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Let's not gloss over it -- when Dominique Browning got let go from Conde Nast, she was in a better position than most of us. She didn't have much debt. She owned two houses. She had investments. She had options that meant that she was able to take the time to get back on her feet. That's a luxury that most of us don't have.

Browning was also smart. As she discusses in Slow Love, she didn't live beyond her means. When the time, came she made the pretty smart decision to sell the house that would have cost her the most in upkeep. She was undeniably in a privileged position, but she also made some smart money decisions.

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The loss of income ... it's the kind of thing that keeps me up at night. I think about the things we need to have -- shelter, heat, food, Internet. I know, you think I'm joking about that last one, but with our jobs, both current and potential, the Internet is not a luxury but a necessity. I think about how we could spend less. I think of the things I've bought that I did not "need." I think about budgets and plans and so many things as I watch the moon move across the sky.

We don't really have a plan. I mean, we have one but we don't. It's not all written down on paper with numbers and stuff. That seems too ... real. Too scary. It would feel as though we were inviting it to happen. But we've been down this path before. We both worked in high tech. We've watched tech giants, corporations that really were too big to fail, go bankrupt. We've been through lay-offs, both as the people getting laid off and the people making the decisions about who goes. One of us is in a position that invites more "what ifs" than the other, and we're more prepared for that scenario ... but are you ever really prepared?

I know I can't be the only one that thinks about this. Not in these ... what is the term that is currently in vogue? Right. Not in these "uncertain economic times." Do you worry about this, too? Do you have a plan?

BlogHer Book Club Host Karen Ballum also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

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kbojar 6 pts

I wondered if given all the suffering of the millions of unemployed Americans, I could muster any sympathy for a very affluent woman who had lost her dream job. My answer is a qualified yes. Despite Brown’s class blinders, her engaging writing style drew me in.

Kathy Benson 5 pts

As I said in my reply to another comment below, I would like to be able to say that my husband and I have 2 or even 6 months salary socked away "just in case." But having recently stretched to move into a new and bigger home, we are "house poor." Our goal ASAP is to start saving more again, but its hard when our new place needs a lot of work and attention now. I guess it is an investment in the equity of our house, but that doesn't pay for our kids to go to college or for our retirement fund.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

Kathy Benson I hear you. There are things we need to do to our house. They aren't... vital but they are important. Our entire upper level still needs baseboards for example. We need to start saving for bathroom updates (sorely needed) and new windows. We're struggling between debt, house upgrades and savings. A little bit here, a little bit there... but not nearly as much as we'd like anywhere.

caitlin.m.burch 5 pts

We're big Dave Ramsey fans, so we've followed his advice about having six months of expenses saved in an emergency fund. It gives us so much peace of mind.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

caitlin.m.burch I can imagine it is. :) And you just reminded me that I want to add the new Wealthy Barber book to my library request list. (He's kind of my Dave Ramsey -- it was the first financial planning book that really made sense to me.)

Kathy Benson 5 pts

sassymonkey Is is first name really Wealthy? Now I need to Google Dave Ramsey and Wealthy Barber. :)

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

Kathy Benson giggle. No. It's Dave Chilton. The Wealthy Barber is the name of the book and how I think of him.

Kathy Benson 5 pts

caitlin.m.burch Who is Dave Ramsey? I should probably find out, as that sounds like good advice. Awhile back my parents bought my husband and me Jane Bryant Quinn's "Making the Most of Your Money Now" book, which they said is their "Money Bible." I would like to be able to say that we have that much socked away "just in case." But having recently stretched to move into a new and bigger home, we are "house poor."

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

Kathy Benson I went through a phase where I read a lot of personal finance books. Most of them say, more or less, the same thing but you'll find that you may like one person's approach more than the other. The ones that talked about cutting out daily expenses for me didn't work so well because I worked at home and didn't do any of those daily things like buy coffee and buy lunch. You'll find one that works for you. :)

lynnbraz 5 pts

I lost my lucrative print editorial job in 2010. Having had that comfortable job for nearly 20 years, I never bothered to become particularly Internet savvy. When my job was discontinued, I was a dinosaur—a dinosaur who lived beyond her means. My solution: living abroad. I sold much of what I owned, put what I couldn't part with in storage and headed to India. Then Bali. At age 50, I'm basically starting over, trying to figure out how to earn a living as a writer or what career change to make. In the meantime, my current client base affords me a comfortable life in Southeast Asia. It's not an ideal plan. But it's my plan.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

lynnbraz That is a big change!

Kathy Benson 5 pts

lynnbraz Wow! Sounds like a wonderful and interesting adventure! Best wishes to you! :)

TW 12 pts

No plan here, which we really should have...but I tend to be (actually both of us) a land on our feet sort. No, not every job has been a step up or a dream job but we have learned in any case.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

TW I've learned from all my jobs, sometimes I think especially the ones I hated.

Kathy Benson 5 pts

TW I agree w/ you and Karen, I have also learned from every job I have had, even the ones that I didn't love and may not have been the best fit for me or the organization I was working for.

AdrienneRoyer 6 pts

I've been laid off twice since 2009. The first time caught me unaware. The second time, I could see the signs and started chunking money into savings. By the grace of God, I landed jobs each time within a month of losing my previous position.

After finally finding a job that seems to have stability for a state government agency, I'm looking at ways to provide for an uncertain future. Unfortunately, I'm at the odd point of trying to decide between buying a house right away with minimal savings, or postponing it to the new year given a new round of layoffs and even worse upcoming economic news for Q3.

Since December 2009, when I was under the impression that I would never face unemployment, I've made huge financial changes. I don't spend as much, try to live on a cash system (some months it works. Other months it's a dismal failure), and put money into savings. I've also paid off my car and made a dent in my credit card debt. I make mistakes and overspend still, but my behavior has gotten tremendously better.

All the financial gurus warn you to have six months of living expenses built up. That may sound impossible, but look at your finances. In the event of losing your job, all the extras -- even your $15 Netflix subscription -- get cut off. It is possible to save up enough money to cover your bills for this period of time.

In order to do this, I've made sacrifices that mostly hurt my pride. After losing my job the second time, I moved back to my hometown (with the more stable job), and decided to temporarily live at my parents house. While I'm still paying them rent and paying to store my stuff, it's 1/3 of what I was paying in DC. That extra money is going into savings and towards paying off debt.. In five months, I've built up about three months of savings and paid off two credit cards.

My mom and I also started couponing right after I lost my job the first time. This has cut down our grocery and personal care bills by at least 50%. We've also slowly built up a six month stockpile. (We're not hoarding!)

Just this morning, a Wall Street Journal story mentioned that 14% of MIllenials are living at home with their parents because of the economy. I'm thankful I had that safety net through my family. Because of their generosity in letting me come back home, I'm slowly building a better foundation for myself.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

AdrienneRoyer It sounds like you've done a great job of cutting expenses and saving!

Six months of savings doesn't sound impossible but it does sound difficult. Our travel expenses have been high this year but they've all be business related. It's something we're hoping to cut down on next year.

I knew that you were couponing but I didn't realize you had cut down your grocery expenses by that much. Go you!

crunchyvtmommy 7 pts

We definitely have a plan: save, save, save. Also diversify investments. My husband will work for a corporation while I run a family business. We both used to work for the same company but then realized that is not a good position to be in if that industry takes a nose dive. Planning is especially important since we have two small kids.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

crunchyvtmommy When I met my now husband we both worked at the same company. It feels more secure now that we both work in different locations (neither of which is that original company, by the way).

FrugalBeautiful 6 pts

I hope my reply isn't over simplistic or naive - but I think that's why I started blogging. I'm in graduate school right now and have seen plenty of people graduate with a bachelor's and now a master's degree with no long term job prospects. I started blogging originally as an outlet to process what was going on in my life as a mid 20-something with a lot to consider on the brink of economic uncertainty.

What I have discovered though, is that blogging is more than a therapeutic tool- it helps me think ahead. It's gotten my life kicked into high gear, to connect with others, to build networks, to better understand the changing social landscape and to build a foundation of skills, contacts and ideas that could possibly be useful while seeking employment (or starting my own venture in the future)..

My plan isn't concrete, but I've been living on a very very limited income for a few years now while I go through school- but I'm taking this lull in the economy and the little freedom I do have before graduating with my MA degree to really evaluate, plan and sift through the junk before I start back up in the work force.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

FrugalBeautiful I don't think that's simplistic or naive at all. I think that's smart. We can reach out to way more people when we blog than we can in our immediate circles.

I remember the limited student income. My first few years post-university were almost as tight but a bit easier to plan for since I knew exactly when I'd be getting money and how much.

showmyface 5 pts

I was fortunate enough to be in a position to "can" myself last Fall. I had been in the same position for almost 10 years and I was miserable. It came to a point where I had to choose between the job and my grad school and school won. It was only possible because my husband and I have made solid financial choices over the years that meant my income could be given up for awhile. I think Dominique's issue was less about money though and more about her emotions. That's less tangible but still an area to consider when making your plan.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

showmyface I agree that Dominique's situation was more emotional than financial. I think that most of us though, would struggle with both at the same time.

How's grad school going?

Karla Elaine 5 pts

I ended up not working for a few months in between jobs one time and it really hurt our family financially. I was amazed how long it took us to catch back up after losing only three months of my pay. It was a real wake up call for us to re-evaluate the way we were living and spending. Our family has learned to save and to live much more simply since then.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

Karla Elaine Do you have any simple living tips for us?

Kathy Benson 5 pts

sassymonkey I would be interested in your tips as well, Karla. Please share.

StaceyC4 6 pts

We always lived paycheck to paycheck - my husband is a self-employed contractor - and not many people these days are doing home improvements. When I lost my job two years ago, I thought "No problem. I'll just get another job." I'm an intelligent, skilled woman and it took two years to find another job! Dominique's story made me a little angry because she really didn't struggle like most of us. Most people don't have a spare house to sell...

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

StaceyC4 I understand. It can be hard to read about someone who had lost of a job and is not struggling financially. That's why I wanted to discuss it because her situation is not possible for most of us.

Julie McGuire 6 pts

Been there bought the teeshirt. My husband and 2000 others lost their job three years ago with a top athletic company. Fortunately, he found another job fairly quickly, but at a much lesser salary. Two months ago, he was hired with another company and is slowly starting to make what we were used to. It hasn't been easy, especially with children starting college. But a good lesson in living BELOW your means. You just never now.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

Julie McGuire I've seen layoffs like that. It's so hard because not only are you out of a job but all the same people are trying to get the same jobs. It's tough.

Kathy Benson 5 pts

Julie McGuire I like the idea of learning to live not just "within our means," but "below," as you say. That said, it is so much easier said, then done. :)

dutchbeingme 5 pts

I definitely need to make some changes in my life after reading the book. Especially with the "not living outside of your means" area. That's one topic that struck me very deeply, because if something did happen to my job... I really don't know what I would do or where I would turn.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

dutchbeingme Yes. Oh my goodness yes. If I stop and think of how much money we'd be putting into savings if we didn't have debt... No. Can't think about it. It will make me weep.

Rita Arens 16 pts

One thing I'm taking away from Slow Love and Dominique's experience is that it's dangerous to let your personal identity get too wrapped up in your public identity, which could potentially be a danger for some bloggers. What would you do if your traffic suddenly disappeared?

EmSun 8 pts

Rita Arens I have traffic? ;)

Kathy Benson 5 pts

EmSun Ditto! :) Your comment maid me laugh out loud! :-)

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

Rita Arens What EmSun said. lol

Kathy Benson 5 pts

Rita Arens It does disturb me a bit when I am living my life and I find myself thinking, would this make a good tweet, Facebook SU and/or blog post... I know that is part of being a writer, but it is also a sign of being too self involved at times. :)

ramblingsofalovesickmommy 5 pts

I cannot imagine what we would do if we were to lost our jobs! We are working hard on paying off our remaining debt and building up a fully funded emergency fund. I'm SURE i will sleep better after it is nice and built up. I can't imagine what so many people in our country are dealing with right now losing their jobs and having no "2nd house" to sell.

p.s. loving this book ;)

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

ramblingsofalovesickmommy Same here. It's always the battle of whether to put the extra cash in savings (we need a better emergency fund) or to put it toward debt. It's like neither answer seems right or wrong and it drives me crazy.

I'm so glad you are enjoying the book.

A Crafty Escape 5 pts

Perhaps the only change I would make to the book would be to have her include more about the financial impact of the loss of her job. She mentions it here and there but it's not a prominent part of the story. When I got laid off after 9/11 the financial stress was one of the biggest factors for me.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

A Crafty Escape I think financial stress is huge for everyone. I do wonder, given her age, what it did to her retirement plans.

xoxoxoe 5 pts

I'm actually in the process of leaving a job right now (voluntarily, with a financial incentive) that I've had for 10+ years. I need to be with my mom and help care for her. I will finally get a chance and the time to pursue my freelance interests (writing), but I'm still nervous, too. I've been reading Slow Love and relating to a lot of the same issues as Browning. I want to slow down my life too, and speed up other things, like spending more time with my daughter and on my own work.

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

xoxoxoe Leaving is always scary. No matter how much we plan for it and how great our reasons are it's still Scary Town isn't it?

I hope it goes really well for you. :)

JennaHatfield 29 pts

Yes. And no.

We revisit this topic every time I make a career move, and so it's not like we've NEVER discussed them. And, man, it would be swell to have an extra house to sell if it came down to it. But we've gone through rough times before and survived, so I have to believe we would be okay if something BIGGER happened.

(This is really what my post was about regarding the book because it struck me how I wish the book would have been around any time I made a big career move. I would have felt less.. alone? I guess is what I feel.)

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

JennaHatfield I think that losing a job can be very isolating, especially if you are someone who really builds a life around work. You financial, social and emotional security = gone. Not all of the trauma with job loss is financial.

dancingnancy1 5 pts

this book is so relevant right now, and it was so interesting to see it from someone with options and cushiness. obviously that's a more desirable position to be in if you're going to lose your job, but either way, a job lost is a job lost. messes with the way you view yourself. a great book to read right now!

sassymonkey 78 pts moderator

dancingnancy1 It does. I'll kind of be addressing that, a little bit, in a future discussion post.

tiaras-and-trucks 13 pts

dancingnancy1 I think that's a good point. I talked about it a little in my review. No matter what the financial impact is, I think the emotional impact is just as great, even if you can afford to be off work for a little. In fact, there are times it might be more damaging, because at times (not always, obviously) hyper-successful people base more of their self worth on their career status.

janssen.everyday@gmail.com 5 pts

These are SCARY issues. And it seems that no one is immune. And we have GOT to get a will going. . .