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we're planning on spending that much money ...

lucyinamerica — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:39:19 -0500

There is an Irish joke that goes something like this. It's Christmas Time, a Dublin man, sprawled out on the sofa, watching the telly, when his wife comes home with the shopping. He looks up at her, and says, "so, wha' do y'want for Christmas?"The wife, clearly exhausted, drops the shopping bags on the floor and says, "I want ... a divorce," (thick Dublin accent).
And the man goes, "ah now, I wasn't plannin on spendin' that much muney."
And so it goes that Hillary gets to have her name included in the roll call at the convention. She gets to speak -- last speech of the night on Tuesday, so the climax of the night if you will -- her husband gets to speak on Wednesday, and then either on Wednesday or Thursday, her delegates get to line up behind her and acknowledge their support. A good thing, everyone is saying. Cathartic. Healing. A way to bring the party together.
To me it seems like the final deal to end all deals (cut all ties?) between the Clintons and the Obamas.
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Holding Out for Hillary

traceesioux — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:03:30 -0500

Well, my first reaction is - she earned all those delegates so why wouldn't she be on the ballot? She's only 200 delegates shy of the nomination herself. Supposedly the convention is where all the actual counting is supposed to take place - it's only the news that makes us believe a winner is predetermined.

That said, I was surprised to hear two Republican women say, at a party, they were holding out hope that Hillary will actually still take the nomination.

I examined, on Blog Fabulous, today any possibilities where this might occur. I came up with only two:

Obama's untimely death between now and then
Obama's confession of a horrendous act in his past. Like Edwards, but it would have to be pretty dang bad to top McCain's own philandering that hasn't effected his campaign a bit.

I'm not hopeful of either of these two things. But I very much hope that Obama will respect Hillary's wide support and names her Vice President.

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Remember the courtesy that has been extended

Anghiari — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:46:38 -0500

One wonders if the tables were turned, if the same courtesy would have been extended to Senator Obama? Politics has always been played as hardball as possible and the winner simply does not have to accomodate the loser...age, race, gender notwithstanding. Winner takes all!

On the other hand, one of the areas which Senator Obama has discussed is changing the tenor of the dialogue among those with whom we disagree, agreeing to disagree and extending his hand to those on the other side of the aisle as well as those on the same side of the aisle...(although Lieberman is pushing the envelope beyond its capacity). I respect Senator Obama's decision to extend this courtesy to Senator Clinton for whatever reason. I trust him and support him therefore I am comfortable with HIS decision. I must say at this point I doubt this has as much to do with her supporters as it has to do with the unspoken rules within the halls of Congress and among legislators themselves to allow their colleagues (especially those on the same side of the aisle) to walk away from a hard fought contest with pride and honor. I think it is the mark of this honorable man to always be gracious.

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Lauriesm — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:13:43 -0500

This is what they call making everyone happy. Happens all the time in all sorts of arenas. At the end of the day, everyone gets to walk away with their heads held high. But, it really doesn't mean much to the voters at all, now does it.

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Why not?

PunditMom — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:46:41 -0500

I'm not sure why anyone should feel uncomfortable. If the shoe was on the other foot, Obama's delegates would want the same thing for his historic effort, as well. Nothing is taken away from Obama and he probably gains more of Clilnton's supporters this way.

Seems like a win/win to me.

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Confusing

Pam — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:22:53 -0500

I'm no electoral expert, far from it, but I do consider myself a fairly informed voter. The way we elect a president in this country makes no damn sense to me.

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Dogs and Ponies

Nordette — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:54:02 -0500

As usual, the Dems are planning one helluva show. Is there any such thing as a boring Democratic Convention?

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Something More

wiredparenting — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:16:38 -0500

What I'm saying is simply, I don't believe that Hillary's "historic" campaign should be the reason she's on the floor for voting - she should be there because pledged delegates have not voted yet. She (and everyone else with pledged delegates, for that matter) should stand before the committe for the vote.

I say this with all respect; I just feel that she deserves to be in the vote because of her hard work and great achievements, regardless of the fact that she's a woman. I think it's great that Obama would be the one to suggest this, though I'm hardly convinced it's for any other reason than to win her voters.

Hillary!

Denise — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:39:59 -0500

I'm fascinated. I didn't believe the rumblings would actually lead to this. I'm also thrilled and am now looking forward to the DNC in a way that I wasn't before.

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Karoli — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:26:01 -0500

So, by that logic,NOT allowing her name to be placed in nomination would be a snub, allowing it to be placed is somehow a "pity vote"?

Where is the solution? Facts are facts. He has more delegates than she does, he is the presumptive nominee. They have agreed upon this solution, evidently, though I don't trust Hillary Clinton even a tiny little bit.

All of the risk is taken by Obama with this scenario, small as it might (or might not) be. How is that a 'pity vote'?

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So you're saying the 'gesture' amounts to 'pity?'

Erin Kotecki Vest — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:23:52 -0500

You're not the only one

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Missing the Point.

wiredparenting — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:17:11 -0500

I think the Obama camp is missing the point, as well as is the DNC. All candidates that held delegates through the primary season should be on the floor for voting. Everyone who's "pledged" their vote to a certain candidate hasn't signed any contracts - they are legally allowed to change their mind until the day of the contest.

I don't agree that Hillary Clinton should be given a "pity" vote - that's what it seems like they are proposing.

Thanks for mentioning Isaac

Mata H — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:23:14 -0500

Sad, sad day.

Did you ever hear the albumn he made with Dionne Warwick "A Man and a Woman" ..by the time he was done singing "My Love.." the audience was almost bursting with happy lust ...he knew how to work a song for every ounce of meaning, that is for sure.

Rest in peace, Isaac.

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Depends on which Ludacris she listened to

Kim Pearson — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:13:55 -0500

Hi,

I'll tell you the truth. I didn't know how crude Ludacris was until I heard the YouTube video that insulted Hillary Clinton. I had only heard the Walmart versions of songs like "When I Move You Move," before that. His song with Mary J. Blige, "Runaway Love," is mature for a three-year-old, but only because of the seriousness of the subject matter. It's a very socially conscious song that decries the abuse of women and girls. The Ludacris Foundation raises awareness of the problems runaway children face, and provides services for at-risk youth. I've watched the Runaway Love video with my own children (who are older than Obama's) and it provided a good opportunity to talk about some of these issues.

In a way, this is nothing new. Redd Foxx's comedy albums were much "bluer" than what we saw on Sanford and Son. But when he became a mainstream star, most people outside the chitlin' circuit knew nothing about the rest of his body of work. Ditto Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, or the recently-deceased Bernie Mac. The difference now is that corporate marketers think nothing of playing material during family hours that used to be restricted to nightclubs or other adult venues.

So the real point is that you need an interviewer who knows enough about hip-hop to not only ask what rappers do you let your chidren listen to, but what versions of their work do they hear?

Kim
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Barack's VP

imaginarybinky — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:56:52 -0500

I signed up to find out about Barack's VP selection. I'm curious about it now that John Edwards is kaput.

I live in Denver. Currently, I am trying to find places to volunteer 6 hours of service in order to qualify for tickets to Obama's speech at Mile High Stadium. That's a lot of hours in one week!

Cheers,

Sarah

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