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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Oh God, Zuma!! I was absolutely addicted to that game a few years ago. I&#039;d thought, as several of you have mentioned, that playing video games with my kids would be a bonding thing. But Zuma captivated me to the point of &quot;Dinner? Um, just a minute, honey, mommy has to finish this level.&quot; An hour later... bad bad mommy. Shades of Myst.  I agree, plot and interaction or at least cool puzzles are key. What I&#039;m wondering is, are women into the Halo franchise? Will there be any moms or 20- or 30-something women in line at Best Buy at midnight tonight? Or is that strictly a teen boy phenom?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jackie&lt;br /&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:54:23 -0500</pubDate>
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 <title>Puzzels and female games</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Cabal&quot; sounds like a successor to &quot;Splinter Cell.&quot; I agree platform games (like Mario) are fun - negotiating a maze and winning by jumping on a sprite. My favorite of those was &quot;Pandemonium&quot; for Playstation - with a female main character. It is a lot like hopscotch.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I liked the games with humor. &quot;The Secret of Monkey Island&quot; was great, with the hero Guybrush Threepwood, who marries Governor Marley - a strong female character - and the adventures fighting Le Chuck the pirate. This came out before the films &quot;Pirates of the Caribbean,&quot; but it is out of the same sort of humor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my own life, I have found playing video games with children is a good time to bond with them, and even sometime to point out moral lessons. For example, in &quot;King&#039;s Quest IV, the Perils of Rosella,&quot; after we steal the &quot;eye of the witches&quot; do we give it back to them so the witches can again see, even though they have wished us no good? In &quot;Road Rash&quot; - granted, with an older youngster - do we run pedestrians down during the chase - for no points - or do we focus on winning the race?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also like &quot;Colonization&quot; and &quot;SimCity.&quot; Creating worlds can be fun.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:14:14 -0600</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Katherine Lawrence</dc:creator>
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 <title>Interesting perspective on gaming and women, Katherine</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;I have found both games with plots and games without to be interesting. I enjoyed Zork, the text-based adventure game you mention, by I also loved a video game called Cabal, I think, that involved going into a terrorist nest and shooting up the bad guys. A couple years ago my whole family was into Zuma, a downloadable casual game with no plot and no violence. I also play the GameCube games that my son likes, because he likes to watch other people play. So I&#039;ve played Super Mario Sunshine (sort of has a plot) and Animal Crossing (no plot, but lots of interaction). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least part of what games you like depends on what the people you hang out with like. I started playing Cabal because my boyfriend of the time liked it. I play the GameCube games because my son likes them. I may even play Metroid, a shoot-em-up game, if my son ever decides to play it. We have it but he finds it too scary so far. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure there are statistical differences in what women and men prefer, but it&#039;s hard to know what we can conclude from them. Is it about plot and interaction? Lack of female avatars or perspectives? Overuse of violence? Cartoon caricatures of women?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;40&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.annezelenka.com&quot;&gt;Anne Zelenka&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://209.59.186.51/~blogher/?q=blog/anne-zelenka&quot;&gt;BlogHer Contributing Editor, Technology &amp;amp; Web&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:35:45 -0600</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Anne Zelenka</dc:creator>
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 <title>Story Line and First Person Shooters</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;At two points in my career, about ten years apart, I managed video games stores. My first stint was in the 1990s in California for Software Etc. Then in 2003 in Massachusetts for EB.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The lay of the land changed a great deal in that time. It changed from less than 1% females to about 15% female in the &quot;cartridge systems.&quot; By that I mean systems such as Play Station, X-Box, and Gamecube as opposed to PC based software.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I cannot recall at any time, females buying the &quot;hottest&quot; games such as &quot;Halo,&quot; &quot;Splinter Cell,&quot; or even the &quot;Laura Croft&quot; series for themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The biggest volume was in &quot;Dance, Dance, Revolution&quot; and some of the puzzle games such as Busta-move (reminiscent of &quot;Tetris&quot;). &quot;Silent Hill,&quot; a mystery game with a female lead and some shooting in it, seemed to be the only real crossover title.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The video gaming industry is shaking off its roots. In 1991, Origin Systems showed one of their new role playing shooters called &quot;Wing Commander.&quot; The gamer could choose from several avatars (representations), but all were male; these were the days before Battlestar Galactica. I raised my hand and said that it would be good if a couple females were included. The Marketing Manager&#039;s mouth curled into a sneer at the suggestion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not long after, Electronic Arts (EA) acquired Origin, and the EA marketing staff had more than token women on board, and that culture changed and has continued to change.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interestingly, the chief complaint I heard from females - apart from the violence and gore of some of the games - was that &quot;they&#039;re so flat,&quot; meaning the two-dimensional screen did not draw them into the action.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It may just get down to story line. After you&#039;ve shot the enemy a few times, it gets rather predictable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The games that do well with females seem more toward the scavenger hunt or treasure hunt. &quot;Find the secret key that opens the room to get the red jewel move the rock slab aside.&quot; The old &quot;Zork&quot; game (text only) was like that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just like there are chick-flicks and dick-flicks, so too is it with the gaming industry. It&#039;s not so much that females don&#039;t like video games, it&#039;s just that there needs to be more plot and interaction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It isn&#039;t the special effects, but the story ... and we see that same phenomenon on the big and the small screen.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:45:58 -0600</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Katherine Lawrence</dc:creator>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Camilla of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.popgadget.net/2006/03/women_and_games.php&quot;&gt;Popgadget responds&lt;/a&gt; to Wired magazine&#039;s simplistic classification of women gamers:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70313-0.html?tw=rss.index&quot;&gt;Wired&lt;/a&gt; published an article about women and games, reporting how once again women who like playing games tend to be placed into two distinct categories, the casual gamers and the &quot;rough&quot; gamers. I still have quite a hard time trying to understand why someone even bothers to analyze the women&#039;s gamer market so scrupulously if the end result is so utterly lame.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As no generalization can be made for the male game consumer, so none can be made for the female one. Being a woman doesn&#039;t make you like a game genre more or less than another, though you as an individual might favor a genre over another.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Camilla doesn&#039;t agree with the Microsoftie quoted in the article who says that violence keeps women from playing certain games. Maybe some women don&#039;t go for shoot-em-ups not because of the violence but because they&#039;re just not designed to be played from a female perspective. &lt;a href=&quot;http://ninthwavedesigns.typepad.com/guilded_lilies/&quot;&gt;From Guilded Lilies&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I like shooting stuff.&amp;nbsp; The problem is that real guns make me a bit nervous, and I seem to lack the kind of enthusiasm needed to overcome my general dislike for loud noises, the smell of gunpowder, and the exaggerated masculine company that I find at the shooting range.&amp;nbsp; Plus, it&#039;s expensive.&amp;nbsp; On the other hand, for less than the price of 100 rounds I can get a First Person Shooter computer game and&amp;nbsp; have all the fun in the comfort of my own home, PLUS the added experience of a consequence free environment.&amp;nbsp; The problem with that is, even in the privacy of my own computer game environment I can&#039;t seem to get away from the exaggerated masculinity.&amp;nbsp; What&#039;s a woman to do?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Guilded Lily has some ideas about how to make violent games more attractive to women, and it doesn&#039;t have to do with making them less violent. &lt;a href=&quot;http://ninthwavedesigns.typepad.com/guilded_lilies/&quot;&gt;Read the whole thing&lt;/a&gt; for some insight from a committed female gamer. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you play any computer or video games? Which are your favorites? Does violence turn you on or off?&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:40:10 -0600</pubDate>
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