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Boys vs. Girls: Arguing Gender Equality in the Goodwill Line

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So we’re at the checkout line in the Goodwill this weekend and I’m chatting with a couple people behind me and somehow we get on the topic of girl versus boy children. (Oh right, they told me they raised four boys and I said, “I think I’d shoot myself,” and they said, “we considered it,” and then we laughed.) Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my little man, but he drives me around the bend sometimes.

Boy and Girl Hummel FigurinesWe chatted about the differences between boys and girls, the way a girl at five seems so oddly capable of just doing a task (even a complicated one, like putting socks on without first throwing them across the room a few times, or sitting in a chair without tipping it backwards or otherwise flailing around). The lady behind the counter agreed, having mothered five boys. Then this blonde woman behind us, who we didn’t exactly invite into our little discussion I might add, gets all condescending and pipes up: “You know, I don’t think it’s a boy/girl thing. It’s just a person thing. It’s just an individual personality difference -- it has nothing to do with being male or female. I raised a boy who is so sensitive and gentle. It’s just a human difference.”

She’s impressed with herself.

I’m less impressed, and I feel like saying, “Look, bitch, don’t play the gender equality social justice card with me. I’ve read more Judith Butler and bell hooks and studied more queer and feminist theory than your sorry ass could fathom, so if you really want to throw down some identity politics right here in the Goodwill check-out line, I’m in, you out-of-touch wannabe intellectual shit-head. Otherwise, shut the hell up and let me and the toothless worker lady banter in peace.”

But I kept that inside.

For the good of all mankind, I’m perfecting that skill.

Just to clarify, I haven’t read that much queer or feminist theory. But I’ve read enough to intellectually bitch-slap somebody dumb enough to think the Goodwill store is a good time to question gender construction. Plus, when people treat me like an empty vessel into which they shall altruistically pour their enlightened parenting skills, I get defensive and self-righteous with an overwhelming urge to retaliate irrationally. (That’s what happens when you’re mature and well-adjusted.)

But really the bottom line is this: theory is theory and real life is real life. I want to believe that there is no difference between male and female, that my son and daughter function in exactly the same way with the same instinct, mental approach, etc. But when you have a son suddenly chewing his pretzels into the shape of a gun, you begin to wonder. I mean I can’t blatantly deny what’s in front of me. That would be wrong. There are 12-step groups for that kind of behavior.

Of course I agree that there are no across-the-board, unwavering gender identities inherent in either sex, nor do I believe that there is a “right” way to be a “man” or a “woman.” Rocket went through a phase where he loved to wear Ava’s princess dresses -- he’d parade around proudly in pink ruffles, a hard hat and cowboy boots. Loved it. And I took the same women’s studies class that Captain Justice took, you know, the one where the professor explains that gender roles are social constructs of the male hierarchy with no basis in reality and there’s no such thing as mother’s intuition (that one kinda hurt my feelings) and there are no inherent differences between the sexes. And I believed that for a long time. But then I got married (um, different blog post) and I had kids. And I’m not sure I believe that anymore.

Because in my experience, there is a HUGE STARTLING difference between Ava and Rocket, even though I tried to give them gender neutral toys and raise them the same way. And while it could be just personality differences, my experience seems to be shared with lots of other parents, who have experienced similar phenomena in their families. I do however have a huge problem with the idea of excusing rude or thoughtless or physically rough behavior because “boys will be boys” or overly dramatic, silly behavior because “girls will be girls.” Lame. Not cool. Period.

Anyway, I’m sure there are exceptions -- boys who don’t place their penises in

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Submommy 8 pts

I have a "mixed pack" as I like to call them (Girl, then Boy) and they seem to fall along conventional theory about gender. Boy punches random things, throws random things, yells & screams, etc.

Girl cries easier, went through the Princess stage in preschool, plays with dolls and does their hair, etc. These traits just seem to trend toward the genders.

Because this woman got the boy who goes against the gender grain, means that's true FOR HER. Not necessarily for the whole wide world.

Myopia is unflattering when it comes to social studies.

Momma Jorje 6 pts

OMG Love it! I've raised a few girls and people have "warned" me about boys - like I can't see their little hellions right in front of me. Now I'm finally pregnant with a boy and I have always kind of hoped that MY boy would somehow be different... and I'm sure he will, but he'll still be a boy. I do agree the difference is not allowing rude behavior and writing it off as "boys will be boys."

Awesome article, terribly funny!

Ashleigh Burroughs 10 pts

I never believed in the immutability of the human character until I had children and found trucks with names and bonnets in the stroller and anatomically correct boy dolls discarded because "this is stupid". We try, that's all we can do. And if someone needs to insert Soc 101 on the Goodwill line, that's her issue.... We know we're right!

a/b

Karen T. Smith 6 pts

I blogged or posted about sock-putting-on when I was folding laundry one day and realized I could toss my daughter's socks into her pile even if they were inside-out, and be confident that she would rightside-in them before putting them on. My son's? Unless I wanted him wearing inside-out socks, I had to rightside-in them myself. He's 2+ years OLDER than his sister! It's not a motor skills problem! It's not a fixation with fashion (she was only about 5 at the time. Not yet obsessed with clothing, which she is only mildly obsessed with.)

People, yes, but we are DIFFERENT DOWN TO THE CHROMOSOMAL LEVEL -- I think people forget that. We share similarities, genders do, but we are different. And yes, parenting my two requires DIFFERENT skills -- things I don't think of as "boy" skills and "girl" skills, I just do different things with my two very different children because that's what the situation requires. But yet I am also surprised and interested in how those differences tend to fall along classically defined gender boundaries.

But I think the thing that resonated best with me about your post is the desire to just TALK to people without worrying about judgment. For crying out loud, I feel like I can't open my mouth these days without someone offering unsolicited advice about something or worrying that I'm not being "green" enough or not being "pc" enough or some other such nonsense. As you point out, we need the opportunity to just BE HUMANS with each other. Today's society makes that really difficult...

LucindaA 9 pts

Karen T. Smith That's exactly what I was going to say. Men and women are biologically different. Different hormones, brain chemistry, chromosomes. Since all that affects how we perceive the world and how we act, then YES, boys and girls are different. Of course there are social constructs that get in the way but to assert that there are no differences is just as silly as going to the other extreme.

Denise 71 pts moderator

I agree that there are inherent differences in gender, otherwise those who are transgendered would probably not KNOW that they were transgendered... but, I also believe that our kids are touched by societal stereotypes in so many more ways than we can even begin to count or notice on a daily basis.

Unless the world suddenly changes in a very significant way, there's no way that I can rule out societal influence in the shaping of our children's personalities.

labuenavida 6 pts

I took that same gender studies class in college, and also really wanted to believe it. But like you, upon having kids of my own, I'm not so sure. I really do think that gender does shape some of the behavior of our kiddos.

Besides, since when does gender equality mean that the genders have to be exactly the same? Can't the genders share equality and worth while also being fundamentally different?

Polish Mama on the Prairie 8 pts

I'm going to play devil's advocate and maybe think that she is sick of the "boys will be boys aka violent" and "girls will be girls aka ditsey and mindlessly obsessed with pretty" dribble that society pours down our throats daily?

I love the fact that you also pointed out that you don't believe that stuff. I like to think that kids are equal, but let's face it, my girls will talk faster, potty train faster, learn to tie their shoes faster than a boy. And they will be more likely to stop learning math and science as much as a boy because of social pressure by age 7. It's a documented fact. It's been studied. There are countless books about it.

And in Goodwill, well, I've heard weirder conversations but still... Chuckle and move on, people! lol

Btw, I would have laughed and said "Wow, glad I had girls!" ;)

JennaHatfield 25 pts

Things I agree with you on: The blonde was nosy. Gender has some shaping factors into who we are.

But that's where it stops for me. And, in fact, caused me to write a piece of my own regarding how watching my oldest son interact with his sister -- who was adopted as a newborn and is being raised by her parents 7 hours from us with whom we have contact and visits -- really provides a good rebuttal. Or not. Because this is one of those issues that has so many shades of not just gray, but amazing, beautiful colors.

http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2011/09/07/...

lizinprogress 6 pts

I love this so much. SO MUCH. I have boy/girl twins, and obviously they've been in the same environment with the same mother for their entire four years. But you had me at the sock-putting-on. They're just plain different.