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I have to admit: when I first saw that 20/20 is going to feature a documentary on orgasm during childbirth, I rolled my eyes. Waaaay back in my head. I mean, really: women face enough pressure to 'do birth right' - it's supposed to be a magical, life-affirming experience wherein any discomfort is offset by the sheer joy of bringing new life into the world, and wherein that thin sheen of sweat across the new mama's brow (duly being dabbed away by attentive partner and/or sweet, grandmotherly midwife) casts an angelic glow over her earnest face, which is never, ever contorted in pain - without adding the expectation that they should find the physical experience pleasurable. You know, in a get-your-groove-on kinda way.

My own birth stories are entirely anti-orgasmic. My first labor was 36 hours long, 24 of which hard labor; the second was a terrifying precipitous labor that very nearly ended in disaster and which ripped me stem to stern. Orgasm? Not unless I was starring in some variation of labor-snuff porn, which is to say, not bloody likely (pun intended.) Both labors, for me, were mind-bogglingly painful. If my husband had attempted to caress me - as one of the women in the film invites her husband to do during her labor - I would broken his hand, and very possibly other parts of his body. Granted, not every woman has this kind of experience, but I've yet to hear from a woman who didn't experience significant pain during labor. So my reaction to this story was oh, great. Another reason for women to feel as though they weren't good enough, that they didn't 'do' labor right, that they got it wrong somehow. And, also: what's an orgasm again?

Lisa Belkin of the NY Times parenting blog 'The Motherlode' says about “Orgasmic Birth” by Debra Pascali-Bonaro, that "some women will see this film as a declaration of emancipation from the medicalization of childbirth. Others will see it as yet one more way to raise expectations and make new mothers feel inadequate if they do not experience the “ideal” birth."

You can place me firmly in the latter camp. I'm all for women turning away from 'medicalized' childbirth (having undergone two labors that required medical intervention, I'm not one of them, but I do support any woman who prefers to keep the doctors away when giving birth), but by extolling childbirth as an experience that, if done correctly (and make no mistake, childbirth has to be 'done' a certain way in order to get that big O), can be pleasurable, it potentially sets women up for, at best, disappointment or, at worst, a rude and painful shock. (It's of a piece - not a perfectly comparable piece, but still - in my mind, with the issue of discomfort during breastfeeding - for some women (myself included), nursing is, at least initially, brutally painful, and the expectation fostered by well-meaning breastfeeding supporters that it should be pleasurable, and that if it hurts you are necessarily doing it wrong, can be profoundly discouraging and demoralizing.)

That said, Crunchy Domestic Goddess made me think twice when she said, at her blog, that she thought that the point of the documentary (and the ecstatic birth movement more generally) was to underscore the idea that "birth can be a good experience."

If that's the case, then I can support the idea, at least in principle. We should want to have 'good' birth experiences. Just so long as we understand that 'good' isn't necessarily going to look a certain way. So long as the baby comes out safely - and mom is healthy and happy at the end of it all - then it's a good birth, regardless of whether there was an orgasm or a tearing of the orgasm-experiencing parts.

Me, personally, though? I think that I'll stick to getting my orgasms the old-fashioned way.

 

Catherine, aka Her Bad Mother, blogs at - wait for it! - Her Bad Mother.

 

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willowlost 5 pts

I'm so pleased to see you share this. None of my birth experiences in and of themselves were great, but after my thrid child was born I experienced the most amazing orgasm! Everyone was busy doing their thing with my new babe, cleaning her up while I lay there unnoticed, wrapped in a heated blanket contemplating a job well finished. As I lay back it simply started to happen all of it's own accord! WOW! it just happened. Noone knew, and like you I kept it to myself for quite some time, although I sure didn't feel bad about having it occur. Honestly? Totally BEST orgasm I ever experienced in my life. Sad but true!

Why so many women feel the need to instantly deny another woman's experience simply because it hasn't happened to them is beyond me. Are we so in need of being the ones to have "the most, the best, the most unusual experiences" that denial of anything outside the realm of our own personal reality makes us feel empowered in some way? Better than the next woman?

I was very saddened for womankind in general to read many of the thoughts posted here that negate and belittle the experience of other women. How devastating some of those comments, accusing of lies and shams, must have felt to some others who were honest enough to share with the sisterhood.

Women are quick to jump all over something when society diminishes them in some way, yet when they do it to 'one of their own' they feel it is completely acceptable! No wonder things haven't "really come a long way Baby"

This thread of conversation actually makes me feel embarassed to be a woman!

So, thank you again for having the courage to set the record straight.

Delaine Moore 5 pts

Well Amy, there's an anomoly sitting above you on this post then!  LOL

Good for you FIdget!  I think that's fantastic and you don't have to apologize or feel freaky for it whatsoever.  I'm intrigued and a tadd envious!  That being said, I understand the embarassment/confusion  of when our bodies do something 'out of the ordinary' - like when I squirted during sex for the first time - I was HORRIFIED!  I felt like I'd bled from my period all over his sheets or something - we had to change the sheets twice AND cover the mattress with towels!  I mean I'd 'heard' of squirting before, but I'd always thought it sounded freaky.  Guess I'm now a part of that club:)

Women's bodies are amazing!

Amy3 5 pts

Amy3 of Milk Breath and Margaritas

Orgasm during labor?  Are they INSANE trying to push this off as some sort of ideal scenario? I would rip the head off anyone who said that to my face.

I had 3 good labors.  Long, but manageable.  (I nearly died of hemmorage after that third kid, but not the point - the labor was just fine.)  But to think of even my easy labors as anything close to a sexually gratifying experience is jacked up.  It's more the relief of a good poop - gross but sorry.  Childbirth is sorta gross and a relief and then beautiful and all that stuff too.

This just flies in the face of reason.  If a woman or two has had this experience, well bully for her and I call it an anonomly. 

Cause it is! 

fidget 5 pts

 My first birth was a horrifying marathon of pain and scariness. I expected my second one to go at least a little better. It did.. it went comparitively fantastic.

My second child was eager to arrive though and she pretty much rocketed through the birth canal. During her escape, I had an orgasm. It went like this

HOLY %&^& BLINDING PAIN BLINDING PAIN BLINDING PAIN HOLY %^*%& WHOA WHOA WHOOOOOOOAAAA!!!! *me blushes, looks around room wide eyed and hopes no one noticed* OH MY GOD PAIN! and sploosh she's here. 

Having an orgaism during birth was completely disconcerting. i had never heard of it occuring and felt like a total freak. I did not mention it to ANYONE for 2 years. After I saw a small news article on it, I fessed up to my husband and then started asking my friends about it... no one else had such an occurance.

I dont know if it had to do with the speed of her exit, the angle, or whatever. I have since had 2 more natural births and I'm sad to say no other birthing orgasms.  Well I guess there is always hope for next time

Fidget

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loraleechoate 5 pts

Seriously, this makes me want to cry in frustration.

Surprisingly, my frustration is not about the aspect of having more pressure during labor and delivery (even though I am pregnant).

It's the pressure of the Big O that is screaming at me right now.

Jesus, I just barely got the hang of HAVING them AT ALL and suffered years of feeling totally inadequate and now you are are telling me that there are women having them during LABOR?

Proabably WWWWAAAAYYYY TMI, but I am hormonal, this has been an "Owie" topic for me and the combination makes me incapable of shutting up at the moment.

(and this is not a slam at all to anyone. It was a really well written, thoughtful and insightful post. I just feel like a total loser right now. Yay.)

Delaine Moore 5 pts

I think how our bodies give birth is largely dependant on the relationship we have with our bodies/our Selves long before labor ever begins.

We all KNOW that there is no separating a woman's body, mind and spirit.  We KNOW that her body is an extension of who SHE is, and that it wears her pain, her joy, her beliefs and her fears.  But make no mistake: we live in a culture that has programmed us to doubt, despise and undermine our bodies - we are taught to focus on the outside architecture instead of cultivating and nurturing the Woman within the flesh and bones.  In my eyes, our percepetion and experiences during birth perfectly examplify how our Feminine power, our glorious rite as co-creators, have been stripped from us. 

Ladies, in no way should birth be about comparing ourselves to each other and 'measuring up.'  This is about us finding our own personal power and truth through life experiences and big life transitions such as birth/ motherhood.  'Competition' and judgment must be removed from the process - that only serves to damage us individually AND collectively.

conversemomma 5 pts

There is so much expectation with mothering. It begins the moment we get that positive. For me, I wanted to be pregnant for years, but kept having miscarriages. When I finally carried my daughter to term, pregnancy was ruined because of my constant fear. Although, I feel fortunate to have been through the birth process, I lament that I set it up to be something magical, and then sank into dissapointment when it did not go the way I had planned all those years. I remember my daughter being put on my chest and just feeling nothing but terrible anxiety. I just wanted to sleep, but I forced myself to play the role of adoring mother for the nurses and the doctor who stood around staring. I wiped away a tear that wasn't there and told my girl I was her Momma. The reality is that I was happy when they took her away. It was just hard. And, it was hard for months after. In hindsight, I realize that I had post-partum. Anyway, I think the whole "expecting an orgasm" is just another way that women are sold the lie. Yes, birth is beautiful.  My children are my whole world and I feel lucky to have birthed one of them. But it does not always feel beautiful at the time you are sitting there with your legs spread. I hope no women sets herself up for this type of failure or dissapointment, but hell more power to the women that achieves the baby and the big O!

Peace,

Kelly

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Midwest Lesbian 5 pts

Okay....I haven't actually had children myself....not yet anyways....but in no way do I expect it to be such an experience that it will be of orgasmic proportions!  If anything I expect it to be hugely on the opposite side of the spectrum of an orgasm.  I think that emotionally it will be a wonderful day assuming that baby and myself will turn out all okay....other than that I have already warned my wife to stay far, far away from me during that time, or she might end up with massively crushed fingers! :-)  That's just me though I guess! 

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be"

Delaine Moore 5 pts

I saw a woman having an 'orgasmic birth' on the video Birth As We Know It (which is a FANTASTIC video btw) and I scoffed wide-eyed at the whole thing too.

I didn't think of it whatsoever as an experience I needed to 'measure up to.'  I saw it as a beautiful, diametrically opposed example of birth verses what is commonly portrayed on TV: the screaming, the hysterics, the 'oh my God get this out of me' vision that scares the bejeesus out of women.  I think we've become so accustomed to negative portrayals of birth that we go into our own full of fear and mistrustful of our own bodies. 

I don't think a lot of women know their bodies, whether they're giving birth, having sex, or just on a day-in-day out basis.  Our bodies are constantly sending us messages, but we constantly ignore them or neglect them.  Look at the stats around G-spot orgasms - approximately 80% of women don't have them.  Jeepers, if we can't have them during sex, how in the hell would it seem phathomable to have them during childbirth?

I don't know if this has ANY correlation to my third birth - the only one which was natural - but shortly thereafter, at age 37, I became G-spot orgasmic.  Was it because of my natural birth?  Did it shake something loose in my uterus or help me go deeper into my body?  I don't know....but maybe - something changed in me on that empowering day.  

I don't think orgasmic birth portayals are designed to make us feel inadequate.  I, instead, choose to be fascinated by the marvellous mystery of women's bodies - let's celebrate them!

AmberS 5 pts

I had two fairly short and easy labours, attended by midwives.  After both I felt less than empowered.  I felt overwhelmed and tired and like I'd been through a very difficult experience.  And I felt sort of guilty about that - like I should feel only positive and triumphant.  So I share your concern. Birth experiences are highly personal, and not everyone will love it, let alone be orgasmic.

On the other hand, there is value to alternative voices.  As long as we're clear that there is no single right way to bear children, and we're not making women feel guilty or somehow 'less-than'.

~ Amber

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Colormepink 5 pts

While I will always support other women to have the kind of whatever, however they choose to have it; it's very hard for me to believe that anyone here is telling the truth.  I'm not being facetious, and I'm certainly not trying to cause trouble, but it is unfathomable to me that anyone could possibly have a pleasant child birth experience, much less, orgasm during childbirth.

If there are, in fact women who have experienced this, God bless 'em.  But I'm more of a mind that they're faking it in the delivery room too.

Christine
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Michellesamom 5 pts

I needed that laugh... "labour-snuff porn"!!!

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