BlogHer - As I Get On A Plane, Clinton Supporters Mobilize (VIDEO) - Comments

Re: Blame the woman

American only may apply — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:47:54 -0500

Dot

Clinton cannot control the will of the people anymore than Kennedy can.

Morning coffee shop questions of the day were.

Is there any agenda historical or now that would keep Kennedy from passing a torch of power to a woman?

Do you respect Kennedy's longevity or stumble over his life experiences of keeping women second class citizens despite the popular vote?

Is the party myopic, mysogenistic practices the real culprit that loses the White House in 2008?

Thank you Heather!

Denise — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:58:53 -0500

I was going to buzz you to see if you had any thoughts on this, am glad you just jumped in without the nudge.

:-)

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HeatherB — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:42:16 -0500

She is sincere. Very, very sincere. She wants and knows that the party needs to come together and what happened was obviously hard for her but she knows what is best for The Party. I'll be at a luncheon for her this week and will be able to speak to her personally then but I think that she is very sincere in her actions and intentions and only wants what is best for the country.

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Dot

American only may apply — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:33:38 -0500

Dot

The responses of the people in the Convention crowd is subdued.

Nancy Pelosi could not muster the old Party feeling of a robust Convention floor with her speech.

The outcry of support only flows when Clinton's name is mentioned.

I am interested to see where blame for that will go next.

Me thinks that the outcry for Clinton might just be her own fault. She is the people's choice and popular. OH MY MY!!!

So....now what?

RE: woman vs sheeple creators concept

American only may apply — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:25:03 -0500

Dot

"There are lots of Clinton supporters who simply believe it was time for a woman candidate and they feel like misogyny played a huge role in why she did not get the nomination. For those women, that's enough of a reason NOT to vote for Senator Obama and Senator Biden."

Does anyone recall the short speech made in 1996 by Bella Asbug to the NOW convention in Las Vegas?

The gist of her comment was " I don't know what they are so afraid of, women do not have enough power yet to even begin to corrupt it"

Comments made here appear to grant a woman Presidential candidate so much more power than she actually has been granted even by her party.

Let's face it folks, Clinton won the popular vote and has been bent over by her party.Women went to the bottom of the totem pole. How far down?

Women in both parties along with many men will support Clinton, but refuse to support Obama or Mc Cain. Historic choice is being made in the next couple of days.

Why is everyone yelling when Clinton's name is mentioned on the floor and so much silence as Pelosi names Obama?

Is that Clinton's fault or a mis step of the Democrats direction in this path?

To tred on blame games so early in the game is very telling about the lack of steam the great leaderhip of the Democrat party has.

The spouting of a Mantra that John Mc Cain is wrong isn't even supported on the floor as much as the roar when Cinton's name is mentioned.

I have never seen a convention with so many seated and sternly sitting with scowls and folded arms until Clinton's name is mentioned. Have you?

Who is out of touch?

I didn't have time to read

Trisha — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:21:57 -0500

I didn't have time to read all the comments here - but I like Hillary. But now, what's important is that we have some major changes from the past 7 years and Obama's the one to do it!

I think it would have been cool if he would have picked Hillary as his VP too - but he had to pick someone who would increase his chances of winning the most. I'm sure he had people analyzing the whole situation and they decided Biden would be best. I am hoping though that Hillary will get some good position.

my last post:

2 Reasons Why Women Should Vote for Obama

reject the next best candidate

Denise — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:41:56 -0500

I would agree with that, personally. I am not planning on rejecting the next best candidate. I just don't believe Senator Obama is the next best candidate. If I ever believe that, he'll have my vote.

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uber respectful disagreement here

Mom101 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:39:24 -0500

But no, that's not a valid reason in my book. To reject a candidate on his or her gender?

Whatever media bias there was (and there was pleeeenty as we all know) and whatever issues the American public still has with the notion of a woman in charge, well those are things we need to fix. But to reject the next best candidate, and pretty much jeopardize the country in the process? Well that's what my dad used to call cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I so appreciate hearing your POV on this Denise. It's really helpful. I guess I just feel like McCain is such bad news economically, foreign policy-wise, and for the issues that matter to women and children, it's truly hard for me to wrap my head around how pretty much the lint in my dryer trap wouldn't make a better president.

Thanks for the friendly debate.

Mom-101

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Reasons

Denise — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:29:22 -0500

Did you see RE errr sorry nellenelle's reasons for being disappointed in Obama/Biden? She won't vote republican but she may decide to toss of her vote because she was disappointed that Obama did not select a woman as VP. That's a valid reason for not voting for the O/B ticket.

There are lots of Clinton supporters who simply believe it was time for a woman candidate and they feel like misogyny played a huge role in why she did not get the nomination. For those women, that's enough of a reason NOT to vote for Senator Obama and Senator Biden.

There are lots of Clinton supporters, like me, who don't believe that Senator Obama would be an ineffective president and we would rather have an effective Republican leader than an ineffective Democratic leader.

There are lots of Clinton supporters, like me, who are very conservative Democrats and so Senator McCain is not the monster candidate that some Democrats believe him to be.

Are those enough valid reasons? I'm sure there are more, those are just the reasons I've heard and understand. :-)

~Denise
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I hear you Denise

Mom101 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:24:00 -0500

But to some of the points above, the idea that Obama is only worthy because he's a democrat (in other words, he's an unworthy candidate on the right ticket) is confusing to me. I've heard this pov before. But if you think about where he and Clinton stood on the issues, they were so so very close on so many things both philosophically and policy-wise--least of which is Supreme Court appointments!--that I never entirely understand how he can not be a good second choice to Clinton.

Or maybe I'm just a big ol' party sheep :)

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I sure wouldn't

Erin Kotecki Vest — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:23:52 -0500

...but if he told me over again I should be supporting Clinton, I would certainly listen and seriously consider.

Maybe that's what missing here...that I feel Clinton supporters haven't seriously considered voting Obama. The rhetoric has been from BEFORE she lost that they wouldn't be voting for Obama.

I heard very few Clinton supporters give reasoned arguments as to why they will not be voting Obama (you being one of the only ones speaking with solid reasons).

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Well

Jill Miller Zimon — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:08:00 -0500

I just feel that that is in fact her reality - the reality that's accumulated around her and with her participation to some extent.

My fallback position, which I happen to really believe, is that it's all Bill's fault - I mean that.

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't

Denise — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:03:02 -0500

So there's the HRC issue - she's damned no matter what she does. You say you believe she's sincere but you think others don't perceive her as sincere.

She can't win, can she? :-)

~Denise
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No, she isn't

Denise — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:59:58 -0500

Clinton's emails aren't vague. Some Clinton supporters may be suggesting that she's being vague because that's what they want or because it suits their agendas. I've not seen anything vague from Clinton herself.

I am a Clinton supporter. I still get her emails. I still follow what she is saying and what she is doing. Nothing vague from where I'm sitting.

I am a Clinton supporter who did not want her on the VP ticket. I am a Clinton supporter who is not encouraging her to run as an Independent, that's ridiculous.

I have no Clinton agenda, though if Senator Obama doesn't win this election, I would probably support another Clinton attempt in 2012 - I haven't bought the tshirt, though. :-) And no, I'm not considering a vote for McCain or not voting at all specifically for that reason.

I'm considering a vote for McCain or not voting at all because I can't vote for a Obama simply because he's a Democrat. And if I cast my vote for him, that would be the only reason to do so.

:-)

~Denise
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She's being vague

Mom101 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:52:52 -0500

I'm on a mailing list from one of her hardcore hillraisers and this woman seems to be under the impression tha Clinton is still hoping for a nomination. That she has only suspended her campaign, not ended it. That she is secretly thanking delegates for their continued suppport and they will somehow be rewarded for tearing Obama down.

Now I don't know if this woman is delusional or there is something to it, but she seems to believe very strongly that her dissemination of every digusting, Karl Rove-orchestrated smear story about Obama to her email list is something she's doing "for Clinton."

If this is the case, then not only am I hearing a half-hearted support and endorsement of the presumptive nominee from Clinton camp, but her supporters are hearing it as well.

I think it has less to do with being sheep, than hearing a pov from someone you really respect. I don't know about you, but that's why I tend to take friends into the dressing room with me and ask whether my butt loks big.

Mom-101

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As I Get On A Plane, Clinton Supporters Mobilize (VIDEO)

Erin Kotecki Vest — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:37:48 -0500

Editor's note: On her way to Denver, BlogHer's Erin Kotecki Vest taped a quick request to the senator from New York, asking whether Hillary Clinton is going to come out to the convention and ask her supporters to "quit it." The response from other Democratic BlogHers, as you will see below, is enthusiastic...also, don't miss the comments here. And now, for the original post... ~LS

On the way to Denver

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