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 <description>&lt;p&gt;I was so inspired by this post and by Queen of Spain, I joined in :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://slayerintraining.blogspot.com/2007/09/swimsuits-for-blogher.html&quot; title=&quot;http://slayerintraining.blogspot.com/2007/09/swimsuits-for-blogher.html&quot;&gt;http://slayerintraining.blogspot.com/2007/09/swimsuits-for-blogher.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s from 2 years ago, and only half of me, but I don&#039;t often let myself be photographed in a swimsuit ;)  Thanks for giving me the courage to show this photo!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Angel&lt;br /&gt;
headacheslayer.blogspot.com&lt;br /&gt;
slayerintraining.blogspot.com&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:56:33 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Angelohara</dc:creator>
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 <title>Hurray!  Keep the pictures coming!</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;After the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/learning-lessons-ugly-betty-real-women-have-curves&quot;&gt;Glamour/America Ferrera debacle&lt;/a&gt;, we need these pictures more than ever.  If you post your picture on your own blog, please tag it &quot;swimsuit brigade&quot; and/or link it here so that you are counted!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everyone looks awesome in their own skin!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/member/suzanne&quot;&gt;Suzanne Reisman&lt;/a&gt;, BlogHer Contributing Editor - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/topic/feminism-gender&quot;&gt;Feminism &amp;amp; Gender&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cussandotherrants.com/&quot;&gt;Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS)&amp;amp; Other Ran&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:42:54 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Suzanne Reisman</dc:creator>
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 <title>You Ladies Rock!</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;It is soooo important to love your body.  I try to keep in mind that while many of my &quot;parts&quot; may meet with my unrealistic ideal, there are so many who would give anything to be able to use or replace missing or paralyzed parts.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are all lovely, fortunate women - me thinks!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have a great weekend!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Erin&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogspot.expectingexecutive.com&quot;&gt; ExpectingExecutive - Helping Women Manage Life&#039;s Details&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:51:10 -0500</pubDate>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://photobucket.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c316/erinekvest/ohman004.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Politics &amp;amp; News Contributing Editor&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://queenofspainblog.com/&quot;&gt;Queen of Spain&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:25:56 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Erin Kotecki Vest</dc:creator>
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 <title>Finally did it!</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Finally got a photo of me in my current swimsuit online.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/darinhercules/1225638040/&quot; title=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/darinhercules/1225638040/&quot;&gt;http://flickr.com/photos/darinhercules/1225638040/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
(the photo is strangely stretched when uploaded here).  It&#039;s stretched out and needs to be replaced (the excess is tied behind by back), but still looks OK. BTW, is there a tag to use on Flickr for these?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I LOVE the tankinis that Land&#039;s End makes.  They fit real women&#039;s bodies.   Yes, I ordered 4suits  today to try on in the comfort of my own home to replace this one.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/darinhercules/1225638040/&quot; title=&quot;Photo Sharing&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1102/1225638040_54a92ef6e2_m.jpg&quot; width=&quot;180&quot; height=&quot;240&quot; alt=&quot;real swimsuit body&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I blogged it&lt;a href=&quot;http://debsdistractions.blogspot.com/2007/08/tale-of-scale-this-ones-for-suzanne.html&quot;&gt; here!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Debra&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://astitchintime.blogspot.com&quot;&gt;A Stitch In Time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://debsdistractions.blogspot.com&quot;&gt;Deb&#039;s Daily Distractions&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:46:30 -0500</pubDate>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;wow. too much web-surfing today&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Politics &amp;amp; News Contributing Editor&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://queenofspainblog.com/&quot;&gt;Queen of Spain&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:43:33 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Erin Kotecki Vest</dc:creator>
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 <title>I broke my camera</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Ok, it wasn&#039;t the site of me in a swimsuit..but I&#039;m working to fix a dropped camera. Stay tuned. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Politics &amp;amp; News Contributing Editor&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://queenofspainblog.com/&quot;&gt;Queen of Spain&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:43:08 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Erin Kotecki Vest</dc:creator>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m so excited and touched that everyone is participating in some way!  This is great.&lt;br /&gt;
Don&#039;t forget to tag your post &lt;a href=&quot;http://technorati.com/tag/swimsuit+brigade&quot; rel=&quot;tag&quot;&gt;Swimsuit Brigade&lt;/a&gt; so that technorati and other sites pick it up!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/member/suzanne&quot;&gt;Suzanne&lt;/a&gt;, BlogHer Contributing Editor - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/topic/feminism-gender&quot;&gt;Feminism &amp;amp; Gender&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cussandotherrants.com/&quot;&gt;Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS)&amp;amp; Other Rants&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:18:50 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Suzanne Reisman</dc:creator>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;I put on my swimsuit and.... it was far too small. No wonder it took me 1/2 an hour just to get it on. So no picture from me :(   though I did still post as an advertisement to others to participate&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://diggitydes.blogspot.com/2007/08/des-failed-swimsuit-brigade-attempt.html&quot;&gt;(Here&#039;s the link.)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:30:28 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>super des</dc:creator>
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 <title>OK, I&#039;m in.</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/avengingophelia/1183705197/&quot; title=&quot;Photo Sharing&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1130/1183705197_f2ff6deffe_t.jpg&quot; width=&quot;76&quot; height=&quot;100&quot; alt=&quot;Swimsuit Brigade!&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is an old picture, but not that much has changed, and I really wanted to participate. I&#039;m so proud of all of us!&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:47:26 -0500</pubDate>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s too funny, Liz!!! Well, I took a full body shot (WITH suit, NO Skirt, ha ha) and will be blogging it this week once I&quot;m home from my teacher&#039;s retreat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Birdie&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/blog/birdie-jaworski&quot;&gt;Birdie&#039;s BlogHer Blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lapajaro.com&quot;&gt;La Pajaro&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:37:30 -0500</pubDate>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;How many times do we turn on the TV or open a magazine and have all these beautiful bodies staring back at us?  But honestly, how real are they?  As the posts attest to, without all the airbrushing, cosmetics, wardrobe (or lack of it) and fuss, these young girls/women wouldn&#039;t be nearly as glamorous.&lt;br /&gt;
At least we have our self worth, our dignity and for many of us, happiness in our lives.  We are all fabulous in our own way, with something special inside of us, and as long as we realise this, we will accept ourselves as we are.&lt;br /&gt;
I think you are so brave Suzanne for donning the swimsuit and taking your picture to post here, and if I had one, I would join you.  My excuse? It is winter here in Sydney, Australia and my swimsuits are all packed away until Summer approaches.  I could post one in my daggy trackies which would cause just as much a stir.&lt;br /&gt;
You go girl, and yes, I too have jumped on your bandwagon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absolutely...Fabulous at 40&lt;br /&gt;
Cheers&lt;br /&gt;
Danette&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fabat40.com&quot; title=&quot;www.fabat40.com&quot;&gt;www.fabat40.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:33:08 -0500</pubDate>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Talk to any really thing teenage girl or young adult and she will tell you she hates wearing a swimsuit as much as anyone else.  It&#039;s just as troubling to me.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bah.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;~Denise&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://fasttimes.clubmom.com&quot;&gt;Fast Times @ Homeschool High&lt;/a&gt; &amp;amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flamingohouse.net&quot;&gt;Flamingo House Happenings&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:50:58 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Hey S! Thanks for responding :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I agree with your thesis that &quot;models don&#039;t speak for us&quot;, I think they aren&#039;t even trying to. They are speaking for the product they are selling. Period. Companies  need to make their products look &quot;good&quot; and they&#039;ll do anything to make that happen, air-brushing, camera angles, et al.&lt;br /&gt;
The problem arises when people start internalizing what they see, and believe them to be true. I think the way to tackle this is to expose them. Which is where your campaign can be very effective.  When a model wears a VS bra, it IS about the bra. When I buy the same bra and wear it, it becomes about me :)&lt;br /&gt;
As for me, I am a health-first kind of person. My tagline to your campaign: Do not let anyone define beauty/body types for you. Simply put, there are no standards (except health)  for us to live up to.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:58:47 -0500</pubDate>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Snigda,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is definitely not meant to be one of those backlashes against skinny women.  Many super thin women wind up having butts and chests airbrushed onto them to make them fit a standard, just as non-thin women get airbrushed down.  The point of us this is that real women don&#039;t look airbrushed, models tend to look only one way, and there are many, many types of real women out there.  Let&#039;s see the full range of women, proud of themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Suzanne&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/member/suzanne&quot;&gt;Suzanne&lt;/a&gt;, BlogHer Contributing Editor - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/topic/feminism-gender&quot;&gt;Feminism &amp;amp; Gender&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cussandotherrants.com/&quot;&gt;Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS)&amp;amp; Other Rants&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:19:12 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Suzanne Reisman</dc:creator>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;A few months ago, I launched a lame protest against the unattainable beauty standard set by the &lt;i&gt;Victoria&#039;s Secret Fashion Show&lt;/i&gt;.  I was way too wussy to actually pose in my underwear, though, so I made a duct tape version of myself.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cussandotherrants.com/2006/12/cuss-presents-anti-victorias-secret.html&quot;&gt;Duct Tape Suzanne&lt;/a&gt; didn&#039;t really capture all my bulges, but she did a good enough job demonstrating that people with B cups don&#039;t explode out of bras.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recently, a number of celebrity airbrushing and other retouching incidents have come to light.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://women4hope.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/faith-hills-photoshop-retouching-on-redbook-give-me-a-break-jamie-lee-curtis-katie-couric/&quot;&gt;Catherine Morgan&lt;/a&gt; put a nice photo montage of some of the incidents on her blog; Rita Arens described the photoshopping of young pageant girls on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogher.com/free-tagging/childrens-beauty-pageants?tab=all-posts&quot;&gt;BlogHer&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://dlisted.com/node/13878&quot;&gt;D Listed&lt;/a&gt; puts up all sorts of “before” and “after” photos of the famous and retouchingly “beautiful” on his site.  Every year, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/swimsuit/collection/&quot;&gt;Sports Illustrated&lt;/a&gt; swimsuit edition contains women airbrushed to the hilt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With all the airbrushing out there, I wonder why models are even needed any more.  Magazines, advertisers, and the fashion industry could save tons of money by hiring shlubs like me at a low rate, then painting a new face or body on the picture since they are already more or less doing so.  That said, I am fed up.  Other than the Dove Real Beauty campaign, which depicts &quot;normal&quot; women of a variety of body types and ages in order to sell lotion, there are very few public images of just us regular ladies.  In fact, it seems that the availability of photo “improvement” software is leading women to increasingly despise themselves so much that they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/internet_fuels_snappy_snaps_photo_airbrush_boom_news_136720.html?aff=rss&quot;&gt;request airbrushing of every day pictures before they put photos on their My Space profiles&lt;/a&gt; or elsewhere on the internet.  Laurie Ruettimann titled her hilarious post on corporate photo IDs, &lt;a href=&quot;http://laurieruettimann.com/2007/08/14/im-so-much-prettier-when-im-airbrushed/&quot;&gt;“I’m So Much Prettier When I’m Airbrushed”&lt;/a&gt;, and a lot of women seem to believe that’s true.  Why just be you when you can be you minus 10 years, 10 (or more!) pounds, and all traces of personality?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enough is enough.  Let&#039;s fight back by reminding people that there is nothing wrong with flab, wrinkles, and character.  I’m taking the first step.  While generally I regard myself as a person with an average physique, thanks to the constant onslaught of unrealistic images that assault me every day, I tend to hate my appearance.  Bathing suits?  Suzanne Reisman Enemy #1.    If I really want to get out the message that it is OK to just be yourself, I need to accept who I am and what I look like.  (Deep breath.) Here&#039;s what I look like in my new Gottex Blue bathing suit:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cussandotherrants.com/uploaded_images/swimsuit-739764.JPG&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.cussandotherrants.com/uploaded_images/swimsuit-739196.JPG&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Am I mortified at how chubby I look compared to other the swimsuit pictures I see?  Yes, but it is me.  I shouldn&#039;t feel ashamed at not being perfect.  I&#039;m not going to any longer, and neither should anyone else.  Join the Swimsuit Brigade for Honest Photos (or give me a better title; this one seems a little heavy-handed, no?)  and stand up for normal women.   Post a picture of yourself online in your swimsuit (&lt;a href=&quot;http://thesewist.blogspot.com/2007/06/sewist-swimsuit-issue-dear-readers.html&quot;&gt;The Sewist&lt;/a&gt; beat me to this idea two months ago; she looks great.)  and place the link in the comments.  It may not be a billboard in Times Square, but it’s a start.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Models don&#039;t speak for us, and airbrushed ones even less so.  Let&#039;s represent ourselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Suzanne also blogs against the dominant beauty paradigm at &lt;a href=&quot;http://cussandotherrants.com&quot;&gt;Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS) &amp;amp; Other Rants&lt;/a&gt; A small portion of this essay is cross-posted there and includes f-bombs&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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