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Respect isn't a given.

butters88 — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:01:47 -0600

I realize this is incredibly outdated, but the first thing that struck me is that most comments are from women saying more or less what you'd expect about women getting screwed in a man's world (I don't meant that as offensive, just to summarize generally what I've read). There is a very basic thing here that nobody ever seems to pick up on Palin. People only paint her as a victim because she is a woman. If everything else stayed the same, but she were just a man instead, favourable opinion of her would be even LOWER. Call it sexist, call it biology, but men resect pretty women more.

But men also understand that respect is earned, not a given. There is the basic repect for fellow Man (as in human, not just men) but when someone has power who shouldn't and is making a move for more power, they will be torn down. Women have this assumption that men just tear down women because their women. False. Men are even more vicious to other men. Only growing up, men have become accustomed to it. Girls, on the other hand, who are considered sacred are sheltered from criticism growing up and are unprepared for it.

Basic fact about Palin, I find her annoying with that constant goofy smile, her annoying accent, constant reference to herself as a "Maverick" and acting like she's some revolutionary changing the political world. But listen to ANY interview with her. She can't answer simple questions and ANY criticism of her that is read back to her is the fault of the person commenting on her. She attempts to discredit the person to discredit the argument.

It isn't about her being a woman in a man's world (that whole idea makes me want to vomit, how bad women have it. but sorry, thats for another day.) its about her being an idiot in a world that needs better. Hilary isn't better because she's a liberal, but because she's intelligent and articulate.

Respect is something

mauraH — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:38:00 -0500

Respect is something everything and everyone deserves. I can respect that Sarah Palin is a being with her own views. What is important is to clarify to young women appropriateness and the difficulty of being in a man's world. There are definately things Sarah Palin could change in her demeanor that would give her a more professional vibe.

The problem I have with

mauraH — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:28:40 -0500

The problem I have with Sarah Palin is that this is an election, not a beauty pageant. It is NOT appropriate to teach young girls that winking at the camera and being "cutesy" is the way to present themselves in a professional setting. It comes across to me as manipulative, partially because she didn't even answer the questions in the debate and also because her facts (including saying the wrong name when referring to General McKiernan calling him "McClellan") were faulty. As the "second sex", we have to surpass the qualifications as well as the expectations of any MAN in the given field. Sarah Palin does not have REAL respect from most-- that is why when they say "she surpassed our expectations" she gets a pat on the back. Maybe some women are satisfied with that. However, I am not. Every woman who is out in the public eye the way she is represents all women. Men love to see weak women like her who don't have it all together, it reinforces what they believe already. That women are the weaker sex. Let's get a woman up there who can CHALLENGE Biden, and then I'll give her some respect for what she is doing. There are no participation ribbons in the real world. Do we really want our young women to believe that a manipulative visual presentation will get them far in life?

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traceesioux — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:34:25 -0500

Everything I say about how girls will interpret negative, objectifying, name-calling, comments about Sarah Palin goes double for boys.

Please, we've got to teach boys that it's okay for women to hold power, for women to participate, for women to be criticized for politics and not appearance, ideas and not clothes, etc.

This moment, and our reaction to it, will have a huge impact in shaping the gender roles and ideas about gender roles for our children's generation.

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Hate her? Love her? Respect Her

traceesioux — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:25:06 -0500

I think all human beings are worthy of respect. Even if they make choices I hate or even if they hold different views.

I ask "my children to respect someone they disagree with" every day (especially my daughter who disagrees with ME all the time, but it doesn't give her a right to take that tone with me). I tell them it's called being polite, having manners, playing nicely, behaving in public, learning to get along, working things out, etc.

No one is suggesting that you vote for her. Only that you are careful in choosing the words you use to say why you won't.

I made exactly the same argument to parents who weren't thrilled with Hillary Clinton as a candidate for President.

My hope is that women will never be left off either party's ticket again in my daughter's lifetiime. Here's hoping Sarah Palin is the first and not the last.

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I still scold my kids

Jill Miller Zimon — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:55:25 -0500

When they say they hate something or use the s word which is "stupid" in our house - luckily they don't use the other word. I'm really rigid with language.

Hate and stupid are reserved for incredibly extreme cases.

And I'll add that I work with elementary school kids writing up "articles" for classroom newspapers and you have no idea what it's like getting them to describe things - show not tell.

So far, Palin is doing a lot of telling - she needs to do some showing, or people will just stop listening and consider her not a credible source, among other things.

And I will go on the record and say that any time ANY candidate isn't showing but is only telling, you ask them - you get them to SHOW you what they mean.

Here's a link to a column I wrote that is about how I worked to get the kids to show and not tell when it comes to their writing. If you read that, you'll know what I mean. It's about really being sure you have a description of why you feel what you feel and aren't just shouting out, "Oh that's so stupid!" "Why?" "Because it's just so...stupid!!"

Jill
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I'm sure there's someone who disagrees

Jill Miller Zimon — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:43:48 -0500

But your comment is going in my bad day file - for those days when I need to remember people have said good things about me. :)

Thank you - very much.

Jill
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(Side note: U rock!)

Atena — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:33:38 -0500

Just a little aside: I've been reading your comments all week Jill - you are on fire! I am so impressed! Fact checking, challenging, clarifying - and all the while being incredibly polite, even-handed and respectful. You deserve a Model Political Blogger award. (You and Professor Kim, whom I've always admired for those same qualities.)

Kudos!

-Atena

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I agree...

Atena — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:30:11 -0500

I'm right there with you, Tracee.

A lot of us are pissed about the Sarah Palin choice. But to fall into name-calling and personal attacks, etc. is counterproductive. And to talk about disliking her so intensely without explaining the reasons why (or providing superficial reasons) sends a loud, clear message to kids: It's okay to bash people openly if we don't like them, whatever the reasons may be.

Jill - I agree that critical thinking skills should be applied here, and what a great opportunity to teach them! We can tell our kids, "I don't think she makes good choices, but that doesn't mean it's okay to be mean to her or make fun of her." What a great way to teach our kids about self-control, reasoning, constructive criticism, etc.

I think this is important, even if it infuriates me that she would never defend me the way that I will defend her, because don't we want to teach children to treat people well 'cause it's the right thing to do? That's what I'm trying to do with my daughter.

I've been particularly impressed with the leftie feminist blogosphere in this regard - by and large, the message has been, "Criticize her politics, lay off her personl business!" I just have to remember to not start cursing at the TV (which I larglely solve by not watching TV). 'Cause the kids are watching and learning. Always.

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Well put! I would like to see more Yay's and less Boos

karenkay — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:29:28 -0500

Why was there so much booing at the RNC? I really got offended. I agree we don't need to spread anymore hate. I really with a capital R hope McCain doesn't get elected especially now that he has chosen Palin as his runningmate, but I still have to admit that in a lot of ways I do admire the woman. I just do not agree with her politically and would not want her running my country. That's all. It has nothing to do with hate.

Yet I feel hatred from the Republicans. It is really demoralizing. Is that what they want to do? Make half the country feel defeated? Surely not!

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Well said, Sally Bee

nakedanarchists — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:26:56 -0500

I wouldn't ask my daughters to respect someone they disagree with because they are a man. I certainly won't tell them to do it for Palin because she is a woman. I will teach my daughters to celebrate the pioneers who advanced equality in our society. Believe me, Palin is not even mentioned in that conversation. http://nakedanarchists.wordpress.com

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Sallybelle75 — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:18:11 -0500

For me, loathing her is something that has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman. I can't and wont bring myself to support her just because she's a woman. I don't support her because I disagree with pretty much everything she stands for. I think that should be the message we give daughters--look at a person's values, not their sex.

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We should talk to our sons as well

MMarquit — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:09:48 -0500

Don't forget that we need to talk to our sons as well. How we react to this pivotal moment in history will help shape what the next generation of men think about how they will deal with a more equitable power sharing arrangement with women in the political realm.

I am very careful to talk about Gov. Palin in a way that lets my son understand that I find it interesting and exciting that a woman has made it so far, while at the same time making it clear that I don't agree with her politics or many of her public policy decisions.

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Agreed

Southerngirl — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:59:47 -0500

I think you make a very valid point. I have my problems with Gov. Palin but hating her is something far beyond my realm. I am raising a girl and I want her to feel empowered and respected at all times. Children hear us and they watch us. But I also would like to know what my kids really think. I want them to be able to form their own opinions. I think the part of Obama's speech that says something like you may not agree with me on.... but we can find common ground and work together. I think we should practice that politically.

Michelle

I've never said I hate Sarah

miteegirl — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:51:07 -0500

I've never said I hate Sarah Palin.

I'm sure that there are absolutely NO Republicans who have ever said that they hate Hillary Clinton. Or Nancy Pelosi. Or...____(fill in the blank with any female Democrat here)_____

Yes, I agree that the politics of hate in this country have got to go.

What should we all, Republicans AND Democrats, do about that?

I Hate Sarah Palin!

traceesioux — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:12:29 -0500

As an advocate for girls let me make the following plea on behalf of your daughter:

Please, please, please speak respectfully
of the one and only female candidate the Repubican Party has ever put
on their ticket for Vice President of the United States - Sarah Palin.

What
you say about Sarah Palin has the potential to translate to your
daughters as your opinion of all women (including your daughter)
seeking power.

Disrespectful criticism has the potential to translate, "I only respect other women if they agree with me." Your daughter may one day disagree with you. This moment, and your reaction, won't be forgotten by her.

Your
example will also teach her how she should expect to be treated by
those who disagree with her and how she should treat those who disagree
with her.

In other words -

Mothers - don't be a mean mommy and you won't create a mean girl.

Fathers
- don't reduce her to whether you'd have sex with her and you won't
create a daughter who gets her self-worth from her sexuality or appearance.

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