forcing kids to wear knee pads and elbow pads (24 hrs a day) put them at risk for injuring themselves.

Basically not keeping our children in a bubble puts them at risk of injury of some kind. Is it ridiculous to make that argument? Yes. But the question I have is where is the line drawn between ridiculous and reasonable?

LucindaA 34 pts

Daria Giron Where is the line? That is exactly the question. But do we not do anything because of a precedent it *might* set when a kid is clearly in trouble? I understand what you are saying, but I have just as much trouble with inaction when action is obviously warranted. Maybe because I grew up in that grey area where lots of damage was done, even if there weren't any bruises.

I do think, however, in this situation it is more clear-cut than the other scenarios you mention. If a child has obesity-related health issues, he is being abused. It is measurable. There is science behind it. I'm not talking about being "at-risk" for medical concerns. I'm talking about having a medical condition and I'd bet money a child this overweight already has medical issues.

Daria Giron 9 pts

LucindaA I agree Lucinda. I definitely think this is a gray area. I also understand how MORBIDLY obese this boy is. LIke your son, my 7 year old is 85pounds. He is 95th percentile for height and 105 percentile for weights, so he's a little heavier that would be proportional for his height by average standards. And he is still 130 pounds lighter than this boy we're discussing. I can't even imagine how large he must be or how he could possibly get that large. My son doesn't have enough TIME to eat enough to get that big. Plus the normal child energy levels make it nearly impossible to ingest enough calories to gain that much weight.

I agree it is gray.

I would love to see more attention and ACTION given to improving the nutrition of our school lunches, of providing produce to inner city areas, of subsidizing free fruits & vegetables so people don't have to choose between paying $2 at Taco Bell for doritoes, a soda and a burrito versus $0.99 for just one cucumber or $1.99 for a red pepper.

Our nutritional system needs fixing for sure. No doubt about it. And I'm overweight - I need to make changes myself too.

Amanda_Magee 22 pts

I have to agree with the severity of his condition being beyond overweight. There comes a time when the well being of a child has to be protected. I think it's awful that there wasn't earlier intervention. This would be an uphill battle for a family who believes in and can afford a healthy diet, does this family have any hope of turning this around? I can only imagine the abuse this child has experienced by the mouths of classmates.

I don't know if I'd call childhood obesity a crime, but I do think it's a tragedy.

ZoesMomma 14 pts

According to the news story, this particular child was having breathing problems that were caused by his weight. And although he had successfully following the hospital's recommended treatment plan, recently they had begun missing appointments and he had started to gain back some of the weight that he had lost.

I don't know if it warrants CPS taking the child into custody, but I think having a morbidly obese 3rd grader does mean that you are not setting healthy limits for your child. It is our jobs as parents to teach children self-discipline and moderation, she loved him so much that she was trying to cure everything with food.

That's not healthy and could be considered abuse.

LucindaA 34 pts

At first blush, it's easy to agree with you. Until I actually looked at the article and saw the child was 218 lbs. My 8 year old son is 80 lbs and he is one of the larger kids in his class (I mean height and weight). You could take my weight and my son's weight together and still not reach 218 lbs. So this kid is beyond fat in my opinion.Did they overreach by taking him away? Probably. But would they be out of line by demanding his health be checked? No. This child is probably pre-diabetic at best. What about the conditions of his joint? What about his overall quality of life? Is he in pain from carrying too much weight? Can he walk without being out of breath? What burden has been put on his heart? These are very real, very immediate risks.

I know there are overweight adults with normal blood pressure, etc. and skinny adults with high cholesterol. But that doesn't change how unhealthy this child is. Intervening is a slippery slope, I agree. But somebody needs to say something if only to educate the parents and help them make better choices for their children.

mandajuice 5 pts

Oh come on. Really? You think that the ONLY health problems that stem from being an obese child occur 20 years later? I call BS.

Obese children are at an IMMEDIATE risk of diabetes, heart disease and even high blood pressure. Not to mention the psychological effects of being the fat kid, which can often mean they don't get to do simple things other kids get to do - like riding a bike, running on the playground, participating in group sports and even fitting into normal sized clothes.

I'm not sure I think obesity is necessarily a reason to pull a child from an otherwise safe and healthy home, but I actually do think it is abuse. Parents get to control what goes into their children's bodies. It's that simple. Childhood obesity is a PARENTING problem. If your 3rd grader weighs 218 pounds, you are an unfit parent.

I should note that I say this as a formerly obese mom who is trying to help her partner get full custody of his daughter right now because of this exact issue. Being an obese adult is hard enough on your self-esteem! No child should be subjected to this type of neglect.

adollopofmylife 6 pts

I think this case was pretty extreme. Not sure they crossed lines, but I think that all parents would probably say that the parents of the child (he was 218 pounds... as a 3rd grader that is not just FAT but MORBIDLY obese) are probably neglecting him in the fact that they are not helping him make good choices with his eating. I mean, it's not like a 3rd grader drives himself to McD's or buys the groceries for the family. I think some type of intervention should have been done, but not sure he should have been removed from his home.

Call Her Happy 9 pts

Hmmm. This really got me thinking. I wish I had an answer to this question. My immediate response is that it is terrible to put a child through something like that for that reason. Perhaps it would be more appropriate if obesity was listed as A reason for CPS to intervene, not the ONLY reason? This is a tough one.

Jenna

callherhappy.com

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matersum
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blogher Hm. I don't know. Everything is a case by case. But we can ask: are underweight children's parents guilty of child abuse too?

HAEScoach
HAEScoach

blogher you can't tell if child abuse is occurring by the size of a child! It's an insult to those who are and have suffered this.