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A new parenting reality TV show out of, sigh, my hometown of Pittsburgh filled me with a series of emotions this week as I watched it. Most of those feelings were negative as I sat and endured the first episode of Dance Moms on Lifetime. I found myself compelled to yell back at the TV as Abby Lee, the dance studio dictator director screamed, yelled and generally berated these nine-year-old girls.

I understand dance and competitions. They’re stressful. Everyone wants to be the best. Everyone is on edge. But what I saw on TV was not how we should be teaching our children how to handle competition. I understand that it’s edited for ratings, but let’s be honest: No child deserves to be berated by a screaming banshee because her stomach hurts during practice. The favoritism displayed by Abby Lee's pyramid of who is best on any given week -- think about the first place photo finish every week on America’s Next Top Model -- doesn’t work as a motivating tool for children. It shows them that they’re not the best, they’re not good enough and they’ll never be good enough.

And!

Since when is third place losing? Is it first place? No. Even if there were only three teams competing and you came in third, you’re not a “loser.” You competed. You did what 99% of kids out there won’t do: Get up on stage and try something new and scary. Why are we teaching our children that anything less than first is worthless? What happened to teaching them about doing their best and, if they don’t come in first, fixing what was wrong and working toward a better finish the next time? Without yelling or guilt or “losing” talk?

Sadly, it’s not just this crazy Pittsburgh lady teaching our children these things. The parents are equally to blame. I witnessed it first hand earlier this summer when a t-ball dad on the opposing team screamed at the volunteer coach because the dad’s four-year-old didn’t get to field the ball. T-ball. Four-years-old. Screaming at a coach. As parents, we have this amazing opportunity to teach our children how to treat other people and how a loss or a set-back doesn’t have to shape your entire future in dance, a sport or in school. That dad and the moms on this show aren’t doing their children any favors by acting like this sport or this dance competition or any number of other life experiences are the be all and end all of what this child is and will be.

I recognize that these are real moms trying to what they believe qualifies as “the best” for their kids. Maybe they’re better moms than me because they’ll put up with crap that I could not and will not; if a coach or instructor or teacher of some sort ever yells at my sons like that, I might go slightly crazy like the one Pastor mom who got the Police called on her by Abby. Maybe their kids really are happy and are learning that with every success, you have to endure some not-so-great moments. But every time one of those girls cried because they were being screamed at -- not just pushed to achieve something new, but simply screamed at -- my heart broke at what I see as a problem in our society. Of pushing our kids too fast, too far. Of taking away their childhoods just because they have a 1 in a million chance at landing a role on Broadway or hitting a home run in the major leagues or becoming Miss America.

They grow up so quickly anyway. Competition will exist for their entire adulthood. Why do we have to make their childhoods so cut-throat, do-or-die?

Supah Mommy wrote about the show on her blog and she feels the same way -- but with much more emotion -- and humor! She thanked these dance moms for making her feel like a great mom.

I love shows like these because I watch them and then promptly turn around and "pat myself on the back" for my awesome parenting.

*pat pat pat*

I look like Mother Momma Theresa compared to these maniac mothers who didn't get the memo--- MOMMA BEARS DO NOT SUBJECT THEIR CUBS TO SUCH THINGS. Even for a REALLY SHINY SPARKLY TROPHY and 15 minutes of fame.

Ms. Wanda, a six-year-veteran dance mom, came to the defense of the moms on the show, sharing some of her experience, including a post about their national championship. She likes the show, but hopes she’s not acting that way.

This show was so entertaining I'm an instant fan! I was texting and facebooking my DMs and we were all saying that we hope we are not this bad! I paused and gave this some thought (some of us are crazy as hell) and then I said, "Noooo we are not that bad:)"

(I'd argue her point that this is not just television. Those are real little girls with real feelings.)

The most interesting -- and perhaps most important -- point of view I came across was by Paige at The 828. She’s a (teenage!) competitive dancer whose studio has actually competed against Abby Miller’s studio. Her thoughts?

Not all dance moms and teachers are crazy or evil! Mine aren't!

But some are...

We go to competitions and do our dances. Some moms treat this like the Olympics, they just pressure their daughters so much and it's not right! Dance competitions are for having fun and healthy competition, not craziness and pressure!

But in this series, the TEACHER is the evil one. She treats them like they are going off to war. If my dance teacher was like that, I'd quit.

All of this brings us back to last year’s discussion on what is and is not appropriate for our children on stage. Or off. Or never on. These are children. I don’t know whether the discussion should be to do away with thrusting our babies onto reality TV (Toddlers and Tiaras, 16 & Pregnant, Teen Mom, etc) or about the crazy teacher or about forcing our kids to do more, right now, as parents. Or what. But I do know that our kids deserve more -- and not of winning or of yelling or of pressure. They deserve more patience, unconditional love and respect. And I don’t think they’re getting it with this show or the mindset surrounding the Win At All Costs attitude.

What are your thoughts? Did you catch the show? (You can watch for free on Hulu, by the way.) Are you more angry with the teacher or the parents? Is this the fault of society or is it just where we’re headed? Or do you agree that this all fine and dandy, nothing but teaching our kids about winning in the real world?

Family Section Editor Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom) blogs at Stop, Drop and Blog and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land. She is a freelance writer and photographer.

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lynn2470 5 pts

I watched an episode last night and was upset to see Kathy making fun of another mom's nose. This isn't the first time either, and in front of all the kids. The other mom retaliated by calling Kathy a b***h and Kathy responded by saying that isn't the language that her dance moms use around the kids. Did she even give a thought to what she was teaching those girls by making fun of someone's appearance? Little girls seem to naturally know how to be hurtful to each other without adults encouraging that kind of behavior.

cooookie3825 5 pts

how much does she charge the parents for her classes...just curious...cooookie3825@yahoo.com

dina99 5 pts

I was so happy when I found your blog. I have been attacked verbally on facebook for expressing the same opinion you have. It seems many people think Abby's style is necessary and jump to her defense!! She is a narcisisstic, abusive, jealous woman who gets her kicks out of being a certified Bully! Some of the Moms used to be her students and seem to be suffering from PTSD and are afraid to confront her the ways she should be confronted. Telling the mothers, with the students present that she will take away their trophies if they don't like it there! We are trying to teach our kids not to bully others and the bullying problem in our schools is causing suicides. How is it okay to bully kids in any environment, especially by an adult. I am sure there are many other Dance Studios that produce quality dancers who become stars without being told the things that Abby says to them. An argument in Abby's defense is that Abby is preparing them for what is out there in the world. So I guess those same people would also defend children who bully and say they are only trying to prepare their peers for what it is like in the world! I guess the part where they commit suicide is not of any consequence to them!

DiOc 5 pts

Sounds like child abuse to me! ( and I did watch the show; it made me sick, and made me regress back to when so-called "adults" humiliated and degraded me) . I think the whole class should go over to another studio, and someone should call the child abuse hotline on this monster.

ShoreBookworm 18 pts

I actually laughed when I read this post, it is so silly. I wouldn't get too upset. This is an individual who only just joined and has no other posts. I'm thinking flamer.

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The Learning Mama 7 pts

How can someone so overweight criticize these little girls. She can't even do half the moves herself, I am willing to wager. It is child abuse to subject these girls to this harpy. I for one advocate the removal of children from shows like Kate8, Toddlers & Tiaras, and now this show. It is abuse. Mental abuse which is no less a crime than physical.

SomethingNiceForNow 6 pts

With all due respect, if you are spending 4 hours a week in therapy, is that truly success? Quite possibly, you were already a driven human being and might have achieved great wealth without having to spend money and time on therapy. I am not saying I don't believe in discipline or structure. I am only saying that if my child spent 4 hours in therapy a week as an adult...I would not consider myself a successful parent. I firmly believe you can groom your children to greatness without having them lose their self esteem or dignity.

SomethingNiceForNow 6 pts

I do not enjoy watching adults berate children. To me it's the similar to taking candy from babies and punching kid's with glasses.

I remember how emotional I was at that age and being yelled at like that would have certainly affected me.

Working in a University, I've heard some say that today's youth are "lazy" or "expectant" because they assume that they will receive an award for whatever they do. If too many awards creates a sense of entitlement, what in the world does hostile competition lead to?

Regardless of your belief on parenting this director should be not be rewarded with a television show because she can yell the loudest and make children cry. This simply should not be television.

Will "reality tv" ever die out?!?! I'm waiting!

sallysue 6 pts

And the mothers are so insecure they don't protect their kids. I say they make that teacher (if that is what she is) wear those outfits and make an ass of herself. WHoops she already is making a complete Whore of herself.

allamericandad 5 pts

Our country is falling apart because of pathetic parents who coddle and spoil their children. The mothers depicted on Dance Moms are doing a great service to their children because they are teaching them how to strive for greatness and by exposing them to the harsh realities of life at an early age, hardening them to what they will experience for the rest of their lives.

My parents were tough on me, I hated my childhood and now I spend 4 hrs a week in therapy, but I am extremely successful and wealthy beyond my wildest dreams.

In China, these kids would be taken away from their parents and would be forced to indure a training regimen that would make Abby Lee look like Mr. Rogers.

Stop whining America and start winning!

desann 6 pts

allamericandad I fully believe in teaching kids dicipline but my goal in life is to not have a "a rich kid in therapy" You get one childhood and that is meant for being a child. Not a mini neurotic adult. If you love china so much go raise your kids there. We have more then enough over stressed, money hungry people here.

Polish Mama on the Prairie 27 pts

This is the sort of reason why when my older daughter says she wants to take dance and cheerleading, I cringe.

I've gone to soccer games, baseball games, you name it for kids of parents I am friends with. The words coming from the parents mouths during games at the kids are just. Wow. Just wow.

Your child is not your dog. They are not there to do tricks for you. They are there to succeed if they can and to learn and grow as people.

I don't believe in the whole "everyone is a winner in this game" mentality. That's just weird and,to me, kinda lame.

But that? I don't get it. And my daughter would immediately be taken off that group if her coach behaved like that.

And I won't waste the precious time in my life to watch such a show either. The preview was enough. I'd rather spend it hugging my kids and raising them to be proud strong beautiful women.

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justlinda 22 pts

While I've not seen the show, I did have a reaction to the comment quoted from Ms. Wanda.

I think that "not as bad as those parents" is not a way to aspire to be the best parent you can be. Hopefully, all of us can point at someone and say "Well, I'm not as bad as that lot!"

Just because you're "less bad" than some other group doesn't let you off the hook for what you are not doing well. Don't do comparative analysis on the negative side - you'll always come out ahead. Instead, either compare what you're doing to your own potential to do it ("Am I the best parent I can be?") or make a comparison on the positive side and attempt to rise to close the gap and meet the challenge that way.

Saying "I'm not as bad as them." is a cop-out.

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Social Butterfly 5 pts

I must admit that I do enjoy watching reality tv, but this show was much worse than Toddlers & Tiaras. In high school I was on the drill team and there was a lot of pressure to perform at your best. I can remember going over the routines in my sleep, because if you messed up you had to sit out of performances for a week. This is the reality that these parents have chosen to put their children through. No matter who the teacher is, if it is competitive, there will be stress. Now, with that being said, the teacher was over the top, disrespectful & a bully. She was either trying to get ratings or really needs her social/parenting/filter skills checked. I only got to watch the last 30 minutes, but I did catch her when she said that 3rd place meant her "livelihood". So....she might love the kids (and I really believe she honestly does) & want them to do well, but the 1st place is more money in her pocket. The parents were passive and acting like they did not have a say. It was as if this was the first time they had seen her behave this way. I doubt it. They did a lot of talking behind her back about what they would do if she did this or did that again, but they sat there & let the children take the abuse. Please don't get me started on the drinking mothers. Excuse me....what stress are you under? It was a reality show, but I left thinking they needed a reality check.

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ShoreBookworm 18 pts

I will admit from the get go, I did not watch the entire episode. I couldn't because I was in tears and felt nauseated. I will presume that there was much mugging for the camera, which probably made it worse. But these people are sick. I mean DSM-IV, diagnosable, mentally disturbed sick.

The teacher? A narcissistic nightmare. The mothers? Ditto. The children? Getting there.

My concept of motherhood has been one of nurturing the precious children God gifted me with. Embracing their differences, talents, dreams and helping them reach their goals while modeling, hopefully, how a good person acts in this world. Maybe that's crazy? Maybe I'm the sick one? But it seems to have worked. Subjecting the self esteem of these human beings to degradation and abuse was pretty much at the the top of my list of things NOT to do. Never mind pay someone else to do it.

I am not perfect. I had my own set of dreams for my kids. A real granola girl, I had my babies at home and nursed them all for prolonged periods. I joked I had to lie down with a cold cloth on my head when my daughter chose to stop nursing her baby at three months. But I fully respect and support her choices as a mother. She is a wonderful mother, just different from me. And that's ok. And all their choices in careers: hospital registrar, lawyer, bartender and fashion merchandiser, the most important thing is they are HAPPY. I am so proud of each of them. Because they are good people, not because of what they do.

God help the lot in that show. Down the road I am seeing eating disorders and substance abuse out the wazoo. Shoot, they made me want to go abuse some substances myself. I think I will go have a glass of wine right now and thank the Lord for my terrific, healthy kids.

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JennaHatfield 135 pts

She did seem to be the most "normal" of the group. Though next week she apparently approaches Abby Lee about the too-sexy-move of butt smacking and is reprimanded by said instructor. Sigh.

Though I gotta admit: That lady would make me want to drink too! (Just not when my kids were there. LOL)

Family Section Editor Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )) blogs at Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ). She is a freelance writer and photographer.

hausfrau 11 pts

I saw this show yesterday on Hulu and felt like I was watching a train wreck in progress. I think the dance instructor is over the top..waaay over the top. But she has been a successful competitive instructor for 30+ years. I'm sure she got to this point over time, and all of the parents know how she is before signing up their children. Frankly I think the parents are worse than she is. Aside from the African American mother, who seemed the only one with sense and balance to me, the others were insane. Even the pastor. The moms largely seemed to disregard their daughters desires in leu of some dream of theirs. Think football dads. And the two who decide to cocktail it up leaving the admittedly verbally abusive instructor in charge of their children at the competition? Dude. Grow up. You are not 21 anymore.

JennaHatfield 135 pts

Yeah, no. I don't agree. For many reasons. You can call this abuse or not, but I get all kinds of riled up when people say that parents should lose custody of future children for decisions they make with current children. There are those out there that say I shouldn't be parenting at all since I relinquished my firstborn. They're wrong, of course, as I'm a fantastic mother -- who makes mistakes just like the rest of the amazing moms out there. So let's pull back the hatred just a bit. I said above that they're real moms making real decisions. In fact, if you give the show a look, most of these moms are struggling with whether or not they should leave their children in the environment that Abby Lee has created. They choose to stay -- except for the one that got the boot -- and you can call that abuse if you want, but let's not sterilize them because they're caught up in the fast-paced world that society has created.

And no, I don't have a list of advertisers. I watched on Hulu, not the Lifetime network itself. Just a lot of All-State and insurance commercials. heh.

Family Section Editor Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )) blogs at Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ). She is a freelance writer and photographer.

kaherbert 7 pts

All "parents" in this show and others like Katie and 8, Toddlers and Tiaras should lose custody of these and all future children.

Do you have a list of advertisers so we can start a boycott till take this travesty off the air?

NotJustAnotherJennifer 7 pts

And NEVER was I treated the way these girls are. I realize it's a different world now - every season of SYTYCD I'm floored by how incredibly talented dancers are today! - but that's no reason to treat children this way.

I missed the first airing - I was curious to see how bad it was - but the commercials were heartbreaking enough.

If my girls love to dance and want to compete, great. If not, fine. I think sports competition is important - it makes me crazy to hear about soccer games where they don't keep score. (Are you kidding? Kids can count. They know they got more/less goals than the other team.) But it's more for learning how to push yourself to do your best, how to deal with disappointment when you don't, how to play fairly and be a good sport, and that winning isn't always the most important thing - it's how you play the game.

NotJustAnotherJennifer is a wife and working mom of two beautiful girls, 3 (going on 13) and 1, which means she's sleep deprived but constantly kept on her toes! Most of those experiences are chronicled on her blog, http://midwestmomments.blogspot.com.

TechnicallyMom 5 pts

I only caught the episode with the Preacher Mom, but that was enough. It brought flashbacks to my own child's experiences with evil dance teachers.

My daughter went to a dance school attached to a professional company for several years, but it was more the mothers that causes issues than the director. Most of the mothers were "desperate housewives" with more money than sense and they ALL thought their daughters were "prima ballerinas"--even the girls who had no business near a dance studio because they either had no aptitude or no desire to be there to begin with.

My daughter wanted to be there, was actually pretty good but was bullied by those other MOTHERS because their girls were not. They were always in my daughter's face when my back was turned, accusing her of making their kids "mess up".

But she kept at it until one year when the perfect storm hit with a new director.

That woman could have been Ms. Lee's twin in attitude. She was more interested in the children of the wealthier parents and actually told several of us that "dance is not a skill POOR children need". She sorted kids out by ZIP codes for class placement. Of course, that meant the children of officers from the air base nearby were treated as "poor".

It didn't matter that I made more money than she did--my ZIP code (also near the air base) doomed my daughter to a class where the children were taught by OLDER STUDENTS and not by trained dancers. My daughter hated being in those classes because it also meant she was no longer going to be allowed to dance in the annual "Nutcracker" performances--that "privilege" was reserved for the children of the wealthy "because they understand the importance of culture more". Really?!?

However, the tuition was the same for every child (no matter where they lived). We were also constantly pressured to invite more people to join the school because people were leaving in droves over the director's attitude.

I finally let my daughter quit after the recital. The director and I had words over her yelling at my child for crying when someone pushed her into a set piece (scraping her face up and drawing blood) because "real dancers work through pain".

And there was plenty of pain--the woman's husband taught classes, too, and was fond of grabbing the students, pushing them into positions they were not ready for and even kicking them into place. He was fired after a parent filed a criminal complaint against him. The wife/director followed soon after.

But it ruined dance for my daughter for a long time. She asked to start up again, but I am not letting her near any studio that puts money over the kids. Maybe a community center class or the dance studio where the students come when they can (taught by a former teacher from her own school who also quit over the director's attitude)... But never that drama again!

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loraleechoate 7 pts

I did a lot of theater and singing as a kid. I paid my way through college with it and perform to this day.

I have a lot of baggage from the CONSTANT critiquing/auditioning/criticism that went on. (To the point that it affects the choices I make for my kids concerning permorming.)

And no one I interacted with even came CLOSE to touching this 'teacher'.

miaarticoli 6 pts

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When my daughter was 5 she actually took dance lessons at the Abby Lee studio. It was awful. Every night she would cry in the car on the way home. SHE WAS 5! The parents that I sat with were over the top. It was a horrific experience for us both so we stopped going.

fran8412 6 pts

This idiotic program should be removed from the air. I am the grandmother of a dancer from one of the nation's top schools. This program is not representative of what goes on in the better schools. It is known that this woman's school is in trouble financially and is dependent on this ridiculous show to get her through. The parents supporting this school need to wise up to what is happening to their children. If they want their children to grow up to be pole dancers, so be it, but most parents are aiming a bit higher. Also her claim to putting her students on Broadway is a lie. She personally wouldn't be welcomed at a pig roast.