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 <title>I like you!</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you, I cannot stand Hillary Clinton or her attitude...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will vote Republican beore I vote for her. Obama anyone? &lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:06:37 -0500</pubDate>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Whenever I hear her say &amp;quot;I am a figher, so I should win!&amp;quot;, what I hear is &amp;quot;the Republicans fight dirty - but don&#039;t worry, so do I.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Are you on Crack?&amp;quot; is the best title. LOL&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Miss Britt&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.miss-britt.com&quot; title=&quot;http://www.miss-britt.com&quot;&gt;http://www.miss-britt.com&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Dignity is Overrated&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:50:14 -0500</pubDate>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Note:&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;m horrible at titles. I was thinking of two other ones: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a) &lt;em&gt;Hillary Clinton: Learn How to Count;&lt;/em&gt; or more to the point - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;b)&lt;em&gt; Are You on Crack?&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While Senator Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary by 10 points, after desperately needing and eventually receiving a double-digit lead to semi-legitimately stay in the race, she seems to think that despite being over 130 points behind Senator Obama in the delegate count, not including the popular vote &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; number of contests won, she will win. Not because she predicts that she will eventually beat him in delegate seats, oh no. But because she is the most &lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/hillary-says-shes-more-electab.php&quot;&gt;electable candidate&lt;/a&gt;, plus she is taking her &#039;wins&#039; in the Florida and Michigan primaries, which do not count. After all, who cares about the procedures, rules and regulations and all that nonsense? I wanna be president! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The day after her big win in Pennsylvania, Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday that she now has more votes than anybody who has ever run for president in a Democratic primary. &amp;quot;I&#039;m very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anybody else, and I am proud of that,&amp;quot; Clinton said at a rally in Indianapolis. &amp;quot;It&#039;s a very close race, but &lt;strong&gt;if you count, as I count, the 2.3 million people who voted in Michigan and Florida&lt;/strong&gt;, then we are going to build on that.&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/04/24/hillary-clinton-leads-the-popular-vote-in-makebelieveland/&quot;&gt;However:&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Clinton Camp Cites Real Clear Politics To Say They Are Ahead in Popular Vote--Counts FL and MI, Which the Clinton Camp Was Clear Don&#039;t Count. &lt;/strong&gt;The Clinton campaign claims that the popular vote stands at 14,973,720, or 47.4% for Obama, and 15,095,663, or 47.8% percent for Clinton. &lt;strong&gt;Real Clear Politics Makes Clear This is Wrong--Obama Leads by 500,000 in the Overall Popular Vote; 600,000 When Caucus State Estimates are Included&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• These totals count Florida and Michigan, which the Clinton campaign was clear, until they began to lose, do not count&lt;br /&gt;• The raw popular vote tally is 14,397,506, or 49.2% for Obama, and 13,896,368, or 47.5% for Clinton&lt;br /&gt;• These totals do not include the caucus states of Iowa, Nevada, Maine or Washington, which do not report popular vote totals. Real Clear Politics&#039; estimate with those states is 14,731,590, or 49.3% for Obama, and 14,120,230 or 47.2% for Clinton [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html&quot;&gt;RCP Popular Vote Tally&lt;/a&gt;] &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I watched her speech on NBC the day after her her win in Pennsylvania , I was outraged, but after my father &lt;em&gt;(big up, Poppa!)&lt;/em&gt; talked me down from the ledge, I understood her bending of the truth. After all, this wasn&#039;t the first time, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/25/wuspols225.xml&quot;&gt;right?&lt;/a&gt; Plus, politics is politics and she wants to win and if it means hoodwinking the American public whom she obviously does not credit for being bright, so be it, I guess. And as my father so aptly said, &amp;quot;if you were in that position, would you want to give up when there was a chance you could succeed?&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fair enough. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But what bothers me, especially since being that I live in another country and the 2008 election will not personally change my life as long as I remain north of the border, is what will happen to my African-American brothers and sisters. This is a politician who boasted &lt;em&gt;(along with her Harlem loving, fried chicken collard green-eating husband)&lt;/em&gt; about all that they had did for long-suffering and inept American Blacks (&lt;em&gt;yes I&#039;m being sarcastic, folks)&lt;/em&gt;. That guise held up pretty damn well until she had to run against one. Then her true colors came out. If I were...hell I ain&#039;t and I&#039;m still pissed....someone that had voted for Bill back in the &#039;90&#039;s and then all this campgain shit comes out, I&#039;d would be re-evaluating how I would ever trust a politician, especially one who has  - while yes above I dismissed it as playing politics - basically used the &lt;em&gt;&#039;race card&#039;&lt;/em&gt; to her own advantage to gain the votes of citizens whom she apparently has already decided would rather vote for a white woman than a brother. This nugget does not make her schrewd, brazenly ambitious or competitive. Shis is a wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing and someone who is quite willing to burn the bridges she has made with her black followers in order to obtain more power.  Maybe that&#039;s okay with you but it ain&#039;t with me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What about the gender card? Well, as much as I, like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://whattamisaid.blogspot.com/2008/04/you-dont-know-me-part-i-tackling.html&quot;&gt;wonderful Tami&lt;/a&gt; says, hate the fact that the media loves to group blacks into one monolitic group, has to admit that the media is also doing the same with women. In CNN&#039;s opinion, Middle aged white women who apparently are &lt;em&gt;scurred,&lt;/em&gt; or perhaps see themselves in Clinton, along with disgruntled working-class white folk, are the ones who propelled Clinton to her victory. But according to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/19/wuspols219.xml&quot;&gt;recent essay by Camille Paglia&lt;/a&gt;, her rise to power  and her loyalty to a feminist ideology and more importantly, practice, is questionable: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whatever her official feminist credo, Hillary&#039;s public career has glaringly been a subset to her husband&#039;s success. Despite her reputation for brilliance, she failed the Washington, DC bar exam. Thus her migration to Little Rock was not simply a selfless drama for love; she was fleeing the capital where she had hoped to make her mark. In Little Rock, every role that Hillary played was obtained via her husband&#039;s influence - from her position at the Rose Law Firm to her seat on the board of Wal-Mart to her advocacy for public education reform. In a pattern that would continue after Bill became president, Hillary would draw attention by expressing public &amp;quot;concern&amp;quot; for a problem, without ever being able to organise a programme for reform. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So back to the question at hand: Based on Clinton&#039;s assertions about the amount of delegates who voted for her - is she electable? Is her penchant for underhanded dirty fighting going to appeal to voters and enable her to rise above the...well what the media is reffering to Obama these days, &lt;em&gt;weaker&lt;/em&gt; candidate? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, but I have fought enought battles with former bosses, co-workers, neigbours, shop keepers and others to know that if you, as a black person start fighting back at the same level as your agressors, you are going to pay a much heavier price, which I why (in my opinion only) Obama has to watch what he says. More importantly, I believe that he wouldn&#039;t stoop to that level. Doesn&#039;t seem to have that rabid, yard dog personality trait.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel a slimy goo on my skin when I think of Hillary&#039;s assertion of being more of a &#039;fighter.&#039; Methinks that what she is really saying is that a black man, despite him being &#039;socially acceptable&#039; to the masses - i.e does not fall under the usual negative stereotypes people think about Black men - that her privldege, her legacy as former First Wife and most importantly, her whiteness is more suitable to battle John McCain. That Americans are still not ready - or at least not enough - citizens are willing to look beyond race and would feel more comfortable with two privledged whites battling it out. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but if it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck.........&lt;/p&gt;
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