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Comparing Facts About 1929 Great Depression and 2009 Part 1

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Rick Santelli’s rant on the floor of the Stock Exchange made me mad. The switch from blaming institutions, corporations, regulatory bodies and all manor of greed mutating has now morphed into branding individuals and and families as “losers.” Yes, there is a lot of anger and frustrations. It is easier to be angry than to find answers.

Yet it is not that easy to explain. This is a complicated issue. It is not just the Sub-Prime loan crisis. It is not just the Pyramid investment schemes.  It is not just the price of oil, food or other commodities.  And, most important, it is NOT solely an American problem. This is a global financial disaster. 

What I would like to attempt for my next series of posts is to help you find facts, you can make up your own mind and act accordingly.  This first attempt might seem a little dry but it is important to understand the facts before you can understand what people had to do to survive, then and now.

Question 1 – If this is a depression how is it similar or different from the one in 1929?

The financial crisis has not officially been declared a depression. To me, this recession has many of the features of a depression and apparently so does Fox Business News. There are many complex reasons why the 1929 Great Depression happened. These are the some of short answers:

  • There was an agriculture/environmental problem called “The Dust Bowl” that removed viable top soil from farm land. This affected farmers ability to grow crops and to repay the loans. The banks foreclosed on the farms, sold to the highest bidder and evicted the families.
  • This was the age of industrialization. Workers put in long hours for little pay. Businesses not only produced but over-produced commodities. There wasn’t enough customers to buy the products. Yet manufactures kept producing. You also had overseas competition as well.
  • There was limited or no regulation regarding the practices of the Stock Market. It was the good old boy club and any money obtained was great for the club members who had no regard whatsoever for their actions, either legal or unethical.

Question 2 – What are the similarities?

1929 – Investors were able to purchase stock on a “margin.” This meant that a person could buy 10% of the value of the stock and owe the rest payable at a later time. Some folks borrowed from the bank to make stock investments. Others took their savings from the bank to purchase stocks. Most Americans had their money in the bank, the same as now.

Now many of the stocks were tied to legitimate companies. Others had purchased a certificate of stock ownership tied to a company no one knew anything about, especially those that were selling it. Millions of shares were being bought and sold for 10% of the value. Then came the day when the banks and financial institutions called in the margin. When they did that the investors around the world panicked.  Everyone was trying to sell. No one was buying. The market crashed.

Those that were smart and just had their money in the bank? If the bank did not have the funds to return your deposits you lost them.  Your money was gone. There were 4,000 bank and financial institutions that disappeared. This is why some of the great-grandparent are or were extremely fearful of putting money in the bank.

2009 – There were individuals buying and selling mortgages then repackaging the loans and selling them to the next sucker, I mean buyer. In the meantime,  institutional investors such as teacher unions, state retirement boards and other companies were buying money market and other types of fund investments to help grow their retirement funds for workers.  Some of the bad loans were interwoven into those packages. 

Let’s not forget about how easy it was for people to get credit and adjustable rate mortgages. Or that the housing market also inflated home prices. New construction was booming as was the companies that serviced the construction market. Now mix in the marketing campaign to people with less than stellar credit and charging higher interest rates for that population to purchase a home without documentation of income or ability to pay. Common sense did not matter to the borrower or lender. Get the loan, sell the mortgage. There were warnings that were ignored on the local, state and federal level.

Like 1929, at some point

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juliestevenson23 5 pts

Wow Gena, I never have been quite as emotionally attached to a post before as this one, mainly because I had very close family, go through the 1929 depression.

One the sadest parts for me is any talk about the "Dust Bowl." I've had family members talk about it, but never in as much detail as the sadness and heartache portrayed in the book, "Out of the Dust," by Karen Hesse. I'll never forget it..

Overall wonderful post thoug, Gena. Thanks!

Julie S, Free Credit Report ( http://www.profitablenuggets.com/ ) (Financial Consultant)

Gena Haskett 6 pts

Now yes, there are low lifes in Congress and there were White House occupants that should not have been allowed to take the oath. I mention no names.

It isn't one thing. It is a collection of bad deal that like a malignant cell group together. If you can catch it in time you have a chance at stopping it. You have to be able to see it first.

If this thing is going to be fixed it will need a collation from progressive to libertarians and all people in between. We can work to that balance but we must pay attention.

Obama is alright with me so far. Congress, not so much. This is our time to say what we want and don't want. No matter where your are on the spectrum let you views be known.

Thank you for reading my post. I hope to do better next time.
Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

MLOKnitting 5 pts

I did a really short synopsis on what actually was going on here: http://www.mloknitting.com/?p=583

 Also, thought many don't realize it, we have been in a drought in much of the non-grass farming parts of the USA for at least a decade.  This has led to soil erosion and a growing reliance on foreign food supplies.  Farming is a vast and complex mess in the USA - with Monsanto and ADM stating repeatedly that they want to crush all their competition and control the food supply.  

Ongoing consolidation in all industries is a very really problem that is being overlooked because of those saying that fewer companies (and banks) are consolidating now than during and after 1929 without recognizing that the sheer numbers of companies affected by the 1929 crash dwarfs the entire stock exchange today.  There really were that many more banks and companies.

This does not even touch on the increasing reliance on consumer debt to subsidize business that happened during the build up to both depressions.  (And, yes, this is a depression.)

We also had an extreme shift of wealth to the upper 1% - which does not include the people in McMansions.  If your name isn't Rockefeller, Gates, etc., you aren't a club member.  Union busting was a primary mover on that front - as was the repeal of usury laws.

This was an ongoing and long-coming downturn.  Much of the previous booms were built on fantasy money - the dotcom bubble had been built on Milken's ill-gotten gains, for instance.  We had already had an S&L scandal which consolidated debt into fewer hands with fewer regulatory restrictions (mostly thanks to Reagan and Bush, Sr.).  Clinton was no friend to the working person either in his blind support of NAFTA.  NAFTA served to destroy Mexico's economy as well.

Of course, this doesn't even go into the "Drug War" which several reporters over the years have shown to have had ties to Bush Sr.'s CIA as a covert ops to fund other covert ops like Iran Contra.  Do you really think that large Black Marketeering doesn't damage the legitimate business?  

There are a multitude of things that contributed, but, in the end, it was a cadre of criminals in Congress and the White House in collusion with the Courts that stole the American people - and the world - blind.

MLO / Melissa