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Your are so right and in

Vita lingus — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:52:40 -0600

Your are so right and in regard to all of it,,, As i said to you in my email to you you are not alone You actually sound exhausted and I am NOT surprised why ... I must say having spent time state side i was genuinely shocked in the USA at how aware of difference as opposed to sameness in the other was so prevelant and frankly exhausting to witness .... America is at stage of witnessing it's self and what it thinks the other is maybe !! We can but hope that the world will evolve

And thank you. Have you seen this ad 4 racial tension headaches?

Nordette — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:02:32 -0500

:-)

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Dana

Mata H — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:47:15 -0500

It's not fun to respond when you're essentially called a liar and uninformed simply because people don't agree with you.

Well, I didn't think reading your post was a ton-o-fun, either. And I did not call you a liar. I did, however, provide actual evidence of Mr Limbaugh's racist remarks in both audio and in context in visuals. Feel free to dislike the site that posted them, but they stand as actual quotes, documented by actual audio/visuals. I find it hard to see how Mr Limbaugh's telling an African-American caller into his old radio show to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back" is anything but racist. Not a lot of "context" on that one. In fact, it is also verified by snopes.com, hardly a partisan group, and Mr Limbaugh himself said he regretted having said it (also snopes.com).

It is clear that in some settings he has been misquoted, a common thing on ether side of the political fence, and equally wrong. That does not erase his actual statements that can be verified.

To say that your research was not complete is not a taunt or an insult. Nor is it some knock because I disagree with you. It is merely a fact, born out by the examples. It would be easier to listen to you points if they were accurately substantiated. But that is just my opinion.

If Rush Limbaugh decides to speak provocatively (and no one can disagree with that characterization), then he has to be bright enough to know that a reaction will follow. To call it a simple "witch hunt" is not fair at all, in my opinion.

Has there been a concerted effort to untangle his inaccuracies, and to hold up his statements to the light of day -- yes. Have people disagreed with him - yes. And why not?

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

It's not fun to respond when

Dana Loesch — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:05:52 -0500

It's not fun to respond when you're essentially called a liar and uninformed simply because people don't agree with you.

I posted audio with my quotes, sorry, but because the attributions (I've seen some of the made-up quotes posted in these comments and treated as fact - and I'm uninformed?) given to Limbaugh are either from a book in which some dude made them up and everyone acts like it's the truth, or they're taken out of context by people who've never listened to the show but are eager to misrepresent statements due to hatred of the man. Don't like him, fine. I'm not defending the man, I'm speaking out against the witch hunt. People quoting Media Matters which don't accurately source beyond hearsay (we have audio, Sunshine some proof, people) or misrepresenting statements is like me quoting Malkin for you all.

Mata - that's great that you think it's OK for me to be a conservative but then you go and insult me in the same graph by calling me "uninformed" simply because you disagree with my point of view. Disagreement does not constitute misunderstanding on my part. Again, no mention of how several of these quotes in these comments are bunk - yet I'm the one called uninformed.

Perhaps I'd be more eager to engage in discussion if I wasn't insulted at every turn simply because I have a different perspective. Disagree with it, fine, but the taunts and knocks at my research are a little much.

Mata, we've been down this road before

Nordette — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:23:56 -0500

Mata, don't waste your precious time and energy. We've been down this road before on this very website with Dana back when she used to respond to people in the comment section. Here's what I wrote to you

but did not to post on this thread.

I hope you're having a beautiful autumn up there.

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I agree with Leighbra

SpendWiselyTexas@gmail.com — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:48:02 -0500

I would really like to hear the author of this blog respond to the comments on this post. I've lived outside the US for the past 9 years (returned in March of this year) and so am a bit out of touch with current cultural touchstones. I don't think Rush Limbaugh seems like a particularly nice human being but are any of the sport franchise owners? I do wonder why Rush has been singled out as I'm sure when it comes to racist comments some of the other owners could match him word for word. Will there be a new standard with respect to speech and behavior in the sports world? If so, how lovely. Dana has started a conversation that could be quite interesting but only if she as the author contributes and clarifies her arguments. FYI - I'm a straight black woman who is crushingly conservative when it comes to money (think Marc Faber and Gerald Celente) and a whole heartedly, flaming liberal when it comes to social issues (uh why is anyone concerned about gay marriage?).

Spend Wisely Texas - Living Well and Spending Less in Texas

That's my concern...

Leighbra — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:19:22 -0500

Is she interested in actually being part of the conversation, or just writing flaming response posts to other conversations going on on BlogHer?

If she's part of the conversation, YAY! Even if I don't agree, I LOVE the debate.

If she's not going to contribute anything other than her initial post and then flee to the land of ignoring what people have to say to protect her world views, then I'm done clicking her posts.

Maybe I'm done anyway because they seem to be angry point-by-point responses to other recent posts, and if she wanted to be part of the conversation, she would reply right in those posts.

I don't think that BlogHer should be or has to be all one liberal view-point, but I've always valued BlogHer for the depth of conversation.

Thanks for the nod. I

siditty — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:14:41 -0500

Thanks for the nod. I loved this article by the way. I remember growing up and having friends who would say things like "My grandparents say racist things, but they aren't racist, they're just a product of their time" As if grandma and grandpa aren't able to evolve and control their tongue.

I also love that the Justice of the Peace kindly lets black people use his bathroom as proof of him not being racist.

It is amazing at what "I'm not racist, but..." can be used in this day and age.

Dana,

Mata H — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:32:08 -0500

I don't mind that you are a conservative. This country has lots of room for differing opinions. I do mind that you post strong statements without doing research first. If you would like to see a list of racist coments by Rush Limbaugh (AND the accompanying long sound bites in Limbaugh's own voice) just click here. By the way, are you even reading this?

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

Double standards

BarbD — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:38:46 -0500

Tom,

Apparently, Limbaugh was considered as a commentator on Monday Night football earlier in the decade. According to the authors, "Compared to some talk radio hosts, racism is not central to Rush Limbaugh's shtick. But there has been a pattern of commentary indicating his willingness to exploit prejudice against blacks to further his on-air arguments."

I don't view my world in the "them" and "us" language you use. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh -- nor to Keith Olberman. Neither of them (or any of the other usual suspects) advances our knowledge of the world or the issues we face. And because people who bloviate for a living tend towards being offensive in order to gain market share, I think it's important to call them on it.

We can have a conversation all day about the hypocrisy of people on each side of the political divide. I'd rather look for ways we can find common ground.

BarbD
The Middle Way

Limbaugh a racist? A man

Nordette — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:34:34 -0500

Limbaugh a racist? A man whose talented producer is black? A man who asks popular black broadcaster Walt Williams ("black by popular demand!") to sub for him and speak to his millions of listeners? Do I think Limbaugh is racist? No. ~~Dana Loesch

Dana, you've got comedic gifts.

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not racist?

simon — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:18:14 -0500

@ tomtheredhunter

none of the statements on the link provided by barbD are racist?

how is telling a black person to "...take the bone out of their nose..." not a racist statement?

Typical Liberal Double Standard

TomtheRedhunter — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:07:10 -0500

Oh hang it up, BarbD, not a single one of those quotes is racist. We've gotten to the point where anything liberals don't like they call racist. It's an all-purpose argument when they don't have a real argument.

Leighbra makes little sense.

The fact is that Dana is absolutely right; there is a huge double standard with regards to these matters and it is disgusting. Because Rush does not say anything that is racist they have to invent quotes, and when caught resort to the drivel that BarbD posts. Then they bring on racebaiters Jesse Jackson (of "hymietown" fame) and Al Sharpton (Twania Brawley, Freddie's Fashion Mart, on and on).

Then there's Keith Olberman, who co-hosts NBC's Football Night in America. If a political pundit like him can do that, why can't Limbaugh be involved? The two are roughly equal.

The reason, as stated earlier, is that there's a huge double standard.

The husband and I were

Leighbra — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:32:00 -0500

The husband and I were chatting about your basically saying that people in foreclosure are there because they're stupid, lazy, or greedy, and he said...

"Wow, isn't that the same thing as saying 'She deserved it, they shouldn't have been alone with that guy. She deserved it, she shouldn't have worn that short skirt. She deserved it, she shouldn't have been in that alley.'"

FAIR

BarbD — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:06:01 -0500

Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) has long documented Rush Limbaugh's remarks (racist and otherwise) -- with dates. Here's their latest action alert: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3928.