Of Sex, PTA Politics and Mommy-guilt: Got a question for Julia Louis-Dreyfus?



Friday, March 9, 2007

Hi everyone,

Help. I'm being haunted by June Cleaver. And today she seems so smug, I want to cry.

Why? Because six years after I swore off jobs that require business travel, today is my first of eight nights away from my ten-year-old son and six-year-old stepson. Yes, for work.

The kids are in heaven. After all, as I keep reminding myself, they're with blood relatives. But still--my skin crawls with guilt. Like somehow I'm letting my love of work edge out my mightier priority: Motherhood.

That's why I cannot wait to sit down and have a little on-camera stitch-and-bitch with two of television entertainment's working moms: Actor Julia Louis-Dreyfus and CBS executive producer/writer Kari Lizer.

At 7 p.m. on Monday, March 19, I'm going to corner Louis-Dreyfus and Lizer in a Burbank, California studio, demand outright a list of the hair products Julia uses, and ask them any questions we parentbloggers can think of -- about their work, their lives and the show they created based on Lizer's own divorce at age 40: The New Adventures of Old Christine.

So you tell me: What should we ask? It's a rich opportunity:

  • Both women have kids.
  • Both work like hell (Louis-Dreyfus is hosting Saturday Night Live again on March 17).
  • Both have been there, done that, when it comes to working in male-dominated fields.
  • And Lizer has a special spot in my heart because, for the first time since Murphy Brown, Ann Romano or even Shirley Partridge, she has brought issues like nanny guilt, co-parenting with your ex, and dating parents into our living rooms. (As Liz Gumbinner of Mom-101 writes, "I love that the show was created by Kari Lizer, a phenomenally smart and accomplished working mother, even more impressive considering the Tailhook-like gauntlet she must have walked to get there. And I like that the main character of Old Christine is a career mom herself, and an imperfect one at that. (Know any of those?)...")
  • I'm just the scribe -- please add your question in the comments below, and I'll credit you and your blog if the conversation on March 19 goes in the direction of your question.

    They're primed for the questions: A couple of weeks ago, when CBS offered BlogHer press passes to "Christine," I jumped at the chance to get LA mommybloggers into one of the few prime-time shows starring and executive-produced by women. I contacted Elaine from Wannabehippie, Lorien Silverleaf of The Soccer Mom Vote and Y of Joy Unexpected.

    What did the bloggers learn? "I was somehow astonished to hear that these beautiful, talented and famous women would have some of the same parenting issues as us little people," blogged Elaine. "Duh."

    Not duh -- dumb that so many women have to reinvent the mothering wheel themselves. But that's the show's charm, inside and out, to the cast it appears. When Y asked Louis-Dreyfus what she wanted Y's readers to know about "Christine," Louis-Dreyfus said:

    "The idea itself and the point of view is a fresh one...and I know I'm in it and everything but still that .. is in fact actually why I signed up to do it to begin with. I don't feel as if I've seen it before and that's a huge relief because I really can't really say that about most anything else on TV. Except for a few shows that I like but I'm not going to promote them right now!" Watch the video here

    What do you think -- is she right?

    Since I'm both Old Christine and New Christine (an ex-wife and a new love interest w/stepkids), I've watched the show on YouTube non-stop. In so many ways, Christine is everymutha. She may be divorced, but she's any mom who's ever tried to balance her own interests with the needs of her little one and felt guilty for trying. As Leslie Morgan Steiner, author of The Mommy Wars, blogged this week: "Feeling good about yourself as a mother, whether you're working in or outside your house, is a pathetically difficult task in America today..."

    I agree. Perhaps that's why, in my favorite bit from a previous season that you would never see anywhere else on television, Christine complains to her brother about "Angela," an imaginary nanny that she worries she might have to hire someday. Here's how I remember the exchange:

    CHRISTINE'S BROTHER: "She's a nice girl!"
    CHRISTINE: "Mmmm, I don't trust her."
    BROTHER: "There is no Angela, right?"
    CHRISTINE: "Right..."

    I know I've been there, hell I'm there today, torn between doing a good job at home and doing a good job at work. Of course, since Old Christine is divorced, and her ex is involved with New Christine, her boy is her world. Which isn't always a good thing, of course, and Christine is both the most believable and least likable when her insecurities show.

    And that is just fine -- divorced parenting is an on-air rarity and can make for hi-larious viewing as Christine survives stiletto jabs from the other mothers at her son's school and occasionally tries get laid. Producer/writer Lizer even gets some good sympathetic bits in for New Christine, like the time she accidentally shows up in Old Christine's nightie, thinking it's a gift her man was hiding in their luggage.

    "Note to self," I thought. "Shirley Partridge taught you never to get a shag. But Old Christine has reminded you to burn negligees from your former life."

    Of course, Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character has a lot more sex (check BlogHer Sex & Relationships editor Liz Rizzo on that), designer clothing, good-looking male teachers and niceties with the ex than my single parenting days afforded. But that's TV -- and I'd rather have some help laughing at motherhood to make up for tearing up every time the airplane takes off.

    But is that okay? Is it okay to laugh at some of this stuff rather than cry? Is this enough of a boot-heel on the neck of June Cleaver and her creators? What episode would YOU write?

    I'm going to ask for a steel-cage match between Julia-nee-Christine and June.

    Think they'll go for it? Comments are open here...

    Best,
    Lisa

    Lisa Stone is a BlogHer Co-Founder. Her personal blog is Surfette.

    Photo credit: I'm giving June Cleaver the bird by Magically Mama.

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    Lisa Stone
    BlogHer Co-founder
    Surfette

     

    Always ready with the questions

    At last, someone WANTS my questions...

    Which part of childcare (eating dinner together, giving a bath, putting to
    bed, eating breakfast, taking to school) do you prioritize highest when
    you're pressed for time?

    Do you have any personal rituals you do with your child to remind them
    you're always thinking of them?

    Do you ever daydream about having a commitment-less life? What brings you
    back to reality?

    What is the one lesson you hope your children learn from you?

    Surrender, Dorothy - When I was your age, we just let them ride in the back window.

     

    These are *great* Dorothy

    I love the last two -- especially this week. Thank you!

    Lisa Stone
    BlogHer Co-founder
    Surfette

     

    questions for the hotties

    here you go:
    I want to know how they manage the age old question of balancing work with being a mom?
    do they bring their kids on set, or to work with them?
    do their kids play sports- and if so, do they go to their games, etc?
    what is the one thing they feel most guilty about- and how do they muddle through it?
    and i guess more importantly... would they change anything in their lives (in regards to working and mommying)? and if so, what, how and why?

     

    Jennster, these are great questions

    The last two are particularly tough for me, I know that. Thanks mucho!

    Lisa Stone
    BlogHer Co-founder
    Surfette

     

    I guess what I'm curious

    I guess what I'm curious about is whether it takes money to be a working mom with time to get really involved in her kids' lives. I'm thinking of my sister, a single mom in a low-paying, long-hours job who has to put her daughter in before-school and after-school care programs. By the time my sis and niece get home, it's 7 p.m. with barely enough time for dinner & homework before they have to crash in anticipation of another early day. I know my sister gets frustrated that she doesn't get to do fun stuff with her daughter, can't take time off work to go to school events, seems always to be in drill-sergeant mode hurrying her along...

    Is there a difference between the kind of quality time a higher-paid working mom can have with her children? More scheduling flexibility? Can afford help with housework, so has more time to have fun with the kids? And is there any way to improve the situation for low-income working mothers?

    These are the questions I think about as I gratefully spend my days at home with my five children, homeschooling them, delighting in the time we have together. We're a modest-income family ourselves, and there are seven of us in a three-bedroom 1800 sq ft house, but we have this huge luxury of time together and it's awesome. And I wish my sister, who lives far away, could have it too.

    Sassafrassa

     

    I know my answer Sassafrassa

    ...and that answer is yes, it does take money. Great question.

    Sounds to me like your sister's best support right now is you -- her own compassionate, loving, nonjudgmental family. (On the show, Christine leans a lot on her brother.)

    My family has always done the same for me, and I am so grateful. The only other relief I found in my leanest years was other parents. I found other women who worked with children my son's age and we became on-call parents for each others' kids. If I had to work late or even overnight, they took my children. And I always had their back. It saves enormous amounts of time and money and stress because you know your child is loved and the other parents are motivated by the same goal: Help.

    What this doesn't do, however, is provide the kind of long-term support infrustructure that working mothers need, especially moms working at or around minimum wage. That's when we need to come together in a different way as parents. Specifically, we need action. Check out MomsRising (http://momsrising.org/aboutmomsrising), an organization that isn't affiliated with any political party and advocates for parents.

    Lisa Stone
    BlogHer Co-founder
    Surfette

     

    Aviva and Devra wanna know...

    Parentopia.net/blogHas Christine (or Julia Louis-Dreyfus) read our book "Mommy Guilt"? Aviva and I are absolving guilt...One mommy at a time.

     

    Thanks ya'll!

     

    Do I really have to limit myself on
    questions? I'll try.

    1) For Kari: I have to bring up the "Meanie Moms" being a Mom who has truly suffered from PTA Meanie Moms as the Christine character does and am probably blackballed on some master PTA list as Not Working Well With Meanie Moms, I have to applaud how right on you got these women and their incredible knack for making other Moms feel less than and not worthy. They are certainly not exclusive to private schools! Did you base these women on any personal experiences or the experiences others shared with you? If not, I have to commend you for getting them down to perfection. Have you ever thought about just once having "old Christine" being put in a situation where her situation makes them look less than and incompetent? (Trust me. Victims of meanie moms everywhere will be cheering and high-fiving their televisions.)

    2) For Julia: Since your boys were born during your Seinfeld days, do they see your fame as "just Mom's job" or do they care that you are someone famous that many woman (and men) admire? And have you ever been tempted to remind them that "I am not just your underwear washer and house cleaner, but I am FAMOUS and there are actually people who admire, respect and want to KNOW me?!" More importantly, since one of them is a teen, would he laugh in your face if you said that to him?

    And Julia, please tell me your teenage son rolls his eyes at you, too! Please. ;-)

    3) Finally, for both women: Bringing children up in Hollywood (especially as you enter the teen years), how do you keep them grounded and maintain a balance of normalcy in a town that is far from normal?

    ~Jenn~
    Blacklisted by the PTA Meanie Moms for 8 years and counting... Mommy Needs Coffee (and a bit of sanity!)

     

    Howling over the visual of Julia L-D's kids
    rolling their eyes..

    *Fantastic* questions Jenn! Ah, the meanie moms. It would be truly for Christine to get the upper hand. Just ONCE...Thank you so much.

    Lisa Stone
    BlogHer Co-founder
    Surfette