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I never thought I could feel such hostility towards a bunch a kids as I did the other day when we visited Santa's Village amusement park.  There was a Park District group in attendance.  The children all wore green shirts.   The place was pretty empty, so the lines were moving fairly quickly.

Until the Green Shirts descended.

Over and over, a Green Shirt would cut in line and then turn to convince other Green Shirts to join him.

The first couple of times, I gave the kids a pass. They had such sweet innocent faces, perhaps they were just confused over line etiquette?  I was with Joey while my husband took the older boys on scarier rides.  But soon, it became apparent that I was on my way to a state of righteous indignation.  With each unchecked line transgression, the whole pack of Green Shirts felt emboldened to continue their reign of terror on the unsuspecting line-abiding parents of Santa's Village. By the time I met up with Joe, my blood was boiling.

September 26, 2009Joe, too, had noticed the unruly Green Shirts but figured he just had the misfortune of standing behind an isolated few bad apples.  Once he realized it was an actual epidemic of cheating little 8-year-olds, we hatched our plan.  We would again go "southside" (but without the normal swearing).

As we set off for the second half of the day, Joe and I were committed to calling out these kids on their unacceptable behavior.  Every time they tried to cut, we would yell:

CUTTERS!  WE'VE GOT CUTTERS HERE!

SECURITY! SECURITY!

CHEATER!  I KNOW YOUR MOTHER AND SHE'S GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THIS!

FOR SHAME!  WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

Naturally, the Green Shirt chaperones looked at us as though we'd lost our marbles (which was not an unfair assumption).  Yet where was the guidance?  Where was the direction from adult chaperones who should know better?  The kids all looked around at each other like we were yelling at someone else.  This is where my husband is great:

No...I'm talking to YOU.  In the GREEN SHIRT.  Don't think you're getting away with anything today.  It AIN'T happening.

Normally, I cringe when Joe drops an "ain't," but it did just gave him that little extra-scary demeanor and street cred needed to shut down the grammar school crowd.

I'm still thinking about writing a letter to the suburban Park District responsible for allowing such behavior to go on unabated, but I suppose I can't be sure that my own children haven't acted this horribly outside my presence.

This fear lead to an hour-long lecture on the ride home about how I expect them to behave when I'm not around.  I threw God, Santa Claus, and the ghosts of their dead grandparents into the mix as far as people who will be monitoring their behavior at all times.

Then I got more serious.  I started to worry about peer influences in the future.  So many Green Shirts obviously felt uncomfortable and hesitant to cut in line, but they were egged on by less virtuous friends.  I went into a long speech about how the measure of person is based not in how he behaves in the presence of moral character, but rather how he acts in the absence of such. 

The kids grew confused by my diatribe, and kept insisting that they didn't cut.  Then they asked what kind of "presents" this Moral Character guy has.  Like a Nintendo DS?

By the time we pulled into the driveway, the boys asked to never go to Santa's Village again.

 Mission accomplished.

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Polish Mama on the Prairie 15 pts

"Southside" as in..... Southern? South Chicago? Southwest Baltimore? Wow. I mean, I'm outspoken and like to think my skinny self sticks up for the kids and myself but this? I have to say that situations like that in some areas I have been to would have involved a mass fight and would therefore never have gone down that route myself.May I suggest that next time this happens, you walk up to the management of the establishment and quietly discuss what is going on and tell them "While I know this is unfair on you, it is really destroying our good time here and making us regret coming. Could you please address this with the group (I mean, the business IS making money off that group and would also lose money if you didn't come back and told people how bad it was!!)? Otherwise, I would like a refund. Thank you so much!" Let management deal with it. And I would ABSOLUTELY write a letter to the Park District if it bothered you so much, as apparently it did.

DonnaFreedman 8 pts

I do this. I say, "Pardon me, the line starts back THERE" and point back to where it starts. Sometimes they give me the stinkeye but I'm getting better at staredowns.

One woman said, "Well, it's just that I'm in a hurry."

I replied, "As are we all."

She grumbled and whined, but she walked back to the end where she belonged.

DonnaFreedman 8 pts

But for karma? I let people go ahead of me if there's no line and I'm getting ready to check out a cart full of stuff. And I always let moms with crying babies or fussy kids go ahead of me -- I know a missed naptime when I see (and hear) one.

MoreThanMommy 7 pts

While I think your approach sounds a bit over the top, I think it's important to speak up. I don't have a problem saying something to kids who are cutting in line (and to the chaperones, if necessary). I generally just tell kids that they can wait in line like everyone else. It works on all but the most hardcore kids... the "stranger talking to you" thing seems to do the trick. On the other hand, I think it's really sad that your approach was so extreme that your kids felt a negative impact on their experience. To me, the lesson is that we can all have more fun if we follow the rules together, not that the parents are going to go ballistic if some other kid cuts in line. A good message can be lost in poor delivery. Did you really say, "What would Jesus do???" To 8 year olds?

We Band of Mothers 14 pts

MoreThanMommy

Our more PC approach at the beginning failed miserably ("there's a line, kids") and we were snickered at and ignored. We notified the people who ran the lines who did nothing either. Another option would have been to leave, but then the bullies would have been empowered in my kids' eyes. Two of my greatest fears are raising kids who don't stand up for themselves and who don't have a moral code. I admit there was probably a better way, I just couldn't think of it at the time. If only there was a perfect parenting script that worked in all situations....I'd be a millionaire.

Polish Mama on the Prairie 15 pts

We Band of MothersMoreThanMommy

Yeah, I've learned that when kids behave that way and when chaperones look at you like you are crazy for acting that way, there is a very real danger of a full on street fight occuring. Adults AND kids. I've seen it first hand at events and wouldn't have risked doing it this way myself. But you are right, the bullies need to be stopped in some way and not empowered.

justlinda 22 pts

I would have called them on it too. I don't know if yelling "cheater cheater" or calling for security is necessary. Maybe it was, but typically I have found that just saying "Hey, no cutting - back of the line is there." (and pointing to where the line ends) works fine. I've never had to ask about Jesus or anything.

Then again, most 8 year olds (at least the ones that didn't come out of my own vagina) find me pretty fearsome. LOL

We Band of Mothers 14 pts

justlinda

Yeah - we tried the "there's a line" approach which was met with "so what?" kind of looks. I even complained to the the people running the rides who allowed dozens of kids to cut in front of us at a time. I got the feeling the ring leaders of these kids were used to authority figures not following up with their requests for civility.

texasebeth 16 pts

I have called kids and chaperones on line cutting and not "sharing" an exhibit at the Children's Museum. I've also had chaperones get ugly with me for speaking up. I do love the idea of writing a letter to let a school district know when you seek kids misbehaving or showing good behavior. I know if my child behaved such a way in public, I would hope a chaperone or teacher would put a stop to it.

littlebitfunky 6 pts

I totally call kids out that are not mine...in the right circumstances (of someone could get hurt and/or if it breaks a rule/law) and especially if my child is there to witness me saying something AND the bad behavior that is going on. I don't want my kids to see other kids being little snots and think that is OK...I feel like if MY kids see me correcting other kids then maybe MY kids will think twice about how they behave when I am not around (thinking that an adult may see them and say something).

Kathy K 13 pts

I'm glad to know that there are still adults out there who aren't afraid to speak up when they see kids misbehaving and tell them to stop.

jandcavenues 6 pts

Its such bad conduct when the adult supervision allows them to do this. You then know that they do this as well. Plus you know that all those kids will just keep doing it through out their lives. Glad you spoke up about it.

I really hate it with teenagers, they all seriously think they just have the right of passage or something its annoying especially when you have been waiting in a long line and then all of a sudden a bunch of these teens show up towards the end to get in line with their one friend and not even noticing everyone else that has been waiting forever. I go postal on them.

and Kaherbert, I think the next time I see a class field trip and the children are acting disrespectful I will right a letter to their school telling them about how disappointed I was, and of course if I see good behavior I will write about that as well.

I think parents and schools need to start teaching children etiquette when out and about and hopefully children will be held accountable for their actions good or bad. The more they learn the better character they will have as they get older.

We Band of Mothers 14 pts

jandcavenues

I agree. I think on top of a pre-outing school lecture, any child caught acting this way on a fieldtrip should have their privileges revoked for the next outing. Even if I was the parent of the child (and mortified upon hearing about such a thing), I would at least appreciate my kid understanding that there's no getting away with unacceptable behavior even when I'm not around. It takes a village.

kaherbert 7 pts

I ran into a similar group at the Smithsonian. They were HS aged though. After they knocked an elderly woman and child down a flight of stairs trying to cut in line - I seriously threatened to call security on them and press assault charges. Pointing out if they were underage their parents would have to come to DC to get them out of jail. (In Texas only a parent/guardian can bail a 10 - 17 yo out of jail. Don't know if that is true for DC but they believed me.)

It didn't improve their overall behavior - but it did improve my experiences around them. If I entered an exhibit - they left. I managed to find out what district they were from - and sent a e-mail complaining about their misbehavior including some video of them abusing an exhibit while the "chaperon" stood there and did nothing.

On the other hand there was a very nice group of elementary students that I ran into on the same trip. I wrote a letter to their district saying they were the best behaved group I saw all week.

We Band of Mothers 14 pts

kaherbertI love your consistency and follow-through with both schools. For every time I complain about cold food at a restaurant, I try to balance out my karma by letting managers know about exceptional service or attention. I am glad that the group had you on their radar at the Smithsonian & left. I wish I had that kind of power. You're like a Superhero. (:

We Band of Mothers 14 pts

Oh sweet Jesus, thank God I didn't swear too much in this one. I didn't know it would be promoted on BlogHer. Thanks, BlogHer!

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Jacki Carugati McHale
Jacki Carugati McHale

I loath children who cut in line, and even more bad chaperone's that let them. LOVE the way they went 'Southside' on them, with out the swearing.