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What Does Forgiveness Look Like?

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I thought a lot about forgiveness while reading Margaret Dilloway's How to Be an American Housewife. What does it mean to forgive? Have I ever sought it the way the characters have? Is there someone in my past that I have not forgiven?

Forgiveness is a skill that, like cleanliness, should be learned early and practiced often. Whether it be forgiving the war, or forgiving your husband when he neglects to show up for dinner, you should bend like a willow tree in a fierce storm. p. 161

In How to Be an American Housewife Shoko is looking for forgiveness. She's looking at it from herself. She's looking for it from Taro, which is a tall order as he considers forgiveness a weakness. She's looking for forgiveness from (or for?) Ronin. Possibly even from Sue and from Mike and Charlie. And Sue... I still haven't decided if she's looking for forgiveness for not being everything she thought her mother wanted to be or if she was simply looking for acceptance.

 

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According to Merriam-Webster, to forgive is "to give up resentment of or claim to requital for" or "to cease to feel resentment against (an offender)." But what does that really mean? What does it look like?

I'm not sure. I'm not sure that I'm a particularly forgiving person. I know that I accept things. I accept that things have happened and that people have said things and that I've done things and said things. But do I forgive these things? That's a harder question and I'm not sure I have the answer. I don't believe that I am like Taro and consider forgiveness to be a weakness. I think the ability to forgive is often a strength. Where's the line between forgiveness and acceptance?

Are you a forgiving person? What does forgiveness look like?

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EmSun 10 pts

I am not a forgiving person. I'm a you-get-one-chance-so-don't-blow-it person.

TW 24 pts

I tend to forgive over much I think most people would say. I just can't hold something against someone for very long. Each day is a new day for someone. I may brood a bit, vent, snark, and growl, but in the end, you get another chance. I know some in my life think I am entirely too forgiving.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

TW "I may brood a bit, vent, snark, and growl..." sometimes this is where I get stuck.

lifeneedsedits 6 pts

There's quote by Maya Angelou that I love and consider a lot when thinking about forgiveness and whether someone deserves it. "When someone shows you who they are, believe them."

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

lifeneedsedits I know that quote. It's a favorite of mine.

TexasRhea 7 pts

Sometimes people say they forgive someone, and I don't understand how they can do it? But, I do believe if you can, it's for the best, for peace of mind and body.

That being said, I'm struggling with my feelings about things certain people have done to me...who have also done lots of wonderful things for me as well. And I realized maybe it's more of a tally? Does the list of good outweigh the bad? I'll admit, this is an uncertain area for me.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

TexasRhea Is it a tally or a balance? Are these people enriching your life or tearing it down? Good people can sometimes do crappy things. But sometimes it's not so good people doing nice things to make them look like good people.

Wow. That sounds like a riddle gone bad, doesn't it?

Indigo 7 pts

I'm not nearly as forgiving as I probably should me. I'll accept an apology, but there are something things that are just unforgiveable.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

Indigo Just because someone apologizes doesn't mean that they get invited back in my life with open arms. It is good to hear though.

Florinda 5 pts

Having been raised Catholic, I find forgiveness is tied up with the concept of penance for me, especially when it comes to things that I feel I need to be forgiven FOR. I feel like I need to do something to atone (something more concrete than saying an Act of Contrition and two Hail Marys).

Perhaps I feel that way about what other people do too, come to think of it. As you said here, I can "accept" many actions from others without necessarily forgiving them. And I think there's something to "forgive and forget;" if you can't forget, and truly move past something that was done to you, can you really forgive it? I'm not sure, but I've realized that a lack of forgiveness on my part colors my behavior toward a few people in my life--but maybe they haven't done their penance yet.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

Florinda "if you can't forget, and truly move past something that was done to you, can you really forgive it?" I think you've hit on something there. Everything that we do and that happens to us shapes who we are. If we are supposed to forget those things...what does that do to us as individuals.

(My, aren't we getting all deep and philosophical? lol)

kristendom 5 pts

I will usually forgive once- but a second time, you stand very little chance of getting my forgiveness. I tend to have a hard time letting someone back in once they've betrayed my trust, but I also recognize that when it's unintentional, it makes sense to hear that person and let them back in. But only once.

lifeneedsedits 6 pts

I like the one time rule. It's a good one -- allows for exceptions, but also puts up a firm personal boundary.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

kristendom That makes perfect sense to me. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

HonestAndTruly 7 pts

I know I'm not a good forgiver. I'll forget. And I'll accept, but true forgiveness is often a struggle for me. Or it is at least until I'm in someone else's shoes and do the "ohhhhhh" and completely change and rethink my attitude. Again. It's definitely something I focus on, and I find I do better with forgiveness if I talk about the issue with the person rather than bottling it up and just "forgiving" on my own.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

HonestAndTruly I can see that, assuming the other person is willing to talk.

A Crafty Escape 7 pts

I am a very forgiving person... it's the forgetting I have a problem with. I can hold a grudge- ask my husband.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

A Crafty Escape "ask my husband" ha! That made me laugh.

MomsperimentsMom 6 pts

@Sassymonkey - Fascinating post. Forgiving is one of the most freeing things to do - and one of the hardest. It's interesting how willing we are to keep ourselves tightly wrapped in the bonds of anger, resentment and hurt.

I do think there are some wrongs that can't be forgiven, but so many more can be, hard as it is to do so - and I'm as guilty as anyone of holding on to grudges.

One of the most powerful stories I've ever edited was from a woman who found it within herself to confront and forgive the drunk driver who killed her sister. It was a long process, but at the end, she felt it was what her sister would have wanted.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

MomsperimentsMom Grudges are hard things aren't they? I know we shouldn't hold them but sometimes it feels... safer?

Forever 17 114 pts

This is a tough one for sure. Forgiveness, forgetting and acceptance are all separate issues to me. People are so comfortable throwing around the words "I'm sorry" and expect forgiveness. To me forgiveness is Love and you face what has been done, maybe never understanding the reason but coming to peace with the fact that it happened and there is no way to change it. Forgetting is close to impossible, it happened and nothing can change that.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

Forever 17 Saying I'm sorry doesn't make the hurt go away. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't.

allicatcook 5 pts

I think forgiving and forgetting are often confused. To me they are not connected. To me, forgiving someone means deciding within yourself to let go of the anger associated with the wrong. Forgiveness is something that you have to decide on for yourself. However, forgiving someone doesn't necessarily mean you have to forget what happened and act like it never existed. Often both parties can learn from the incident and make things better.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

allicatcook I don't know if it's that they are confused or if it's assumed that if you forgive then you must forget and vice versa.

lovelifeproject 5 pts

I think that I'm a very forgiving person. When I'm upset, I tend to burn bright and fast. I don't hold a grudge. That said, I also grew up in a cheerful, loving home, so I was dealt a very different hand from - for instance - Sue. I think that Sue wanted to be accepted by her mom. At some point, she just stopped trying. I think that might have been the saddest part of the book for me. As for the difference between forgiveness and acceptance...I think that forgiveness is about an act, and acceptance is about a person. I also think that you can have one without the other.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

lovelifeproject "I think that forgiveness is about an act, and acceptance is about a person." Oh. That is smart. Very, very smart.

Just_Margaret 8 pts

I don't really forget, but I can forgive. We're all human, and we all have things we wish we didn't do/say etc. I'm not saying forgiving is *easy* for me--it's not, and it took me years to process some things about which I was ultimately able to forgive. However, in retrospect, I can tell you that I feel more settled as a person for doing so. But forget? Not if it really cut me to the core.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

Just_Margaret Sometimes I wonder if the old adage of "forgive and forget" has really messed with our idea of what it means to forgive.

demandablue 12 pts

I think forgiving and accepting are both strengths. It's not easy to accept things in people. That's how they hurt us over and over. It's only when we accept them for what they are that their behavior stops affecting us.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

demandablue Or when we remove ourselves from the situation. I feel like sometimes forgiveness is best served at a distance...

naturallyalise 5 pts

I am a forgiving person probably to a fault. I believe that people are inherently good. Forgiveness looks like acknowledging that all people make mistakes and are worthy of a second chance

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

naturallyalise Ah but sometimes you've already given someone a second chance. And a third. And a fourth...

One Frugal Girl 6 pts

I am an extremely forgiving person. Though I am a forgive but not forget type. If I've been burned by someone I certainly think twice about putting myself in a position to get burned again. However, having said that, I realize that everyone is human and makes mistakes in life, so I tend to forgive quickly. After all none of us are perfect.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

One Frugal Girl Nope, none of us is perfect.

BShallue 8 pts

I'm with you - there's forgiveness and there's acceptance. Sometimes one leads to another and sometimes they're all tangled up together. But they aren't exactly the same.

I had an old boyfriend who was really not good to me or for me. I eventually forgave him and before he died we had even become friends, but I would never have entered into the same kind of relationship with him, even if I wasn't married to someone else. Even though I had forgiven him, my eyes were finally open to certain character traits about him. I accepted them and they didn't keep us from being friends, but I had learned my lesson.

On the other hand, a group of my best friends in high school ousted me with no explanation from their group, which hurt a lot! Gradually, I became friends with them again and now (40 years later) consider them some of my dearest friends. I accept that their actions were driven by immaturity and I can see past that to the wonderful women they've become.

So, yes, I think I'm a forgiving person.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

BShallue Teenagers can be such buttheads. lol I'm glad you were able to work it out with your high school friends later in life. :)

jthornton306 7 pts

I struggle with this ... I'm not going to lie or sugar coat that. I hold emotions rather sacred and when I'm hurt, I hurt hard.

I don't forgive easily.

I can't find enough in my to forgive my biological father for absence in my life. For emotional abuse. I just can't And believe me, I've tried. I've tried making ammends and being the better person about a hundred and fifty one times, all to only have him hurt me again and leave me feeling like an idiot, alone, wondering why I ever tried.

I hope I find peace with this pain someday. But forgive? I don't think so. I can't say that it will happen.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

jthornton306 What would finding peace look like to you? I'm intrigued by this idea of finding peace with the pain without forgiving it.

jthornton306 7 pts

sassymonkey I think finding peace would be being okay with the fact that my father chose not to be in my life. Peace would be the feeling of being okay with it, instead of feeling a knife turn in my heart everytime I thought about it or was faced with that reality.

Forgiveness, to me, is seperate. I want to come to peace with myself where I can be okay with him not being here. But forgiving him is something else. I will not be okay that he made that choice. But I can hopefully find peace with myself to not hurt.

MOMOF3CHAOS 6 pts

I'm a forgiving person... to an extent. There some things that are, to me, unforgivable. Though I'm not sure if I can't forgive or I can't let go of it. Is there a difference? If you can't let it go have you really forgiven?

jthornton306 7 pts

MOMOF3CHAOS I have to agree. No matter how hard I try to forgive, I can't accept it and I can't let it go.

To forgive I think, is in part to accept. To say "I'm okay with what you did." In NO WAY am I okay with some things that others have done. Not a chance.

If you forgive, you have let it go. If you are still holding onto it, you haven't truly forgiven.

& the truth? I don' think that makes anyone a bad person, if they can't forgive someone for an act that they cannot accept. It make them real. Human.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

jthornton306MOMOF3CHAOS Personally, I don't think it makes that you are ok with. I think accepting that something happens means that you acknowledge that it has happened. I don't think it means you agree, necessarily. Sometimes it might, but I don't think always.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

MOMOF3CHAOS "If you can't let it go have you really forgiven?" That is an excellent question. I don't know.

littlemeaggs 5 pts

I believe I'm a forgiving person, but I never forget. I know no one is perfect and don't hold any one to those type of standards, but I have been hurt many time in my life that have forced me to put up walls with certain people. To me, forgiveness is understanding someone made a mistake and hoping/praying that they can learn from that mistake. I strive to me a more forgiving person every day because I want others to be able to forgive me in the future if the need arises.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

littlemeaggs I, too, am not so much on the forgetting.

texactor 5 pts

Forgive, but don't forget -- that is totally me. I have trust issues because of years of dealing with a mentally unstable sister. To protect myself, I never really forget. Once someone has "burned" me, I will always remember. It's my way of adding an extra layer of skin between myself and the hurt.

radiantone7 6 pts

I am both a forgiving person and a non-forgiving person. I find that I often forgive those who I love and am close to. It may take a little while (just a few hours or at most a few days), but I quickly forgive them. I think this is because I am around them so much and constantly reminded of the good in those people. Once there is forgiveness things quickly return to normal. Those I don’t forgive, I’m not nearly as close to and thus don’t see all the good that out weights the act or words which should be forgiven. This is definitely something I need to work on.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

radiantone7 I think it's something we all need to work on. :)

connieangela 5 pts

I know that I'm not a forgiving person. After being hurt over and over by the same people...you guard your heart.

But for the sake of my children...I'm trying to be more forgiving.

sassymonkey 196 pts moderator

connieangela It's hard. It's really, really hard.