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Were You a Disobedient Girl?

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Margaret Dilloway's How to Be an American Housewife starts with Shoko declaring "I had always been a disobedient girl." The second part of the book, told from Shoko's daughter Sue's perspective, starts with Sue's declaration, "I had always been an obedient girl." It made me wonder, am I disobedient? Or am I obedient?

Shoko was disobedient when she defied her nanny -- a good thing as she was trying to kidnap her and her brother. Her disobedience saved them. Shoko, by her own admission, wasn't a fool. She knew when she absolutely had to listen and when she didn't. She wasn't going to just blindly agree to everything. She wasn't willing to do what she was told when she felt it was wrong or somehow not in her best interests.

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Sue simply wanted her mother to love her. Shoko did, but she didn't always show it easily. Sue tried hard to do things just as well or as better than her mother expected her to. She tried so hard to be good. If she were good, everyone would be happy. She'd be happy. Maybe.

Was I obedient? The answer probably depends on who you ask. My teachers would tell you that I was obedient ... except for those times I wouldn't stop reading a book in class. My step-father, if he were still alive, would probably tell you I wasn't. My mother would probably say it would depend on what you were asking me to do.

If you ask me, I'd say I was more Shoko than Sue. I wasn't exactly disobedient, I was defiant. I choose not to pay attention to things that didn't serve what I considered to be my best interests. Also like Shoko, I wasn't a fool. I knew there were lines and I toed them closely in class. I sought to defy other's expectations of me. I had higher goals for my life than they had for me. I like to think that I succeeded.

Were you a disobedient girl like Shoko? Or obedient like Sue?

BlogHer Book Club Host Karen Ballum also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

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Just_Margaret 8 pts

When I was young, I was just a good girl. As I got older and in High School, I learned how to retain the appearance of being a good girl, but I actually got away with a lot without getting caught/in trouble.

kristendom 5 pts

Just_Margaret That's totally the way I was. I couldn't give up my "good girl" appearance, but I wanted to live a little more :-).

Not Like a Cat 6 pts

I was very obedient because it had been drilled into me early that I was to do what I was supposed to do. Also, I went to Catholic school, where obedience was further drilled into us. I don't mean that my parents were particularly fierce or stern, but my mother made it clear from the get-go that we were to obey her will and do what was expected of us.

In fifth grade, I was going to approach a book report assignment in an unusual, creative way, but when I'd gotten partway through I knew that such an approach wouldn't be permitted, so I scrapped it. I should have just turned the damn thing in and never looked back; I wish I'd been that kind of person.

a new song 5 pts

I was an obedient girl on the outside, but on the inside I didn't want to be obedient -- I just wanted to do what was expected of me. Classic oldest child!!!

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

a new song Looking through the comments I don't think you are along on that.

naturallyalise 5 pts

I was a Sue on the surface, but very Shoko in the shadows. Definitely a dual personality!

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

naturallyalise Sue and Shoko were really quite a bit a like. Maybe less dual personality and more different aspects of the same one?

awonderingspirit 6 pts

I was most definitely a Sue. I never wanted to make any waves or make anyone dislike me.

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

awonderingspirit Are you still a Sue?

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

KarenLynnn lol Karen, yes you are. ;-)

lainierenee 14 pts

I was very disobedient. I got kicked out of Honors classes, and thrown into detention a lot. But, at the same time I never tried drugs or alcohol and I didn't chase boys or anything. I was more about railing against the oppressive system. I read a lot of Gloria Steinem and bell hooks.

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

lainierenee "I read a lot of Gloria Steinem and bell hooks." That totally made me giggle.

connieangela 5 pts

I was obedient on the surface but what my parent's didn't know didn't hurt them. Now...I'm a rule follower and wouldn't dream of being disobedient.

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

connieangela Not even a teeny bit disobedient?

jthornton306 7 pts

I went back and forth as far as obedience went over my childhood - I lashed out against my mother at times because I wasn't handling their divorce well. When I was older, I was much more "obedient" ... I'm not a "by the book" rules sort of girl, I suppose! In that sense, I guess you'd say I am more of a rebel!

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

jthornton306 Heh. I like rebels. ;-)

kristendom 5 pts

I would say I'm very similar to you - I was very obedient in school - always trying to do my best. And even at home...most of the time. Well, at least until I got to be a teenager. Then, I think my parents would probably tell you that I appeared to be obedient. I say that because I think they probably had a better idea of what I was doing behind their backs than I thought they did...and let me get away with it. Maybe it was because it was the same sort of stuff they did as teenagers, maybe they figured I was due for some rebellion after such an obedient childhood.

I think of myself as more disobedient now than I really was - probably because of my independent spirit. Interesting to think about now...

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

kristendom It's interesting to think about the line between disobedience and independence. Sometimes in order to become individuals we need to break away from what other people expect of us. Hmmm....

kristendom 5 pts

sassymonkey Absolutely agreed - I think that in seeking independence, you have to do some things that go against what your parents or others want you to do. Sometimes you can even earn more respect and independence by doing that. (And sometimes you just piss them off :-).

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

GaelMc What if I asked you? How would you classify yourself?

BShallue 8 pts

Oh, tough question. Depends on my age. Overall, I was obedient, but I had a stubborn streak like Shoko and usually got my own way. Maybe I should ask my mother... (Is it wrong to hope I'm more like Shoko?)

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

BShallue Not wrong at all! But... don't you think that Sue and Shoko were actually more alike than they thought they were? I felt like Sue was just a bit of a late bloomer on the disobedience front. ;)

TW 21 pts

I was rather obedient. My mother would tell you I was, at least. I was quiet. I didn't do homework. I tricked my sister into doing chores. I did all sorts of things that I suppose were disobedient, but not in the way that disappointed my mother really.

Ok, middle school there might have been some serious disobedience.

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

TW Tricking your sister into doing chores -- I was usually the sibling getting tricked into it.

TW 21 pts

sassymonkey Ok, mine involves convincing my sister I was God to tell her to do my chores, while I did some important errand for God.

heather.mcconnaughy@gmail.com 5 pts

I tried to be obedient. Sometimes I succeeded. Sometimes I didn't. I knew which rules could be bent or broken. I pushed the limits whenever and whenever I could when I was a teenager. Sometimes I paid for it dearly.

If I could do it over again I don't think I would want to, but I wouldn't do anything different either.

What I did made me who I am today and I am okay with that.

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

heather.mcconnaughy@gmail.com I think pushing the limits is part of the normal teenage experience. If we don't push them, how do we really know where they are?

cdrdash 33 pts

No, I was not a disobedient child at all. Perhaps it was because I grew up in a home where Mom and Dad would say there is a reason behind every rule and would change the rule if we could show a fault in their reasoning. I never did find fault with their reasons so happily obeyed the rules.

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

cdrdash Hmm that is interesting. Your parents kind of taught you to challenge their authority in a logical manner and were willing to change if you had a valid disagreement. Smart. Interesting.

kateri27 8 pts

Like you it completely depends on who you ask. I would say I was definately obient with caution. Is that possible?

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

kateri27 So you were obedient except maybe when you thought you wouldn't get caught in an act of disobedience? ;)

JennaHatfield 64 pts

Uh, I don't know.

It depends. I knew how to please people, what they wanted to hear. And I wasn't BAD even when I wasn't overly obedient. I fell somewhere in the middle, as most people do.

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

JennaHatfield Does disobedient automatically equal bad though?

HonestAndTruly 7 pts

I am probably closer to Shoko than Sue, but ... I was very much a rule follower, so long as I understood the purpose of the rules. I would hope that like Shoko I would have bit the hand of the nanny and run with my little brother, but ... I was also sometimes naive, so who knows!

That said, there are definitely things from my teen years that it's best my parents don't know - that hearing stories from my friends... I was still a VERY well behaved child! :)

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

HonestAndTruly I think most of us feel that there are things in our teen years (erm... and college years) that our parents don't know.

Kath_Stewart 6 pts

sassymonkey HonestAndTruly I was like thus too. An obedient youngster but a secretly bad teen. My mother claims to know but trust me she has no idea. But I did make it thru unscathed and that is what matters!

EmSun 10 pts

I am far more like Shoko than I am like Sue. I am belligerent, stubborn, hard-headed, disobedient, opinionated, hard to get along with, and a rather large pain in the ass. Like Shoko, I sometimes feel very solitary and isolated. But, it was very telling that Sue felt the same way... Perhaps that's just part of the human condition.

I like who I am and I'm glad that Shoko didn't suffer fools gladly.

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

EmSun It was very telling that Sue felt the same way. I really don't think that she and Shoko, at their core, were all that different.

Indigo 6 pts

I absolutely LOVED this book! As for who am I more like, I'm not sure. I definitely made things happen like Shoko did, sometimes I was disobedient, but I only got into trouble when I was caught. ;)

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

Indigo "but I only got into trouble when I was caught." - So how often were you NOT caught? ;-)

Kath_Stewart 6 pts

sassymonkey Indigo ha! That is the question, isn't it...

Denise 253 pts moderator

I'm loving these answers because it's making me think more about words like disobedience/obedience, defiant, and rebellion -- traits I tend to find positive rather than negative.

I think I'm a choose your disobedience, defiance, rebellion wisely kind of person.

I was all of those and am now wondering when I chose wisely and when I did not.

Denise

sassymonkey 168 pts moderator

Denise It does make you think. I really don't think I was a disobedient kid, nor do I think my mother would really say that. At the same time, I'm pretty sure if you ask she if I was obedient she'd snort.

I absolutely had moments of rebellion and I can totally be defiant.

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Jodi Reinman
Jodi Reinman

No, just a rebellious adult. : )

Vicky Cianci
Vicky Cianci

No but I am curious to read what constitute disobedience

Carpool Goddess
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Let's just say, I'm soooo glad I don't have a child like me!

Laurie White
Laurie White

As much as I possibly could be, and can. :)