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The Canadian Election Leadership Debates: Double your languages, double your fun

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Whew. It's been a tiring few evenings here in Canada as we had not one but two leadership debates this week. Wednesday evening saw us sitting around the television listening to the Canadian Leadership French debate, or more correctly for a lot of people, listening to translators translate the French leadership debate. Thursday night was the English Leadership debate. What were people watching for in the debates? The new roundtable format, how Elizabeth May would do in her first debates, what the leaders were going to say about the economy and of course reasons to vote for any of them.

The Players:
Even though Canada has more than dozen federally registered parties there are only five represented in the debates. In order to participate in the debates the party must have at least one elected member. The Green Party almost didn't make it but a sitting independent affliated themselves with the Green Party shortly before the election was called. Even then, the party had to fight it's way into the debates.


  • Gilles Duceppe - leader of the Bloc Québécois. The Bloc is left, runs candidates only in Quebec, and its platform is largely focused on Quebec sovereignty.
  • Stéphane Dion - leader of the Liberal Party. The Liberal party is left and historically power bounces back between them and the Conservatives. This is Dion's first election as Liberal leader.
  • Jack Layton - leader of the NDP. The NDP party is left (are you seeing a trend here?) and has never held power in Canada although they have been gaining in popularity over the past decade.
  • Elizabeth May - leader of the Green Party. The Green Party again is left, and May is the only female leader in the debate. The Green Party has no elected seats and has the most to gain from the debates.
  • Stephen Harper - leader of the Conservative Party. The Conseratives are the lone right-leaning party in the debates and are the party that currently hold power in Canada with a minority government. They are hoping to gain a majority.

The French Debate:
This was the first experience with the new debate format. Gone are the podiums of yesteryear and instead we have a big table with a maple leaf in the middle. Five leaders, one moderator and as many translators all talking over one another left me feeling dizzy and with a headache by the end of two hours. At times it felt more like a tempermental family dinner than a debate. Because the debate was in French there was a lot of focus on Quebec and Duceppe was in his element. Dion debated with more confidence in French than English and Harper and Layton did their best to out French the other. Leading into the debate we were warned that May's French abilities were still a work in progress but I think she exceeded most peoples expectations. Susanna Ng who blogs at Chinese in Vancouver was impressed by May and thought that Dion seemed confident and assertive and that Harper didn't seem to have much fight in him.

The English Debate:
I found myself warming up the roundtable format. I think it's easier to follow when listening to the person's actual voice rather than the translators (although getting translators that didn't all sound the same might help). Harper, Layton and May all seemed, understandably, more comfortable debating in English, Dion a bit less so. Layton got in a few good jabs at both Dion and Harper.

The person who perhaps was under the most scrutiny was Elizabeth May - would she be able to convince voters that the Green Party is not a one issue party? She seems to have done a good job. A number of bloggers are giving her kudos. YappaDingDing gave props to Elizabeth May saying that she nailed every issue. Michelle's a Mom says that May proved herself at the debate table.

At the end of the day, Elizabeth May is the clear winner in my mind. She's smart, she knows her stuff, she's well prepared and she's more than just a one trick pony.

Perhaps one of the most honest moments of the night was when the leaders were asked what the first thing they'd do if elected Prime Minister. Gilles Duceppe, whose party runs only in Quebec, said point blank that he would not be elected Prime Minister. Since the party runs only in Quebec the most votes they could ever win would be 75, the most they have won is 54. That's not to say they aren't

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laurie 5 pts

I like the political compass, as an alternative to the left/right distinction.

Here's a link: 

http://blog.thismagazine.ca/archives/2008/09/a_com...

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laurie 5 pts

Layton had a hernia fixed at the Shouldice clinic, which is a private clinic that pre-dates medicare. It is, however, 100% covered by OHIP.

Perhaps he felt that this jab was - ahem - below the belt.

Sorry, couldn't resist....;-)

Duceppe represents enough people to deserve a seat at the table, IMHO. And I laughed when he said that three other people around the debate table weren't going to be Prime Minister, either.

I think Elizabeth May is slightly (more than slightly) batty, but she stole the debate (again, IMHO).

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Crunchy Carpets 5 pts

today and VOTED yah 

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Michellesamom 5 pts

I wasn't sure about the format... and to be honest, I'm still undecided. Something in me likes the formality of the podium at a debate. At the same time, it seems to me to be truly Canadian to have a round table format instead of the podium. These parties will all have to work together (hopefully) to make Canada work, so it's interesting to see the leaders sit down and talk.

As for the US debate, I would have liked to have seen it. What happens there will have a huge effect on the world, but especially on us as Canadians, as a major trading partner and as a neighbour. Also, I admit, it's entertainment. I wanted to see what Tina Fey would be doing next weekend... 

sassymonkey 6 pts

I think that having so many people at the table helps with the realness. You can't prepare totally scripted answers when you have 4 people plus the moderator coming at you at once.

Maybe it's because I lived in Quebec but I think the Bloc totally deserve a seat at the table. They have more seats in the House of Commons than the NDP. If they dropped the sovereignty platform I think they'd do well across Canada (not ever going to happen but I understand their appeal within Quebec). I'm trying to remember if it was in the French of English debate but they actually have a "Buy Canada" mandate within the party, which I thought was interesting given that it's the Bloc.

I agree that May did well. But (and I'm sure someone will slam me for this) I think it's easier when you don't have a history in Parliament. She could go after the others for actions they've done but they couldn't go after her party because they haven't had a seat in the HOC yet. That being said, she was very well prepared and I think she did a great job.

Just my opinion but I think Dion did better in the French debate. He sounds more commanding in his mother tongue.

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sassymonkey 6 pts

"Why bother checking on the neighbours if you don't even know (or care) what's going on in your own home."

I'm going to be very surprised if there's a majority. I don't think that there are any issues that are divisive enough to ensure anyone a majority. So then the question becomes if there is another minority how long will it last? This past one was the longest in Canadian history.

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Crunchy Carpets 5 pts

but what he calls disfunctional just means he has to work harder at proving the 'right' of his policies to the other parties and the people. 

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Crunchy Carpets 5 pts

one to be far more lively and ...'real'...it was a real discussion between the leaders.

I didn't catch the French one though.

I was surprised that the Ipsos Reid poll put Harper ahead in the debate....I thought May and Dion did really well.  I thought May was amazing at retaining facts and figures and was chucking proof and facts to back up all her statements.

She never sounded caught out.

I was imperssed with Dion....he did very good at convincing us that he was leading a 'new' Liberal party and trying to leave behind the corruption and arrogance of jerks like Cretien and his crew.

Layton to me sounded like a leader for the first time.   But he was left speechless at the jab about him using a private clinic.  OUCH.

Harper looked cold and bored ...but this is how he looks all the time.  I don't think he did much to defend his parties policies though.

Duceppe is a great speaker..but a party that exists for only one province should NOT even be allowed to sit there.  It is deplorable. 

The US debate..didn't seem like a debate at all.  Neither of them really answered the questions put to them.

Obviously Palin was told to keep to a set script and she did that well..but again...no real honest answers...I don't think Biden did much better.

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Motherbumper 5 pts

Why bother checking on the neighbours if you don't even know (or care) what's going on in your own home.  I'll admit I didn't make time to watch the debates (no time for tv this week - even the important stuff) and only did a quick catch up the next days.  I'm glad that May held her own but I sense we might be just heading to another minority gov't.