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Teach your kids, don't trick them

alyssaroyse — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:48:06 -0600

At the end of the day, I sort of agree that if you have to call broccoli something else to get it in their body, then something good is being done. BUT, the long-term message terrifies me. REALLY.

They are learning their long term eating habits from their parents, in every mouthful of food they eat as a child. If they believe mac and cheese is just mac and cheese, and that it's good for them, they'll keep doing it all their life.... And there won't always be someone there sneaking cauliflower into it. That really scares me.

If they think brownies are good for them as a child because you're sneaking spinach into them, they're gonna keep snarfing brownies, even when there's no one there sneaking spinach into them. In fact, most nutritionists agree that when they are young it is as much about teaching behavior patterns as it is about the food that is consumed...... Missing the educational and modeling part of that is risky business - and is shirking the primary obligation that we have as parents - modeling healthful and productive behavior.

No can do. I just think it's a bad idea.

Back when my daughter was in her finicky eating phase (thankfully, she'll now eat anything.....) the only vegetable she would eat was broccoli. with soy sauce. so, no matter what we were eating foe dinner, she had a little dish of broccoli with soy sauce (and an apple, with soy sauce, go figure)...... it may not have been sneaky or diverse, but she learned that she HAS to eat fresh fruits and veggies with every meal. and now, even though she often makes her own meals, they always have a fruit and a veggie in them.....

and really, it's not that hard. i just had a bag of frozen broccoli in the freezer at all times, took about 2 minutes to steam it up in a little pan of water....
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Tricking your kids?

angelachaseme — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:14:51 -0600

Not sure that tricking your kids is a great way to go--- some interesting points were made by an kid/food expert in NY--- www.donnafish.com

It's a small web, after all.

wakingkate — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:02:16 -0600

Mir,

I'm a long-time reader of WCS but haven't commented b/c I guess I'm a bit shy and don't have kids, so I don't feel qualified to weigh in. But I love your blog and look forward to each new entry. (What can I say, I enjoy peeking into other people's lives and experiences.)

However! I also have been a fan of Veggie Venture for awhile, so when I read about the squash-mac'n'cheese controversy she mentioned, I clicked a link that brought me to this article. Doo-doo-doo, reading along, probably should be working, and bam! I see your name! You're everywhere, lady.

Anyway, I just wanted to comment on that. Also, I agree with how you feel about not wanting to hide healthy ingredients from children rather than introducing them to vegetables and encouraging them to try new things, both culinary and otherwise. Keep up the funny, thoughtful work! As a technical writing student who feels wary about freelancing, I'm inspired by your ability to write all over the web and make a decent living at it. Thanks.

Mommy wars?

Mir Kamin — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:38:01 -0500

Hi Jozet,

Sorry for the delay in seeing your comment. I did want to respond, though, as I feel that I was at best misunderstood and at worst had some words placed in my mouth.

I never said picky eaters don't just happen, or that there is any way to insure that kids won't end up picky. I have a picky eater, myself. No judgments on that from me, believe me!

I also never said (and don't believe anyone else did) that you FORCE children to eat things. I believe what was being discussed was simply repeated presentation of said foods. And should it matter, I think that sending a child the message that Mommy (or Daddy) exists to be a short-order cook for them is just about as bad as letting them subsist on twinkies. Again -- I have a picky eater, myself. I cook what I cook. He can eat it or not. There's always SOMETHING on the table I know he likes, so it's not as though he goes hungry.

Do I need to run an ingredient list past my kids at every meal? Nope. But do I take issue with the suggestion that hiding ingredients become a way of life? Well, yeah, I do. That's my opinion. You (and everyone else) are welcome to have a different opinion. I'm not sure that makes for a war, mommy or otherwise. I was hoping it would just be a discussion. ;)

Regards,
Mir

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Kudos to Moms who want their kids to eat better...but...

mamamich — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:38:41 -0500

I am thrilled that people are trying to get their kids to eat better, but I don't love the fact that they are being sneaky about it. By bringing kids into the kitchen to help you prepare meals, you are increasing the chances that they will taste their culinary creations... and you are spending wonderful quality time together with your kids at the same time.

We tried some of these recipes, but my kids helped me to prepare the secret ingredient (the puree). They knew that there was spinach or squash inside their meal and ate it anyway (even if they did say it tasted a little funny!).

I know it sounds idealistic, but it would be nice if we could openly celebrate foods that keep us healthy instead of hiding them...

Here is a link to one of my blog posts that is getting a lot of attention on this book:
http://whatscookingblog.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/is-deceptively-deliciou...

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I completely agree with Motherhood Uncensored

jozet — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:15:35 -0500

Isn't all cooking or adding seasoning of any kind changing what the food tastes like to make it more pleasing to a certain palate?

And is lying to kids any worse than insisting on trying foods when they clearly don't want to try them? To me, that's about the same as throwing a hesitant kid into water to teach them to swim because you know that after a while, they'll do it. All it teaches the child is that you - someone bigger and stronger and who they must obey if they want to survive - know their body and mind better than they know themselves, and that is a far more dangerous message to send to my children than "mommy didn't tell you about the yams". I'd rather follow my kids' cues and not insist on trying anything fifteen times let alone once. Most pickiness begins when toddlers go through a normal picky stage. If they've been offered healthy foods up until then, I don't see the big deal in continuing to let them eat those two or three healthy foods for as long as they want. I mean, we're not talking Twinkies and Pixie Stix, right?

As someone who cooks a wide variety of foods and who offers foods both raw and dressed up and not from a typical American palate, I still ended up with a child who remained picky beyond the normal picky stage. It happens.

But you know, the mommy wars keep shifting and the game board continues to move. Onward we go.

On our minds

MandyMom — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:48:42 -0500

I just wrote a review on the book before I came across this site. (Actually, less of a review, more focus on an even better way to get your children to eat vegetables without conning them into it).

http://mandymom.com/edublog/2007/10/22/deceptively-delicious/

I think the idea of adding more nutrition to our foods is a great one. Not everyone is going to like the addition, but many will (and I suppose its up to the baker/cook to tweak it).

There are better ways...

Andrea Meyers — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:59:37 -0500

to get your kids to eat veggies. I agree that infants and sometimes toddlers need to have foods pureed, disguised, whatever, but once children are of preschool age there is no reason to do any of that. Children need to learn how food tastes and have their palates developed. I would recommend the Spatulatta Cookbook and say start cooking with your kids and showing them how good food tastes over either of these other options.

Andrea
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I prefer Cooking Incognito

SarahN. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:05:43 -0500

I think the idea most moms had years ago and just experimented. I try adding things in regular meals before this book or the other one came out. I think most moms are clever and creative.

I don't like that she copied a lot of the recipes, but there are only so many combinations one an come up with. There are a billion recipes out there for mac and cheese but they are slightly different here or there. I like the recipes I get from Healthy Habits, Healthy Kids www.hhhkids.com. They had a good mac and cheese one with butternut squash. It's my daughter's favoriite. I think Seinfeld's book calls for Sweet Potato (yuck). Butternut squash is much milder and easier to hide. They call their recipes Cooking Incognito. They give out free tips every week on helping parents deal with finicky eaters, and other behavioral issues. They occassionally give a free recipe. This week was a berry smoothies with lemon flavored fish oil. It was awesome, couldn't taste the fish oil at all. And it was TOTALLY FREE which is the best part! You just go on their site and click on Get Free Tips. I haven's subscribed to their paid monthly newslletter yet, but I may soon as I'm really liking what I'm seeing.

I think Seinfeld should have given credit to these other authors and to say she was perhaps inspired by them, etc. I think she would have an easier time now.

Full Disclosure? C'mon!

Motherhooduncensored — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:33:36 -0500

My few contentions with the criticisms (believe me, I'm not a Jessica Seinfeld worshipper) is that people haven't read the book! The title is racy -- it's not about deception. It's about making foods healthier. My mom put wheat germ in my yogurt growing up -- I thought it was granola and it wasn't that far off. If I had asked her, she would have told me. But when do we all of a sudden explain each and every recipe we make with our kids?

Of course, mine is three. She could really care less.

If the recipes are crappy (I'm not one to puree -- but I am a casserole queen and that's how my kid eats veggesi), that's one thing. But to just say it's terrible to hide food so our kids will eat it is a different story. And to take it further to say people are wimps if their kids aren't good eaters is totally unfounded. My daughter happens to eat fairly well, but still spits certain things out. There's only so many times that can happen until you just decide to give up and say it's okay for this week to only eat green beans as your vegetable. But if I can give them to her in another way, perhaps she'll grow a taste for them outside of her meal.

And to be clear, I'm quite pleased when they throw vodka and white wine in my cream sauce without me knowing. Deceive away! Just make sure it's Grey Goose please.

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haha

Mir Kamin — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:58:29 -0500

Point taken about the icon, Liz. ;)

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see Liz's comment below ;)

Mir Kamin — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:52:39 -0500

I purposely refrained from touching on the current allegations because 1) it wasn't the focus of what I wanted to cover and 2) I happen to agree with Liz that it's highly unlikely that there's plagiarism involved.

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I've reviewed both The

jlraynes — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:26:35 -0500

I've reviewed both The Sneaky Chef and Deceptively Delicious on one of my blogs, No Lemon Juice, and I did like The Sneaky Chef better.

There is no rule however that you can't both sneak the veggies into the food AND serve them with the meal in their traditional form. When I use these recipes, that's typically what I do. You can serve the butternut squash mac n' cheese along with green beans. You can still teach your kids to eat food in it's regular form while making sure they are still getting some good nutrients whether they know it or not.
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Amen

Sarcastic-Mom — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:31:53 -0500

I'm sickened by the idea of tricking my kids into eating something, and bothered that anyone would think it's too much of a hassle to teach their children to actually EAT WELL. You are setting your little one up for an unhealthy adulthood by doing this kind of thing, and that's just stupid.

So, yeah, prepare for (and WITH) them a variety of foods to try and discover. Then let them choose what they like from that. They'll settle on some things that are good for them if you are consistent. And if they don't, that multivitamin will make up for it. ;-)

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Not That Bad Of An Idea

MdMommy2Two — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:28:42 -0500

I don't think it's such a bad idea. My son is utterly picky, and with a lot of trial and error, I have finally gotten him to the point where he eats his green beans first. However, we do both. I involve my son in every aspect of cooking, from planing the meal to buying the ingredients to cooking it. I refuse to make meal time a battleground and he doesn't have to eat something if he doesn't want to. But he doesn't get treats unless he eats well and he has to try one bite of everything. I put vegetables on his plate with every meal, but I also hide vegetables in other foods. As insurance. Because babies and toddlers have bizarre eating habits. I don't do purees though, because I don't have the time nor the inclination to do it. Finely chopped or grated carrot hides wonderfully in meatloaf.