She's on record asking the congressmembers be investigated for "un American" acitivities and in context, she was implying that Obama was one of those that should be investigate. I'm tired of the bald-face ignorance shown during the campaign and don't think it should be tolerated.  Take her off the list and maybe we'll talk 

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I'm w/ Tracy on this one. No excuse for Bachmann's comments.

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It's unfortunate that a few seem to be willing to discount it based on the inclusion of one name, of a woman who did manage to become elected and did clarify the "objectionable" remarks. It was also disturbing to see the very insulting picture posted here until it was removed.

As a woman and as a Democrat, I hope that the women of the Republican party succeed, that they do take this opportunity to push forward and to be able to accomplish what we as Democrats have not been successful at, getting more women elected.

 If the true goal was supporting our gender it would naturally be logical that it would be realized that supporting diversity would mean supporting women of all political ideologies.

So thank you for a well written post.  

I too applaud any and all women who become candidates and serve our country at all levels of  in our Congress.  But having grown up in a small very Christian community in Indiana where un-Christian behavior was exhibited routinely and with a vengeance by those Christians to silence, and censor freedom of expression that does not meet undefined "community standards."   I get along fine with Mennonites, Amish, Quakers, and other peacefully oriented congregations of other denominations and people whose main reason for interaction with me is not to attempt to "convert me." This is especially ironic as I am a Christian (complete with the baptism - full submersion - and everything) and do not need any "conversion."

The best thing IMHO, lol, for Republican women to do is to distance themselves from any linkage between Christianity and US Political processes.   Our country was founded, most wisely, on the separation of Church and State.  I will do everything possible to undermine the efforts of women of any belief system who attempt to turn my great and proud Representative Democracy into a theocracy.   Of course what we have now is a kleptocracy where the people and party in charge have looted the treasury, sold our future to China, marginalized and minimized the middle class, and allowed exec buddies to undermine U.S. economic stability, and called patriotic Americans who stood up for the Constitution by voicing opposition to the criminal behavior by the Executive and Judicial Branches to be terrorists, communists and/or "moonbats."   

I like your calm tone and reasoned arguments,  but the hatred that conservative Christians have displayed toward me and my CODEPINK sisters over the last 6+ years has made me forever suspicious of Christian Politics. The silence that the rational Christian community maintained during the high crimes and misdemeanors of the current administration as well as the creation of gestapo-like militaristic police forces and even the deployment of our own troops on our own soil to "maintain order" against our own citizens, and the arrest of journalists for reporting new on the street in St. Paul.   

Obama is being very civil and cautious, too much so in my opinion.   I will never forget the contempt shown to me by regular old middle class conservative Americans -- perhaps we didn't get to the point of being another Nazi Germany, but we were on that path and far closer to it than most folks realize.  

i will defend your right to free speech, freedom of assembly, and the right to have privacy in your own home and even in your private communications with every ounce of my strength, but I now know from personal experience that you will not do the same for me.  

This all makes me very, very sad.     But please do let us all know when Republican women start demanding that a smaller government stay out of personal lives of everyone  (women included) and also demand that the property rights and concerns of individual citizens take precedence over those of corporations.  

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I think Palin was a bit too daffy for most voters to stomach as their
VP. If McCain would have chosen Mitt Romney he might have had a chance.

Well I might be a bit biased since I was personally mentioned in it. Thank you for that that is so cool!

Nezt, this whole nonsense that American was born on the premise of the separation of church and state is ridiculous. In fact, all 56 signers of the Declaration professed some kind of faith. 27 alone were Episcopalian. The whole idea of separation of church and state was not to keep churches out of politics but to keep the state out of churches! The people who are always wanting to keep the church out of the political arena have no idea how this country was founded. If it wasn't for that dreaded "Christian theocracy" there would be no freedom for the secularists NOT to worship God. For this country was founded on the premise of people worshipping God as they saw fit. So if you saw fit not to worship God, then so be it, you did so at your own peril but it was your decision. 

In fact, the words separation of church and state are nowhere to be found in any of the three original, founding documents (Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, U.S. Constitution) they come from a letter from Thomas Jefferson in which he was talking about keeping the state out of church affairs not the other way around. It was a belief in God that propelled this country to skyrocketing success and influence the world over. A nation without God is a nation without morality and a nation without morality is dead. 

I usually  try to remain rational but it isn't easy when the people with whom I attempt to engage in conversation are not those who respond and those who do are new to the network  (you have been a member on Blogher for only a few hours from what I can tell.) It is even more difficult when an orthogonal attack is made in a rude and insulting manner.   My position is not nonsense.  It is not worthy of ridicule.  Had you wanted to discuss ideas and reach common understanding, I believe you would have addressed my concerns as mentioned about  the matter of trust and respect.   Instead you insult me and are, in deed, quite rude.   This supports my interactions with far too many Christians who assume a "holier than thou" attitude.  I was raised to respect other faiths.  Fortunately for the LDS others in your faith are not so rude, dismissive, and insulting.

Our founding documents leave church out of the discussion but assume faith.  Am I reading you right in that you assume that "The people who are always wanting to keep the church out of the political arena" are stupid and or ignorant?   I am neither.  I am a person of great faith who happens to view religion as a matter apart from how our governing bodies  were designed to work.   I will argue point for point and site case law with you if you wish, but I will not be silenced by insults and off the wall accusations.  I will not attack your intelligence nor will I imply that there is something wrong with your beliefs.   I just wish that my views would be treated with respect.  

Jefferson did publicly espouse in personal communications the clear separation of church and state that is implicit in our founding documents.   He also created what is referred to as "Jefferson's Bible" which contains only words that Jesus speaks in the New Testament books.  It is well worth studying what Jesus advocated.   Nowhere in those words with you find support for antagonism, insult, or rudeness.    

Our governmental structure was created so that no one Church (a corporate entity that has very little to do with religion or faith)  or family (as in a monarchy) could tyrannize the citizens of the United States.

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Instead you insult me and are, in deed, quite rude.

If you perceived me as being rude-tI can't change your opinion. I am sorry you feel that way. But I did not hurl epithets at you or call you names and I surely did not insult you. I simply stated that my piece.  

Next you end your piece by saying that the structure of our government was set up so that no one church could wield power over the people and that is true to certain extent. They didn't want a re-run of the Church of England in America. This is what the first amendment says: 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;  The focus here is on Congress, not the people, not the Church. Once again this was done to protect people from an overzealous government, not to protect the government. They wanted religion to flourish not be curtailed. 

 My point is simple the facts simply don't bare out that the America was not founded on the basis of Christianity. When you have the vast majority of the Founding Fathers professing to belong to some branch of the Christian church, how can you say it was a secularist nation? To me that makes no sense  and therefore I used the word nonsense. When you have 86% of the people today professing some branch of Christianity, how can you say it is not a Christian nation? 

In closing if anyone has been rude, dismissive and insulting it has been you. You have shown great contempt for a view that is not the shared by you. I never specified you didn't know about our country's founding but many people who run around spouting separation of church and state do not.  Especially those unhappy with the recent marriage amendment in California who want to take away our tax-exempt status for doing our civic and moral duty and speaking out on issues that would effect our Church as a whole. I have made no "off the wall accusations" towards you or anyone on this board. You just came out attacking me because I wouldn't just sit idly by and let you berate the faith of those who made this country great. 

Well I hope whatever is clearly hurting you and making you strike out like this heals itself and you can not feel so threatened by those who don't share your ideas. I will pray for you. May God keep you and bless you until then. 

It is impossible to have a conversation with a zealot.  Initial discussion topics are clouded by bringing up state specific issues and tangential points that are unrelated to the original discussion.  I valued and appreciated Mamalogues excellent post although I disagreed with aspects of it. I will not abuse this wonderful community by engaging in senseless argument.  The threat to this nation does not come from me.   I have expended great amounts of energy, time and money (and I have little money)  to work to guarantee our freedoms to speak and act according our own beliefs.

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I will never let up the pressure on anyone of any sex who insists on inserting his/her religious beliefs or the lack of them into the political process.  The moment they get a minimum of power they try to make you follow their ethic.  I am a Christian, but I find it immoral to force my ethic on others, and I am pragmatic enough to realize that if it works for Christians, it could equally work for other religious groups.

Most of the Conservative women and the platforms they support do exactly this.  I may be a cynic, but I think they are thrown this bone to take attention from other issues.

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This is a great list of women to watch in the GOP. Conservatism is neither dead nor irrelevant. In fact conservatism is now attractive in a whole new way.

Palin is much more accomplished than she has been given credit for by the liberal media; however, I think one of her greatest accomplishments was unintentional. She has inspired thousands of women to realise that certain things, the future of our country for one, are more important than our individual comfort levels.

Where we may have been afraid in the past of being labeled unintelligent bible thumping bread bakers, many of us have finally realized bearing that inaccurate label is a small price compared to what we will be faced with if our government continues down the 'me first,' 'me too,' 'truth is relative' path we've been traveling down.

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