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What's up with the constant

evilslutopia — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:04:05 -0500

What's up with the constant ageism? You do realize that McCain is older than Biden, right? Do you constantly refer to McCain as "that old guy from the Senate"?

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Glad you got a laugh out of

evilslutopia — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:57:10 -0500

Glad you got a laugh out of the link. Too bad you didn't actually read or understand any of it.

Apparently writing the Violence Against Women Act doesn't count as "accomplishing anything" to you. Interesting.

Could you name something that Palin has accomplished as far as women's rights? And no, having babies and joining the PTA don't count.

And if you want to talk about working your way up in record time - Joe Biden was elected to the Senate at age 30, the minimum allowed age.

At least we provided a link that contains actual information about Biden's record, as opposed to "hahaha biden's old! hahaha palin rules lol!"

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Not sure exactly what you're

evilslutopia — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:41:46 -0500

Not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Biden has worked for social change throughout his career, so he's suddenly not for change now?

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Pro-Abortion In One Instance

MLOKnitting — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:33:07 -0500

I am PRO-ABORTION when the fetus is already DEAD or will die an agonizing death within minutes of birth. You know what? Not all bodies will expel the "products of conception." I tire of the falsehoods spread by the anti-choice groups. Oh, and anyone who thinks anti-abortion laws don't interfere with proper medical treatment in such cases should look at existing laws governing allowed medical treatment in states such as Michigan. If you investigate every last anti-choice group, they are also anti-birth control and getting funding from religious institutions. Please keep religion out of government.

This brings me to why Sarah Palin is the worst candidate ever put on any ticket - she is associated with Dominionism. We do not need another four years of such nonsense. If you do not know what a Dominionist is, I urge you to research it. It is a very scary sub-cult of the Religious Right who believe that it is their duty to usher in the Second Coming of Christ - by any means necessary. I remember them announcing their plans in the 1980s. MLO / Melissa

Fact vs Fiction

KiwisCanFly — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:15:58 -0500

tracycoyle

Executive experience is meaningless if one is incompetent.

Palin’s style of governing was unorthodox and at times impulsive. Although she boasts of a record as a fiscal conservative, she raised the sales tax while she was in office. She left the town saddled with millions of dollars in debt from the building of a new sports complex, and with legal fees, because she had failed to secure title to the land on which the complex was built.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/09/22/080922fa_fact_gourevitch?printable=true

Also: Gov Palin as Mayor of Wasilla took office with a population of approx 5,500.

YUP PLUS

KiwisCanFly — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:48:28 -0500

Sen McCain’s age is a legitimate worry for me.

Fiorina eludes to ageism simply as a ploy to get off the subject and project another distraction rather than address issues.

The McCain campaign will maintain the distractions.

Similarly, any legitimate questions (which are increasingly going unanswered) of Palin are being pushed aside as either sexist or not adequately deferential.

My folks and my MIL are of McCain’s generation. They have plenty of ‘senior moments’ and we all laugh.

My Pop, is really fit for 74 years young. But I wouldn’t want him to take on a job like the POTUS at his age. The stress would kill him.

Which brings me back to Gov Palin??

I disagree...

nelle2nelle — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:41:03 -0500

An oil spill is a one shot and done tragedy that cannot really be undone. And judging by Exxon's conduct post Valdez, we can hardly expect the Oils to clean up after themselves.

I don't live in Florida, but I'd be curious to know what percentage of Floridians support drilling off their coasts...

And how about Chesapeake, if oil were there? One major spill and an incredible biosphere would be destroyed.

I don't see that risk as worth any amount of energy we pull out of the ground. As with our deficits, we would be borrowing against the future of our children.

No thank you.

nelle

llhaesa

Another perspective

KiwisCanFly — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:11:32 -0500

Tracycoyle

No dispute with Gov Palin’s 6yrs Municipal and 21mths State executive experience.

Since accepting the VP nomination and regardless of her gender, she is being vetted at a national level. Examining her record is a legitimate act.

As Gov Palin’s record is exposed, the media and the public are questioning her competence in her executive decision making. This is fair?

Obama wasn’t belittling Palin’s experience as Mayor in Wasilla (BTW 5,500 pop when she took office). He was comparing the executive experience between them.

He has a legitimate argument.

Palin has cited her mayoral work as a central part of her qualification to serve as governor. "It's not rocket science. It's $6 million and 53 employees."

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8334949p-8231037c.html

Mr. Giuliani said, “Barack Obama has never led anything, nothing, nada,”

But he has.

‘Obama for America’ is the largest organization Obama has ever run.

Obama runs a tight ship with a drama-free campaign.

Can the same be said of Palin‘s executive record?

Obama was drawing a comparison with his executive experience of leading a very successful campaign. Millions of constituents, a staff of 2500, payrolls, a budget of millions per month, and scheduling over a 50 state strategy.

His community organizing experience (that Sarah derided) has helped develop the foundation of his pragmatic, political style.

“The clinging to guns etc” Obama comment, is one of those that I wish he hadn’t said. However, I am not convinced it’s an untruth. No offense.

Concerning, Sen Biden, u make valid points.

Biden’s modest wealth, when compared to other politicians, with his long tenure in Federal Legislation tends to confirm he is an honest man.

Perhaps, that is my bias that I think very wealthy politicians are more likely to be crooked.

Obama often refers to himself as an ‘imperfect servant’. He has written about his transgressions.

He has been vetted nationally over an extended period, Gov Palin’s is only just started. Any benefit to the Obama campaign concerning exposé of Palin’s record is fair game, regardless of her gender, but not because of it.

Honesty is a moral principle?

KiwisCanFly — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:00:46 -0500

tracycoyle

“I support Sarah Palin because she is a principled conservative politician.”

One of the reasons why I could not support Gov Palin is because I do not perceive her as a principled politician.

Sen McCain, the GOP and Gov Palin are touting her as a champion anti-earmark person.

All the rhetoric in the world (as Obama critics repeatedly tell us) doesn’t change the record.

On Friday, in an interview with ABC News anchor Charles Gibson, Palin was asked whether she was in agreement with McCain that earmarks should be eliminated.

"I certainly am," Gov Palin said

Just this year, Palin sent to Sen. Ted. Stevens, R-Alaska, a proposal for 31 earmarks totaling $197 million more, per person, than any other state.

When Palin as mayor of Wasilla, she obtained about $27 million in federal “earmarks” during her last four years in office, according to the watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense

This hypocrisy is being exposed during Palin's national vetting. Dare I question when Gov Palin picked up the mantle for anti-earmark championship?

Conversely, Sen Obama is walking the talk.

Obama supports reforming earmark allocation.

Obama supports more transparency and accountability in government.

Obama worked with Sen Coburn, to draft and pass the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act. GW signed this measure into law in September 2006.

According to the nonpartisan watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense, Obama has asked for nearly $1 billion in earmarks during his Senate term. But the group gives him credit for disclosing his requests, which most members of Congress don't do.

Obama has not made any requests for the next fiscal year, and even when he was asking for earmarks, he was far from the worst offender, the group says.

"Just to put it into perspective, he got $98 million worth of earmarks in fiscal year 2008. Sen. Clinton got more than $300 million in earmarks, and Sen Cochran, Republican of the [Senate] Appropriations Committee, got $800 million in earmarks," Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense said.

Obama says

“We can no longer accept a process that doles out earmarks based on a member of Congress' seniority, rather than the merit of the project,"

"The entire earmark process needs to be re-examined and reformed. For that reason, I will be supporting Sen. DeMint's amendment and will not be requesting earmarks this year for Illinois,"

Now this is honesty, I relate to.

Over-reaction distorting the real

KiwisCanFly — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:15:02 -0500

debontherocks

U may adore Sen Obama, but I do not agree with your analysis.

If as u assert, Palin has ownership of the idea of putting lipstick on power.

Then u have defeated your own argument.

When both Obama and McCain used this political cliché they are referring to bad policies that no matter how they are dressed up are still bad policies.

McCain referring to Sen Clinton’s Health Reform.

Obama referring to McCain’s Economic plans.

No context in either of their remarks concerning any form of power. Just healthy debate over issue differences.

Following the distorted logic of Obama accusers and putting his statement into context, then Palin would have to be the lipstick and McCain the pig.

It is obvious to any fair-minded person that Obama did not mean anything detrimental to Gov Palin.

We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
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Where someone might have been...

nelle2nelle — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:36:19 -0500

is not necessarily the issue. It might prove interesting, might prove a solid debate point, but the real issue is perception.

You cannot debate any given person's perception. That comes with reaction to an issue they hear. Now they might be willing to ponder the issue, to hear other sides, but in the end, that is possibility, one they actively have to choose, whereas perception rises from the moment we hear something like 'lipstick on a pig.'

Setting aside the fact that this sort of comment sometimes gets tossed at tg folk (for the record, I rarely wear lipstick - or any makeup, like *maybe* once a year, and if I do, it is exceedingly light) and it can cut, it can upset, it can hurt.

Yes, McCain said it, but McCain didn't get an adverse reaction; he does not have this as an issue to overcome. Overcoming issues is vital to a campaign; creating issues to overcome is highly detrimental. It means you have to cover unanticipated ground, instead of plodding onward on message. It means you have to explain, deal with the reaction, and try to defuse.

In a year where women are particularly engaged and paying attention, the mistakes of the past 3 weeks are huge, huge and self-destructive.

Obama has to actively cater to women, not toss out comments that can be perceived as insults, even if unintended. Every vote has to be won, and alienating a very sizeable voting block is incredibly inane strategy.

Along with this, he has to really pay attention to these toss away comments, he has to ponder them from the perspective of those hearing the message, how it might play. This is a common sense thing, a sign of 'getting it' on issues important to women, on the issues we face. He needs to act like he understands and appreciates.

nelle

llhaesa

hahahahaha....

tracycoyle — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:03:31 -0500

hahaha....oh, that is priceless! oh...good laugh...honorary...ahhhhh.

Ok.

As Senator, Biden MAY have been working to do good things for women, but actually accomplishing anything? Not likely. And of course, Palin can't be working to do good things for women if she benefits from that effort so, breaking a few glass ceilings doesn't count. BUT, on October 2(?), we can compare them standing side by side.

And old guy in the same job for 35 years will look REAL good next to young woman that has worked her way up from PTA to Governor in about half that time.

But go ahead and compare the records - just for grins.

Change

tracycoyle — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:39:17 -0500

Biden has won his reelections to the Senate with an average 60% of the vote, an impressive number. But, does this sound familiar?

Biden's campaign had virtually no money, was managed by his sister
Valerie Biden Owens (who would go on to manage his future campaigns as
well) and staffed by other members of his family, and relied upon
handed-out newsprint position papers.[20] Biden's campaign issues focused on withdrawal from Vietnam, the environment, civil rights, and "change".

An agent of change?

Great point. Guess it's

evilslutopia — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:31:57 -0500

Great point. Guess it's okay to focus on Palin's looks and objectify her, as long as you're a Republican.

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You're right about one thing

evilslutopia — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:28:04 -0500

You're right about one thing - we would absolutely LOVE to start talking more about how Palin compares to Biden, because Senator Biden has a long record of working to do good things for women and Palin...doesn't.

http://evilslutopia.com/2008/09/joe-biden-honorary-vagina-american.html

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Liberal Chauvinist Pigs

BackyardConservative — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:04:41 -0500

Since Alaska Governor Sarah Palin became the choice to round out the
GOP ticket for Sen. John McCain, there's been a firestorm of reaction, much of it ecstatic, much of it appalling. What we have witnessed is shocking and disheartening to those of us in our 50's and older who thought we had laid major sexism to rest in the 80's. We did see new evidence of this in the mainstream media's treatment of Hillary Clinton, but I thought it was just as much an issue of most of the media being biased--come on, you know they were starstruck--toward Barack Obama. As far as the liberal blogosphere, I think it had to do with their relative youth--let's face it, they're a foul-mouthed majority male bunch. And after all, we conservatives are used to being given the back of the mainstream media's hand.

But the vile character assassination of Sarah Palin has reached a fever pitch. And now Barack Obama is piling on. Monday he patted Palin on the head, much as he did Hillary in the primary. Yesterday, in Lebanon, Virginia, Barack Obama went overt:

"That's not change," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
"You know, you can put lipstick on a pig," Obama said, "but it's still a pig."

The crowd rose and applauded, some of them no doubt thinking he may have been alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."

A pig. Lipstick on a pig. And the crowd laughed. They laughed. What should we call this swinish, misogynist behavior?

Maybe he just can't help himself. Does the expression male chauvinist pig come to mind? But this isn't just a slip of a tongue-- it's a pattern. It's deliberate:

Obama made a sexualized attack on Palin, comparing her to a pig. This is exactly the same sort of thing that he did in the primary. Earlier in the cycle I noted:

Jake Tapper first noted this when Obama said that Hillary was "taking out the claws." At the same time he noted that Obama would use "[l]anguage such as 'when she's feeling down' 'periodically' she 'launches attacks.'" Tapper noted that a number of female reporters and bloggers picked up on this. Later Obama complained that Hillary was "throwing the China" at him. Again, Tapper heard the dog whistle. Tapper noted that this "feeds into the 'harridan' caricature of Clinton."

This is the stuff that alienated Hillary Clinton voters.

This is the supposed post-partisan uniter Barack Obama, all Hope and Change, these are his supporters. And his running mate, Joe Biden, says Sarah Palin's candidacy is a step back for women, as if we couldn't assess her for ourselves.

Let's look at how the mainstream media has been treating working mom Sarah Palin. No credible person, blogger or otherwise, can honestly say she hasn't been attacked as a working mom.
And it's a double standard. If you're a conservative woman you're supposed to stay home and stay in the kitchen, is that it? Your parenting skills can be questioned, while smug liberal media moms get a pass-- they're some of the ones saying it.

How about the liberal blogs, now practically joined at the hip with the supposedly objective press. Arianna thinks Sarah's a distracting Trojan moose(!?), stay classy Arianna. And a successful conservative woman with more executive experience than Barack Obama is a distraction? Leftist Salon says she's a dominatrix. Salon also compares her to Muslim fundamentalists, comparing her Christianity to the terrorist organization Hamas. This is deeply offensive, and the positions Cole cites are smears of her beliefs. Check her record, please, stop the smears.

Madonna or whore --the way women have been controlled and demeaned for centuries. And this is all coming from so-called "progressives". HotAir:

I find this fortnight of reaction utterly fascinating. When challenged by a strong, self-made woman, what has the mainstream media done? They have painted her as:

A hick

A slut

A bubble-headed beauty queen

A bad mother

[snip]
Some of us scoffed at the notion that Hillary Clinton got victimized by a sexist media. I’d say that the profession is doing its level best to cinch that reputation with its unhinged attacks on Palin. In the end, though, this is much more about them than it is about Palin, and it’s pretty disturbing.

Now they are going after her special needs baby.

In contrast to these pure slime excuse for men, Todd Palin. And a message to mothers.

The Anchoress sums it up.

And I say--Liberal Chauvinist Pigs. The rest of us are riled up. Casting pearls before swine.

They will rue the day.

UPDATE: It's clearly an agreed upon tactic and imagery. The Politico:

Democratic Congressman Russ Carnahan on Tuesday – introducing Joe Biden at a campaign event – ripped into Palin’s record and punctuated it with this snarky jab. “There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,” he said. Later in the day, Obama used a variation of the lipstick line, though he was clearly talking about the McCain-Palin reform rhetoric. "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig."

UPDATE: Remember this?

And this. And Alice Palmer.

Contributing Editor Anne Leary also blogs at BackyardConservative and UNCoRRELATED