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An easy way to piss me off is to make a sweeping generalization about a large group of people and claim that they all possess the same characteristic. While it seems obvious to me that this is a wrong and misguided thing to do, there are actually people out there who do this. Not only do they make untrue generalizations, but sometimes their words are published on popular websites.

I should probably ignore things like this that piss me off, and most of the time I do. But every once in a while it's impossible. The example this time is a woman named Carol Sarler who wrote an article in the Daily Mail, putting down childless women. Not content to say something just slightly less offensive, she states that childless woman “lack an essential humanity.”

Much as I like to trumpet the importance of a woman's right to choose all things at all times, there's one choice I simply cannot understand: the choice of an otherwise sane and healthy woman not to have children. [...]

[If a woman] says she hasn't a shred of maternal feeling in her, moreover, if she says she would prefer to concentrate on her career and that a child would only get in the way of it, then my head might acknowledge her right to do so. But my heart whispers: 'Lady, you're weird.'

Sarler points to recent research that shows that “far from bosses and colleagues always being suspicious of a working mother, the opposite is becoming true: it is the childless woman who is regarded as cold and odd.” (When I read that, my first thought was that I’d really like someone to do a breakdown of the results of this study. I’ve seen Bella DePaulo tear through enough of these types of studies to be suspicious right from the beginning.)

If Sarler had worded her article in such a way that encouraged employers not to discriminate against hiring mothers, and also not to assume that childless workers are automatically harder working, that would be one thing. But Sarler says that mothers are the better workers and that bosses are right to distrust women who don't want children. Apparently, being childless means you’re out partying all the time.

It's not the mothers, for a start, who are going to turn up late and hungover after a night on the razz; they'll have been up, dressed and alert for hours, having cooked a family breakfast and delivered their children to school. On time.

Nobody appreciates being generalized about. I know plenty of childless women who have huge hearts; they certainly don’t booze it up every night and arrive at work late the next morning. In fact, they often do a better job as aunties and godmothers than a lot of mothers do with their own kids.

I’ve always leaned farther to the side of not having a child than being able to picture myself changing diapers and soothing temper tantrums. So when I hear these misguided and just plain wrong opinions about childless women, I’m even more positive that I could remain happy in the ranks of Women Who Are Awesome and Childless for the rest of my life.

What’s your opinion when you hear something like this?

Related Reading:

Amy Clare, guest blogging at The F Word, responds to Carol Sarler’s article by writing her an open letter.

Thank you so much for writing this well researched, intelligent and thoughtful article on the subject of childless -- sorry, barren -- women. I’ve been wondering why I haven’t had a promotion lately, and you have solved the mystery! It is all down to the bad vibes given off from my empty uterus, which I have selfishly chosen not to use! Thinking about it, my choice not to pass on my genetic material explains a lot of other odd stuff as well -- like why children, ‘normal’ people and cute furry pets alike all hurry along looking frightened when they pass me in the street, or why I’m able to refrigerate things just by touching them. I hadn’t realised I was ‘weird!’

Pamela Troy says this is "an example of an especially obnoxious form of arrogance -- inflating a personal preference into a moral imperative."

Unfortunately, people afflicted with this form of smugness invariably feel compelled to either write essays about it or offer long, earnest explanations to anyone unfortunate enough to bring the subject up in conversation. Such people can’t merely say,

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zomper216 5 pts

Thank you so much for responding to this ridiculous article! I know so many co-workers who do not want to have children due to the fact that as children's therpists we see day in and day out parents who should not have had children and the fallout from this. We are always commenting that we are probably the women who SHOULD be having children, but choose not to simply because we want to use our skills and education to help those with children. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I am sharing this with my co-workers on Monday!

Zandria 5 pts

I went over and read it just now. What you said is very similar to how I feel, and it also made me realize that growing up in a restrictive environment (a religious family who was very much in control of my life, movements, friends, etc) probably shaped how I act and think right now more than I previously realized.

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Erin White 5 pts

and all the reading material on this subject!  I tend to agree with whomever said up there that the author was purposely inflammatory and is home googling her own name.

Being childless "by choice" myselft, I was inspired to blog about this.  Took me a while to get it all straight in my head, but here it is - 

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ronitbaras 5 pts

About sweeping statements, "what she said"!  How can anyone claim to know all about everybody and classify like that?

My 3 kids are the most precious things in the world to me, but I can imagine not being able to have them, because I know women who can't.  They are very brave to face society and its relentless expectations.

And what about personal choice?  Who's to tell any woman what to do with her life?  Our norms are the result of centuries of bad judgment.  Who says having kids is the only way for a woman to assert herself.

Still, I wouldn't turn up too "partied" to work.  It only makes things worse, doesn't it?

Here's another take on personal choice, called life formula ( http://www.ronitbaras.com/index.php/emotional-inte... ).

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tacdgb 5 pts

I wanted for years to be a mom. I just couldn't as my body wasn't able to and adoption didn't work.  So don't let anyone tell me that I wouldn't make a good mom or didn't have the right "mom genes".  I was a preschool teacher for years and I got compliments on how well I did with the kids.

beckytcy 5 pts

That is such an awful thing to say that I almost think that Carol Sarler is only saying it to get attention. Obviously, women have a right to choose whether or not to have children. With over-population, I think people who choose not to have children should be applauded. There are still many ways to contribute to society without spawning.

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schmutzie 5 pts

I was told by a female family member once that women without children were lacking in some sort of essential depth and never fully matured.

It appalled me at the time, because I never wanted my own children, but now that I have had a hysterectomy due to cervical cancer, that sort of thinking just seems cruel.  Have I lost some essential aspect of my humanity now that children are that much less of an option for me?

This kind of thinking is reductive and showcases the lack of heart and imagination of the author to see the world and the people in it from differing perspectives.  

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Anne Geren 5 pts

Some years ago, while still attempting to escape the small minded area of Dallas, Texas, I passed two women in a Target-one of whom was saying: "I think people who don't have children are selfish"-the other woman agreed with her wholeheartedly......Quite the contrary, sometimes NOT having children is the most UNSELFISH thing that someone can do. I have a mother, who by her own declaration has said to me: "Anne, I should've never had a kid-I was a horrible wife and a horrible mother". I've put myself through enough therapy that I'm ok, but the years of horrendous abuse of all kinds leave a few scars that are never fully expunged. I grew up in complete squalor, filth, poverty and insanity-with a mentally ill, alcoholic mother and a passive aggressive father. I had loaded guns in my face, and was told from day one that I was fat, ugly and I'd never amount to s___t. When she didn't want to deal with me I was locked in dark closets. Was I fat? Yes-because they forced me to eat until I was in pain: I was trained that you eat until your sick. Homework was done by candlelight when they didn't pay the electric bill. I slept on rotted out mattresses shoved in corners, trying to curl my six year old body around the rusted out springs sticking out, because I'd rotted it out with my chronic bedwetting. Because the mattresses were on the floor, the scorpions got up there easily-I was awakened many times with them stinging their way across my body. Years later, in therapy, I was told,"Well of course you wet the bed-you weren't allowed to talk; it had to come out somewhere....."  Journaling was my only means of survival-while I was at school one time when I was 14, my mother broke into my diary, forged my handwriting, and then took it to my father. When I got home that day I walked into WWIII; she had written, " Gee, I hope I'm not pregnant after that slumber party at Jan's house"-she got him to believe that I had written it. I was in shock and horrified-ironically, I didn't have sex until I was 18....I dragged a mattess into the attic that night and lived up there-with nothing up there but the mattress, but at least it was away from them. When I was 16 I came home one night-my  father started a fist fight with me, and she jumped in to help him. I left that night and never went back-I wet the bed one time after that; never again. I'd been working since I was 13, to buy my school clothes, and within two weeks I had a car. I started drinking when I was 15, and discovered drugs a couple of years later-used and abused until I was 27, all the while the epitomy of responsibility, working and saving. In March of this year I picked up a chip for 25 years clean and sober, and I hold at 125lbs. instead of 185. I was petrified that I would treat a child the same way that I'd been treated. Besides, I've spent most of my adult life recreating myself and 'unlearning' everything that I've been taught. My sense of self esteem was so non existent that any effort on my part to 'breed' would have merely been codependence-"I need something to love me..." As far as selfishness goes? I spend time rescuing animals-I've sponsored children through the Christian Children's Fund, I've held the hand of people who were dying from AIDS so they wouldn't have to die alone when their 'families' turned their backs on them. I currently work in behavioral health, helping people with mental health challenges to empower themselves. 

So my words to you, Ms. Sarler: Let's have coffee so I can fill in the gaps on my story, shall we? I'll tell you what else I've done to go out of my  way to help the downtrodden, forgotten and ostracized. And then, Ms. Sarler, I want you to tell me one more time-just how selfish I am..............

shelleyp 5 pts

My mother was a woman who should never have had children. She, her mother, were from a long line of women who had kids but really wanted to do something else. However, getting married, and having kids was "the thing to do". 

I love my mother, and she loves me, but I did not have a fun or healthy upbringing. 

I chose a long time ago not to have kids, and have had no regrets. Whatever my faults, I would never write "such and such a group of people are lacking essential humanity".  To me, there's little else that would indicate an essential lack of humanity than to write statements such as that.

Leighbra 5 pts

The only thing I could think of was when a brand wants to make a come back, and remarket itself.

Like when the prune industry spent millions renaming itself "dried plums!" and people really did start buying them.

Or something along the lines of the negative campaign against victory gardens. "You can't grow enough food, don't even try!"

Carol's trying to lift up mothers in the work place, by stomping on everyone else in her path.

Blogher is almost always the place to come for a refreshing spin on something crazy. It's what makes the place so fantastic. And if something starts to get out of hand here, nobody is afraid to say it and get people back on track.

HipMom 5 pts

This is truly shocking, to find someone who feels it's ok to plainly put down other women just for not having children. And it's ridiculous.

I'm a mom, and I cannot imagine not having my daughters - but does that make me feel superior to those who have no kids, by choice or otherwise? Absolutely not.

It never fails to surprise me that those who look down on or discriminate on a specific category of people are always those who are most vocal in expressing their misguided ideas. Don't they understand that discrimination is negative, in all forms? If you have views of that sort, at least be decent and keep them to yourself, because they are sure nothing to be proud of, and nothing worth parading around. Or are they trying to "recruit" more people to feel better about their position? 

Absurd.

Leighbra 5 pts

I can't imagine writing a piece like that without actually wanting a backlash. She's probably at home googling her own name.

I've seen some dreadful mothers. Women who, I can safely say, have very little humanity in their hearts when they beat or starve their children. Guess humanity isn't exuded from the fertilized ovum, is it?

I love how men don't even have to try to hold us down anymore, because we're so busy shoving each other's head under water that we don't bother to thank each other for the part we all play in equality.

Thank you Florence Nightengale, Mother Theresa, Susan B Anthony, Rosalind Franklin, Clara Barton, Helen Keller, countless other women who fought hard to lift up mankind and better the world around us...OFTEN feeling SUCH a sense of humanity that their drive and cause made them put the greater good ahead of personal desires to start a family.

We, mothers or not, wouldn't be much of anywhere without the work of these women. Humanity would be surely worse off without these "barren" women. Heck, Miss Carol wouldn't even be able to vote, work, or obtain quality medical care.

Bah. Carol, you so silly!

Creatively Belle 5 pts

Isn't it interesting that we're all of the same mind - finding the broad sweep of generalisations invalid and that children don't make a kind heart?

Often you can figure out when someone is saying something stupid with the aim of getting a needed conversation going but here I can't see that happening. Or maybe it is more subtle than I can see at the moment - maybe it is about getting us to talk about how we perceive mothers and women who aren't mothers?

There continues to be discrimination in the workplace - in nearly all areas that matter - so is this about getting awareness and discussion happening to create change? It is getting lots of attention and if that's the goal then she's succeeding.

Or maybe it is just about getting publicity? All publicity is good publicity...

I think the best thing to take out of this is the support for women and individual choices that's been shown here. There are far more positive and encouraging comments here than there are ill-conceived generalisations.

So there's more good than bad from this.

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asperber21 5 pts

While I was in Norway my host mother always made comments lik, "Women who don't want children do not have much love in their hearts," or that they're "weird."  My thoughts, even though I always knew I wanted to be a mother, were that it's a woman's choice on whether or not she wants children.  Choosing not to does not make them a monster, in fact I admire them in a way, they're practicing population control.  The world is already filled with consuming filled humans, why add on? 

It's outrageous to think that another woman would think that a childless woman would lack humanity. 

Crunchy Carpets 5 pts

towards everything..the sexism and stereotyping in the UK is staggering compared to here! 

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Zandria 5 pts

I'm the same way -- if I hear "always" or "never," I automatically get up-in-arms about it. :)

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Zandria 5 pts

You're right, I think that's the best response of them all. :)

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Zandria 5 pts

The thing is, it shouldn't matter to anyone else if you choose to procreate or not. (Except maybe your mother, if she's nagging you about giving her a grandkid. And even then she should BE QUIET if you tell her to lay off.) :)

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Jozet at Halushki 5 pts

"An easy way to piss me off is to make a sweeping generalization about a large group of people and claim that they all possess the same characteristic."

You are officially my new favorite person.

As soon as I hear anyone say "always" or "never" in a debated/debateable topic, I almost always think "what a boob".

Even "most" and "almost always" drive me bonkers. ;-)

Which is to say that generalizations, in general, are just plain lazy. Usually. Mostly. Almost always. 

Stereotypes are just sloppy excuses for not exercising one's mind beyond a comfort zone of prejudice.

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Mwa 5 pts

I completely agree with this post. I know a lot of "Women Who Are Awesome and Childless" and I think it's ridiculous that anyone would think less of them for it.

A lot of people (often Americans) seem to think that women who do not want to have children are somehow selfish. I have never understood this, as surely having children is one of the more selfish and self-centred things to do. Taking care of them afterwards may not be, but to have them in the first place? I think it is a very responsible and rational thing not to have children if you don't want them.

Another thing: when I first became a mother, all of a sudden people would treat me differently, like I had joined some kind of club, but also as if I had only just grown up. If this happened to me, I don't doubt that women without children are often treated differently for not being in this club.

In any case, it is ridiculous to judge people for making a different choice to your own.

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ShoreBookworm 5 pts

Well first of all, it's the Daily Mail.  Nuff said right there as far as credibility goes.

Secondly, the whole piece is just laughable.   To categorize women based on their fecundity is absurd.  As the news often sadly shows us, motherhood does not guarantee humanity. 

The best response?  I would just chuck her under the chin and say "Carol, you so silly!"  lol lol

themomwhotookoffonhermotorcycle 5 pts

After raising 4 kids plus 2 step kids and facing an empty nest, I am on the other side of this debate. I raised those kids and sacrificed a lot of my time, my energy, and my life. Not a complaint! Just a fact: I had to put a lot of what I wanted to do on hold to take care of the little ones.But now that they’re grown and the last one graduates high school in a few weeks, I can see that I’m back where I started – trying to figure out who this “me” is.My kids couldn’t define that for me. My life is once again my own and I can choose what I want to do with it. It feels like a blip in time – it went so fast – and now I’m faced again with the question: What do I want to make of my life?

AmberS 5 pts

I have two children. I don't feel that I gained some essential humanity in bearing them that I lacked before. I do feel that they've changed my life in countless ways, and even changed me. But I'm not essentially different. I'm certainly not any better able to work now than I used to be. I'm not more responsible or diligent or any of that.

I can't understand why it makes any difference to anyone else whether any given individual chooses to procreate or not. Honestly, it's so personal. There's no way it's any of my business what you choose to do (or not) with your uterus.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

It's not the mothers, for a start, who are going to turn up late and hungover after a night on the razz; they'll have been up, dressed and alert for hours, having cooked a family breakfast and delivered their children to school. On time.

Yikes! What a dinosaur in thinking. Not only does she stereotype non-mothers, she stereo-types mothers. So, all mothers are organized, getting up early, and preparing breakfasts, I suppose, while hubby sleeps until he sees her dewey-fresh face above him holding his coffee? Clearly she hasn't read the confessions of honest mothers. This woman is about putting people in boxes.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

It's always something, someone out there trying to say "Look at me, I declare myself better than those people not like me over there."

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Love your passionate response, Laurie.   Only since I've been affiliated with BlogHer, reading the opinions of a variety of female bloggers, have I become aware of people placing negative characteristics on women who don't have children.  The idea that a woman without children was less human never occurred to me. I became a mother unexpectedly. As a child I didn't spend time envisioning myself with children, and one of my mother's friends was married with no children. I thought she was sylish, cool, and an excellent school teacher, and wanted to be like her. Furthemore, I tended to admire book heroines who fought being pigeonholed into traditional images of women.

My mother had trouble having babies. She lost five babies before having me, two sets of twins and a single live birth child who lived only hours and then died.  So, I heard stories of how much and how long she prayed for a child.  And I've had relatives who cried because they couldn't have children
and probably would have made great mothers as well as some who I
suspect motherhood would have killed. Maybe knowing that my mother could just have easily not been a mother and seeing kind women who wanted children and had none caused me to not place negatives on women who didn't have children.

I also saw women who seemed to pop children out with ease and yet didn't make good mothers at all, meaning they were cruel to their children, and eagerly made them the responsibility of others.

Perhaps it's cultural.  The rare sight in my community was a young married woman who stayed home with her children by choice and devotion to them was her only goal in life. Everybody had to work jobs outside the home whether they wanted to or not.  So some of the swiping at each other I've seen in the larger community about women pitted against women over things like who has children and who doesn't, who works outside the home and who stays home with children, etc., and judgmental eulogies to women's youth misspent working corporate jobs instead of having babies simply didn't play out enough in my community enough for me to form a negative opinion of either group, those with children vs. those without.

Now the pestering of married women who did not have children, that I saw, because people tend to pressure other people to be like them.  I think I internalized some of the pressure my mother seems to have felt to have children, although she wanted them, as people needing to not butt into other people's lives. But this assumption that women without children were less compasionate or human?  If it was there, I missed it.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

She does have one sentence at the end basically saying those who are "unwillingly barren" deserve our pity, but that was just a lead in to more "if you choose to be barren you are a worthless human being" garbage. Offensive on every level.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Great post, Zan. I mentioned the article in passing in my post about Sonia Sotomayor and whether or not parenting status affects one's ability to advocate, serve the public or engage in political activism ( http://www.blogher.com/sonia-sotomayor-not-mother-... ) but I appreciate your fuller look at the Sarler piece because judgmental crap deserves to get called out.

This is a consummate example of how identity is confused with essentialism. Our unique experiences and identities add to a richness of perspective and a build a stronger, more robust fabric when our strands are knit together. Building a workplace with diversity on all fronts has been shown repeatedly to be good for business. Asserting that mothers are better (or worse) workers, feminists or advocates than non-mothers, is, as Pamela Troy whom you quote above puts it brilliantly: "an example of an especially obnoxious form of arrogance -- inflating a personal preference into a moral imperative."

Also, like others have mentioned, I wonder where the men and fathers in the workplace are. No questioning of their negotiating ability, no stereotyping of their drinking and socializing habits, no assuming about their demands to leave their desk at 5pm on the dot. Is that because Saler believes that men simply work or that they do real work or that they don't participate in the raising of their children? That kind of women/mothers only judgment coming from a woman and mother is the worst kind of anti-feminist nonsense.

I particularly love how Sarler describes how she would judge 40+ single mothers by choice, partnered lesbian mothers and 66 year-old mothers who use reproductive technology to get pregnant but that she would judge the women who made those choices less than she would the women who didn't make those choices. If I'm going to be judged no matter what choice I make, I'm glad I've made choices that work for me.

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Zandria 5 pts

I can't fathom how someone would TRY to say that motherhood automatically makes a woman a better person. Maybe with some women that's the case, but certainly not all of them. And there are even less people in this world who undertake such a fight as you are. That's awesome!

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Zandria 5 pts

I definitely thought of the fact that she didn't address women who would LIKE to have kids but are unable to. You said it better than I could have, though, and I thank you for that. :)

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Megan Smith 5 pts

I was trying to figure how to respond to this--especially without using four letter words--but you said everything I wanted to and then some.

Thanks!

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lauriewrites 5 pts

Fact: I've worked with some lazy, bitchy, judgmental women who happened to be mothers and some serious go-getters without children. And vice versa. And some mothers are mean! And some single women end up Mother Teresa!

The comparisons are useless, apples and oranges, and yet they persist, often originating from mothers, at the same time that they beg not to be pigeonholed and to be valued for what they do and what they contribute to society. Another fact: while I respect your path and that of others, Zan, who are processing this as a conscious choice and are not at all sure they want to parent, NOT all women without children willingly chose this.

And finally, I am SO tired of feeling compelled to justify myself as viable in all areas of human existence because i am not a parent. I do not want to feel like I have to justify my compassion, my work ethic, my life choices, to combat the image of single and/or childess/free/whatever people. It's rude and demeaning, and I don't ask parents to do it, even those that I look at and think, really? That's how you talk to a child to help her grow into a solid human being? Try again.

For some of us this comes with its own rack of pain and acceptance, and the world - including columnists clearly hungry for blog hits, which worked if you check the comments on the post - would do well to STFU about my life and choices, just as I generally do about the sometimes poor ones of women who have kids and don't take care of them adequately, or settle for unhappy marriages so they can have a family (which I refused to do, in an abdication of my responsibility to the natural order and to evolve towards my "essential humanity") or don't have the economic means to do it alone but do it anyway (another choice I refuse to make.) Were parenting the golden ticket to enlightenment and selflessness, there would be no need for child protective services and I would make a shitty counselor and teacher. The facts don't compute, sorry Carol.

Laurie

Beth Terry 5 pts

I guess working my ass off to protect sea animals from the plastic waste generated by the humanity of which I'm essentially lacking makes me less than human.  Oh well.  I haven't had children, and since my hysterectomy, couldn't if I wanted to.  Still, I love my kitties with a passion I'd probably give to children if I'd had them, and I lie awake at night thinking about creatures that we are harming by our thoughtless actions.  But none of that counts.

I just hope that the children of this bigoted woman are exposed to enough kind, loving, child-free women in their lives to see through her ignorant statements.

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babybeatnik 5 pts

I can completely understand why some women wouldn't want to have children. Being a mom is a hard job and it is certainly not for everyone. In becoming a mother, I felt like I had become complete - but that doesn't mean that every woman would feel the same way.

I know plenty of women without children who are great workers and have hearts the size of Texas. What a ridiculous claim.

lousymom 5 pts

When I had my daughter, I found out two things at work. 1. All of a sudden, people wanted to talk to me and work with me who had never been interested in me before. Being a mom had the effect of suddenly making me popular and respected in a new way. and 2. I simply could not function well. I was so tired and my thoughts were so scattered and mom-focued that I lost a lot of the sharpness for my job that I had before.

I would not trade my daughter for the world. She is truly a great little person. But, I don't feel that I would have been a worse person for not having children. In fact, being a mother is the only thing I have never really been good at. If I didn't have children, my life would have gone another direction, but I would have been great at it!

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mysailorsmistress 5 pts

WOW!!!

I have some awesome friends who NEVER EVER want to have children. They are hard workers, fun, and seem rather content with life. To each their own. 

Why does it have to label them?

I can say that I do not agree with this article. I have 2 kids with 1 on the way. I would trust my children with a women who does not have kids as much as I would a mother. 

Jennifer

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