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Thanks for adding the link

Virginia DeBolt — Mon, 04 May 2009 16:32:13 -0500

to the discussion. It's a slightly different slant with some good resources.

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Just posted on Fast Company by Allyson Kapin:

Lisa Stone — Mon, 04 May 2009 16:23:16 -0500

Who's to Blame for Creating the Digital Ceiling?

No time to read it because I'm on deadline, but she and I emailed about it end of last week/over the weekend. She's going to keep updating I think.

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Yes I do!

Lisa Stone — Mon, 04 May 2009 15:53:14 -0500

That's a terrific response to a quintessential "learning moment." Bravo Drupal.

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Drupal also had an issue

shelleyp — Mon, 04 May 2009 15:39:57 -0500

Drupal also had an issue with a feminine figure used in the design for the Drupalcon web site.

Rather than be defensive, the Drupal conference leadership owned up to the problem, per this post. De money quote:

"I’ll say again: it matters little who wins the Louise argument. What matters is that we didn’t consider one of our design choices carefully enough. The fact that we only had the best intentions doesn’t change the fact that we offended a fair number of both men and women.

I personally learned that there’s no hiding behind “we didn’t intend to” – often times sexism isn’t intended, but that doesn’t make it less real. Cultural differences go a way into explaining why at first we
didn’t think this was such a big deal, but they don’t justify ignoring the issue altogether."

See why I like Drupal?

Django, Ruby on Rails and futurecasting

Lisa Stone — Mon, 04 May 2009 15:00:00 -0500

Virginia, you always manage to break down the fundamentals in such a professional way -- as do many of the people commenting here. Starting with Ms. Jen: What better lesson could a community that lives or dies by its developers take than your decision to move toward Django, an environment where you feel welcome? People like this are giving up marketshare, whether they know it or not. Bangpound, welcome to discussion - we haven't met.

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I can't stop

Virginia DeBolt — Mon, 04 May 2009 08:58:13 -0500

giggling.

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I find it ironic that

shelleyp — Mon, 04 May 2009 08:48:32 -0500

I find it ironic that another talk occuring at the same time is titled "Rails is from Mars, and Ruby is from Venus" and has the following description:

Rails Is from Mars, Ruby Is from Venus

Rails Has Opinions and Ruby Likes To Talk
Ruby Loves You But Sometimes You Drive Her Crazy
Ruby Likes It When You Do Things Her Way
Rails Performance Enhancement (or, Don’t Be Premature)

Interesting connection

Virginia DeBolt — Mon, 04 May 2009 07:55:13 -0500

A May 3 article in the Boston Globe correlates with this discussion. It's The Female Advantage and is actually talking about women in business.

"If you take a company in 2009, and it has no women on its board, you've got a troubled company," says Harvey Wagner, a business professor at the University of North Carolina who helped conduct the study.
. . .
Organizations that are sensitive to these issues [gender diversity and corporate performance], and are therefore closer to being genuine meritocracies, tend to thrive.

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I wasn't crazy about

Virginia DeBolt — Sun, 03 May 2009 13:24:19 -0500

the multiple partners one either.

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The image that made me the angriest

LPC — Sun, 03 May 2009 13:00:07 -0500

http://amidlifeofprivilege.blogspot.com

The image that made me the angriest was the one on scalability. Not pornographic per se. A little chick, arrow, a phalanx of young women. Quite obviously, chicks. A commodity. Something to portray multiples, fungible, blade servers, racks and racks of them. And I use the word rack advisedly.

A dignified stand

bangpound — Sun, 03 May 2009 10:41:39 -0500

Thanks for pointing me to Liz's comment. Probably shouting isn't helpful... standing up would be a strong signal.

Standing up in a presentation will take courage and confidence, but it also signals to others who may be unsure or lacking confidence that their reaction is not isolated. We also can leverage the real time communication tools that are often employed at tech conferences -- Twitter, IM and IRC -- to get other perspectives.

The tactic of disruption by standing up or on a chair is probably a good one, and it's useful to agree on this before the time comes to do it!

There also needs to be an understanding of threshold (i.e. when to stand up vs. when to confront the speaker after his/her presentation), and this will vary by community and context.

In your experience

Virginia DeBolt — Sun, 03 May 2009 09:31:36 -0500

with diversity work, did it make a difference to call people out by name?

I hesitated about naming the presenter and also about naming @dhh in this post. I don't know them, they may be very nice men. But in the end, I did name them.

Maybe this uproar won't convince every man who was at GoGaRaCo, but it may convince these two (in spite of the lame apology that was posted).

On the other hand, the predatory male who approached my friend has been called out before by name by other women, and he's still at it.

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Not just for women

Virginia DeBolt — Sun, 03 May 2009 09:23:56 -0500

You commented, "Is there any way we can address these issues in the moment?"

Your idea about standing on a chair and shouting, or Liz's idea about just standing up and being seen are both good ideas. So often we just sit there and hide. Maybe we should stand up and shout.

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Outrageous not just for women.

bangpound — Sun, 03 May 2009 09:08:51 -0500

In the tech communities where I work, the people in the community have a wide diversity of backgrounds. We have youth (legal minors) who contribute code. We have people from all faith traditions who do great work on the project. (We also have progressive sex therapists and adult web site creators in the community, too!)

It's a shocking embarrassment. The disrespect toward women is obvious to me, but the other effects of this kind of presentation also need to be stated. If I were the parent of a young contributor and I were chaperoning my child at the conference, I might reconsider whether this community was suitable for my child. If I were a Muslim or Christian developer, I might feel marginalized and out of place. And for what? I'm put off not for any substantive difference about beliefs, development strategy, etc., but just because some guy on stage thinks he has a funny joke.

Is there any way we can address these issues in the moment? I feel like if I had been at the presentation, I would have had a hard time not standing on my chair and shouting.

Wow!

Candelaria Silva — Sun, 03 May 2009 07:54:20 -0500

Weary and angry and amazed. Unfortunately, talking about these sorts of issues seems to never work on the people who most need to hear the excellent analysis of your post and the comments above. Certain men simply shut down when women are telling them their truths, opinions, and - heaven forbid - feelings.

This is one of the reasons I stopped doing diversity work and attending most diversity conferences. The people who attend got it, the people who didn't come or were forced to come didn't. It seems that every few years something like this happens.

Sexual images - which these were - are not appropriate at a professional confrence. He could have been edgy by using images of people's feet.

It would be wonderful if women could flood these sorts of conferences, owned half of all the companies (if not more) and changed this crap inside out.

BTW - thanks for the info about SxSW - I've heard wonderful things about it from many quarters. Nice to see that it's great because of thoughtful, responsible leadership.

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A Tipping Point for Women in Tech? Here's hoping.

Virginia DeBolt — Sat, 02 May 2009 08:34:44 -0500

Once upon a time there was a fellow who had a presentation to give at a tech conference. He planned to talk about code and databases. He thought it would be a good idea to make his presentation interesting, since his topics were a bit of a yawn. He decided it would grab attention and be funny if he interspersed images of women in pornographic poses among his slides of code and bullet points.

It did grab attention. But it wasn't funny.

That fellow was Matt Aimonetti. The tech conference was the Golden Gate Ruby Conference. The presentation opens with this image:

Here's the full presentation: CouchDB: Perform like a pr0n star. I suggest you look through the slides and form an opinion of your own before reading on. It is enlightening to read the comments following the presentation, too.

There weren't many women in the audience, but there were women in the audience. This was a national conference, not a gathering of teenager boys in a smelly upstairs bedroom. The women in the audience found the slides objectionable. Quite a few of the men in the audience did, too.

The first comments about the presentation, naturally, appeared on Twitter. Use the hashtag #gogaruco if you'd like to read through them all. Notable among those tweets was this one by dhh:

Who is dhh? The creator of Ruby on Rails!

Yes, the creator of Ruby on Rails thought it was funny. He wasn't the only male who defended the presentation as edgy and funny and appropriate.

Rails activist Mike Gunderloy didn't agree. In fact, in A Painful Decision, he said,

There has been some discussion in recent days in the Rails community about appropriate conference presentations, whether women feel welcome in the Rails community, and related issues. I don’t intend to review the entire mess here - you can find it if you want it. For what it’s worth, I think the original presentation was an inappropriate and regrettable mistake. However, far more disturbing to me are the reactions to the discussion on the part of some of the Rails community.
. . .
But unfortunately for me, in parallel to the public discussion there have been private ones. I can’t reveal details without breaking confidences, but suffice it to say that a significant number of Rails core contributors - with leadership (if that’s the right word) from DHH - apparently feel that being unwelcoming and “edgy” is not just acceptable, but laudable. The difference between their opinions and mine is so severe that I cannot in good conscience remain a public spokesman for Rails.

So, effective immediately, I’m resigning my position with the Rails Activists.

Aimee, a Rails programmer herself, writes at A little place of calm. Here's part of her reaction in Distressing times for the Rails community.

Unexpected pornography at a professional conference surprises me, shocks me a little. I wonder whether Matt Aimonetti, at any point during the preparation of that presentation, thought "This is likely to offend some people", and if so, whether Matt decided not to care.

The refusal of some Rails representatives to even acknowledge that there is a problem angers me.

Aimee's comments seem relevant to an article by Raina Kelley in Newsweek called Generation Me.

Perhaps, one day, we will say that the recession saved us from a parenting ethos that churns out ego-addled spoiled brats. And though it is too soon to tell if our economic free fall will cure America of its sense of economic privilege, it has made it much harder to get the money together to give our kids six-figure sweet-16 parties and plastic surgery for graduation presents, all in the name of "self esteem." And that's a good thing, because as Jean Twenge and W. Keith Campbell point out in their excellent book "The Narcissism Epidemic," released last week, we've built up the confidence of our kids, but in that process, we've created a generation of hot-house flowers puffed with a disproportionate sense of self-worth (the definition of narcissism) and without the resiliency skills they need when Mommy and Daddy can't fix something.

I extrapolate from this discussion of a narcissism disorder among a percentage of generation me to mean that perhaps a certain breed of geek thinks that his opinions are universal and no one could possibly be offended by what he finds funny. The Rails community needs a dose of reality to wake them from their narcissistic adolesecent male world view.

Matt Amionetti did respond to the uproar he wrought, on his blog The Merblist in On Engerdering Strong Reactions.

To start with, I would like to make it clear to everyone that I do sincerely care about the larger gender issues that my presentation touched off. I have also replied and otherwise corresponded with everyone who has contacted me about my presentation, just as I have tried to reply to all of the blog posts that have been brought to my attention. At this point, however, it is clear that this issue has grown too large to be resolved through one-on-one contact, hence this public statement.

He says that the conference organizers warned conference goers that materials in his presentation might be offensive to some, so anyone who came did so after being warned and knew what they were getting into. He plans to attend a panel about Women in Rails at an O'Reilly Rails Conference on May 5. The speakers at this panel discussion are all women: Desi McAdam (Hashrocket Inc and DevChix Inc), Sarah Mei (LookSmart), Lori Olson (Dragon Sharp Consulting). (That would be an interesting place to lurk.)

Liz Keogh read Matt's justification for his presentation and wrote a brilliant analysis of how the brain associates information. Her article is I am not a Pr0n Star: avoiding unavoidable associations. I hope you read all of it. Here are some highlights.

The human brain consists of a bunch of neurons, between which connections and pathways are built. Those pathways form associations. There are associations of which we’re conscious, associations of which we’re not conscious, and a blurred space in between.
. . .
Human beings learn associations by - amongst other things - proximity; either in time, or in place. That is; they will build associations more easily if two or more things are experienced close together.

If you’ve watched Matt’s slideshow, and you find yourself using CouchDB on a project in the future, will you be thinking of his slideshow? It was very memorable. I think I will find it hard in the future to disassociate that slideshow from the featured product. That’s a conscious association I’ve built. I’m aware of it.

There’s a subconscious association going on in that show, too; another proximity which is harder to spot. We’ve just experienced words of technology - key phrases like scalability, REST, public interfaces - with images of women whom we’re told are available for visual sexual gratification. There are a few men in some of the images; they appear to me to be in positions of power and influence. The images of women, on the other hand, tend to be submissive. So we’re learning, subconsciously, that women associated with technology are also associated with sexual gratification and submissiveness. (The only strong women in the slideshow are associated with conflict, which we try to avoid.)
. . .
If you were sitting in Matt’s presentation, or have experienced similar presentations or associations in the past:

you might consciously choose to wear a topless women on your t-shirt, because your brain subconsciously confirms that it’s acceptable.

You might expect women to be more submissive; to accept delegated tasks more easily, or question process less, or accept lower pay.

You might find it uncomfortable to have a female manager or team lead.

You might cause the women around you start dressing in less feminine ways, to distance themselves from any association.

You might erroneously think you have a chance of scoring with your female colleague (notwithstanding cases of genuine mutual attraction).

You might not expect the woman on your team to be able to teach you anything new.

And, if you’re Matt, or one of the many commenters whose opinions I’ve read, you might not completely understand the backlash.

Two bloggers have published compilations of some of the comments and tweets on the slide presentation. Burningbird published her collection in Open Arms. Hackety gathered even more comments in A Selection of Thoughts from Actual Women. These are helpful compilations of comments.

One of the many women who commented was Sarah at the evolving ultrasaurus. She was one of the women who were actually at the conference. She posted gender and sex at gogaruco.

What most pisses me off is that I had to write this blog post, instead of one about Ruby & CouchDB, which is a far more interesting topic.

It isn't just the Rails community. A friend of mine recently got what she thought was friendly mentoring from a famous-name male in the tech world. She was dismayed when she discovered that he expected sex in return for the career advancement help. When she refused, he started naming names of women in tech who supposedly did offer up the requested sexual favors. He regards the women in tech as his for the plucking and thinks he is perfectly justified in behaving that way. (This is a married man, by the way.) My friend will write about this herself once she cools down a bit, but it does bring up the question of whether it's more than just the objectification of women but outright exploitation that keeps women away from conferences.

Years of discussion about the minuscule showing of women at tech conferences, the dearth of women in computer sciences, and the lack of sensitivity toward women and minorities by conference organizers has not come close to galvanizing opinion like this one act of monumental unenlightment at a Rails conference. I hope both women and men will continue to make their voices heard on this issue until finally, FINALLY, the men in tech start to hear what the women in tech are saying.

I hope women are saying something like this: "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!"

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