Dear World: Rush Limbaugh is NOT Head of the GOP or Conservatism

The Republican Committee may have elected Michael Steele as its new chair, but you can't tell if you've paid any attention at all to the headlines. This isn't due to the left's incessant attempts to portray Rush Limbaugh as the real head of the party - more on this in a bit; rather, it's due to a continuous power vacuum and Steele's hesitance to embrace conservative ideology for fear of sacrificing his "big tent" pseudo-popularity.

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I listen to Rush Limbaugh. I'm not reluctant to admit such; regardless your opinion of him, the man is a brilliant talk radio host and as a talk radio host, I appreciate the skill that goes into driving a daily, four-hour long program with nothing in the room but you, a mic, and maybe an engineer. The names that pop up on the call screen are the only proof that you are still connected to the outside world, the only proof that you're having a conversation. (Emails, et al., are an indication too, but not nearly as organic.) Limbaugh is theatrical; an impresario in the sphere of politics; as good a strategist as Newt Gingrich; as sharp on the uptake as Ronald Reagan; and every bit as vain as any entertainer with his influence.

I regularly find Limbaugh's analysis clever and his ability to hold the GOP's feet to the fire impressive. I'm not going to bash Limbaugh - that's a weak tactic employed by "Republicans" who think the quickest way to earning relevancy is to bash the talk giant (or their own) as a cheap way to appear "bipartisan." I am, however, going to be honest.

I watched some of the CPAC coverage, the big conservative conference in Washington D.C., over the weekend. That same weekend nearly 150,000 people gathered in Las Vegas for Nascar's Sprint Cup Series. I bet if you polled the audience not more than half of them would have been able to even define what CPAC was and why it was being held or who was holding it. So instead of getting out there, holding free meetings with the average American citizen at a time when Americans feel the most under-represented - so much so that they've taken to protesting in the streets and dumping tea in the rivers as a revival of the 1773 aesthetic just to get their voices heard - Republicans holed up at a conference and talked about the technology that many of them still aren't using adequately (the conservative citizens who took to the streets? Another story) and discussed their identity.

Ugh. The Republican party is going through one of those annoying, angsty, and self-imposed "I have to find myself" phases. It seems offensively overindulgent.

I say this because we have a group of policy-makers and wonks sitting around in dark lecture halls wondering what conservative really means, man. And out of all of them, a 13-year-old got it the best: conservatism is conservatism. It is what it is. There is no modification, no redefining. Limbaugh made this point as well, in between grandstanding for the cameras.

I'm not criticizing those who did attend CPAC; I think it's a relatively good idea; but it seemed most of the focus was redundant considering we know what conservatism is. The problem isn't recognition: the problem is that most Republicans are too chicken to embrace it.

When Limbaugh took to the podium he was only supposed to speak for 20 minutes but instead went on for an hour-and-a-half. If you are in the business of talking and thinking out loud, this is not problem. Normally I enjoy Limbaugh's speeches. This time though, I thought that he'd gone over the top.

After the speech the media assailed, quipping, writing that Limbaugh is the head of the GOP and the RNC are nothing but yes men. Michael Steele appeared on D.L. Hughleys CNN show and all but cowered when Hughley compared the GOP to the Nazi Party. Steele overlooked the comment and allowed a truly incendiary comment to be made - to say nothing of the feelings of countless Jewish Republicans, many of whom are among my acquaintance.

Steele went for the bait and allowed himself to be compromised when he clumsily defended himself. ( I do like how he corrected Hughley on the latter's statement that Limbaugh was the "de facto leader of the Republican Party." That's about it, though.)

Steele made the fatal error that conservatives - those ones too chicken to own their ideology? - have been making for the past eight years: he allowed the opposition to define his ideology, his platform. They've allowed society to mark conservatism as dorky, stuffy, and unattractive. As if this wasn't bad enough, there exist some conservatives who believe they have to live up to the stereotype.

Limbaugh has called the GOP out on this repeatedly. I like that he's done it and I also like how he makes the current congressional majority squirm. What I dislike is how Limbaugh has built himself up to be on the first line of defense for the GOP. This is so much so that it has become a distraction: instead of focusing on the economy and this administration's policies, we are focusing on Rush Limbaugh. Sure, Rahm Emmanuel's clever posturing had a hand in this but even he lacks the brilliance to pull it off at this level; I'm one of the minority who feels that it's mostly fueled by Limbaugh's own ego.

I said such on my regular morning radio spot and the hate mail which hit my inbox was ridiculous. All from "conservatives." Once you believe a party or a person has the patent on conservatism you become a blind follower, which negates the premise of it. By this conservatives become the very thing against which they rail and the humorous/sad thing about it is that they're completely unaware of it.

These are the people who completely go menstrual when anything critical of their precious [/Gollum] party is mentioned. The land of Kool-Aid and honey falls on either side of the center line.

Mary Katherine Ham cites the DNC's strategy to exploit this power vacuum:

Today, those same people woke up to find that the White House is not only prioritizing every social program they can think of over the banking crisis, but they've got a detailed, extensive, plan for making Rush Limbaugh the face of the Republican Party.

She links to a Politico piece:

Top Democrats believe they have struck political gold by depicting Rush Limbaugh as the new face of the Republican Party, a full-scale effort first hatched by some of the most familiar names in politics and now being guided in part from inside the White House.

The strategy took shape after Democratic strategists Stanley Greenberg and James Carville included Limbaugh’s name in an October poll and learned their longtime tormentor was deeply unpopular with many Americans, especially younger voters.

[...]

“We helped get the ball rolling on this because we’re looking and listening to different Republican voices around the country, and the one that was the loudest and getting the most attention was Rush Limbaugh,” explained DCCC chairman and Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.).

Rush Limbaugh seems like the "de facto leader of the Republican party" because of the simple aforementioned truth: no one else in the conservative movement has the balls to take a stand and be counted. Those that do are Palinized. Just ask Bobby Jindal.

Ann Althouse makes a brilliant point:

So let's have a free-wheeling outsider voice reviving conservatism. In fact, with all this newfound power, Rush is likely to concentrate on explaining conservatism. He's not out of control, and it would be naive to think he's going to say outrageous things that can be used to hurt Republicans. He's more likely to throw stink bombs when he's not getting enough attention. What he will do now, I think, is highlight things Democrats say and show you why those things are outrageous — and he is at his best and most entertaining when he does exactly that.

There's no smoke and mirrors; it's a lot of cowardice and ruthless ambition. James Carville's work of planting the seed of this idea was easy; conservatives watered it for him.

This doesn't just apply to elected officials; in fact, this applies more to the average, everyday conservative American. Where were the conservatives the past eight years? The protest in which I participated last Friday? I've never been around so many. Now they're coming out; now they're saying something. They've realized what I and others have known for a long time, which is that for too long politicans have thrived on the apathy of the citizenry.They're realizing that it's not enough to watch Fox News or listen to talk radio - passive activities.

People placed too much faith in their elected officials. For the first time they're seeing the importance of having your government work for you and not vice-versa.

So for any Republican to place the blame of a co-opted spokesman squarely on the shoulders of Mike Duncan or Michael Steele is intellectually dishonest. The GOP didn't form a message because the people didn't hold them accountable. Any Republican upset at the perception that Limbaugh speaks for the Republican party can look at their own reflection for responsibility. Any liberal that would attack Limbaugh as the representative for the GOP does so with the silent understanding that it's easier to attack an individual than an entire party or a a political ideology to which half the country subscribes. No matter how you slice it, it's intellectually dishonest.

Sister Toldjah has a golden nugget in her piece questioning Steele's ability to lead the RNC:

Of course none of this takes into account that both parties have prominent people within it who espouse views that most of them agree with on a general level - the Democrats have them with the Daily Kos and HuffPo crowds, who they’ve gotten quite cozy with over the years, and the GOP has them with Rush Limbaugh’s listeners. People are naturally going to gravitate to public figures they can relate with and to, and there’s nothing wrong with that. However, the Obama administration would have the American people thinking that this is a dangerous thing simply because Rush puts to the airwaves the feelings, thoughts, and ideas so many conservatives across this country have.

Also, regarding the issue of who and what conservatives want to fail, this post is definitive reading.

 

Blogher Contributing Editor Dana Loesch also blogs at Mamalogues and DanaRadio (to name a few) and is a talk radio host.

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Well written.

I always enjoy your posts.

I tire quickly when it comes to media yes men and followers of 'Pied Pipers', who dance and follow joyfully, but can't define what they themselves stand for.

I enjoy listening to Rush. While no leader of the GOP, he is great at what he does. The people who see him as a threat, are the same people who love PORK and seek their own agendas.

I'm thankful free speech allows this conversation and allows this part of 'we the people' to offer some TEA to go with their PORK.

Sis

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Well done, Mamalogues. The

Well done, Mamalogues. The especially good insight is that we have been passive in letting politicians get away with "thriving on the apathy of citizens."

On another note, I actually think the Dem strategy of targeting Rush will work for him as people who may have ignored him in the past will tune in to see what the fuss is about. He is a brilliant entertainer and educator. And, whether it's his ego or the Dem attack strategy that's propelling him to general attention, at least people are beginning to discuss these issues. The GOP leadership vaccum in the current environment is heartbreaking as we watch the efforts by Obama, et.al. to remake society into a robust imitation of European models. (Models I might add that haven't worked there and won't work here.)

Until there are other compelling voices, I'll continue to tune to Rush and his golden IEB microphone.

 

 

 

I'm curious where conservatives stand on Rush's hate speech

So many conservatives tell me the same thing you did in this post- that yes, you listen to Rush, and yes, he's good at what he does.

How, given what he has said in the past and will no doubt say in the future, can you support him?

Given the laundry list of racist, sexist, and nasty remarks - even if it is "entertainment" - why do you listen?

Why do you forgive his hate speech? WHy does that get glossed over in favor of his ability to hold an audience for 4-hours because he's such a great showman?

If Rachel Maddow used hate speech, I'd stop watching her, no matter how entertaining she was.

I no longer watch Chris Matthews on MSNBC because I couldn't listen to his sexist remarks any longer.

Given the YEARS of outright racist and sexist HATE speech, very clear hate speech, coming from Rush...regardless of what else comes out of his mouth HOW ON EARTH can you be part of his audience?

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

 

I find it interesting that

I find it interesting that many of the same people who swept Jeremiah Wright's comments under the rug are now suddenly concerned with "hate speech." I'm not suggesting that you did that Erin, although I don't recall seeing what you said about the matter. Anything can be "hate speech" when manipulated to be such and I often find that outright lies are told about others just to encourage people to hate that person be it for personal or political reasons.

I and others don't listen to "hate speech" either.

Dana Loesch
Mamalogues.com

Host and executive producer, "The Dana Show"
on Fox News affiliate KFTK 97.1 FM Talk

 

I listened and learned from CE Kim Pearson...

...who wrote several great Wright articles.

I don't attend Wright's church. There for, I am not in his audience.

I'm not sure what else you call this list of Rush remarks- would you define it as NOT hate speech?

1. I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.

2. You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.

3. Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?

4. Right. So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela — who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing.

5. Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller).

and

"We're not sexists, we're chauvinists -- we're male chauvinist pigs, and we're happy to be because we think that's what men were destined to be. We think that's what women want."

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

Not hate speech, or hate speech? If it's not hate speech- it's something you are obviously comfortable listening too and have no issues with? Those things aren't enough to have you turn him off?

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

 

Wright vs Limbaugh

It wasn't Wright drawing the serious heat, it was Obama taking it based on Wright.

Big difference. 

As for Rush, I reiterate that he has slammed and defamed and denigrated, he almost  single-handedly ushered in an age of divisivenness and high polarisation in politics. 

What is different now is that a lot of this country thought he made sense, say... 25 years ago; even 8 years ago. Now, well, probably only his actual listeners think he makes any sense at all.

His version of extreme political idealogy has been ripped from its foundation, tossed in the air, and slammed down, now shattered into a million different discredited pieces. And not by the opposition, but rather through its own self-disintegration - it was unworkable, it thumbed its nose at lessons learned long before, and repeating the mistakes of the past, well, we know where that takes us.

 

llhaesa

 

Please provide your source

Please provide your source material and we will go from there. I'm not going to allow you to try to defame me as a bigot with anecdotal evidence.

Copying and pasting from Kos doesn't cut it.

Dana Loesch
Mamalogues.com

Host and executive producer, "The Dana Show"
on Fox News affiliate KFTK 97.1 FM Talk

 

Who's defaming you?

Nor am I namecalling. I'm asking a very simple question that baffles me about conservatives. I want to know how any conservative can listen to Rush, given what he has said.

It's all very well documented. You can find transcripts on his site (for a price) and he's been unapologetic about each of those quotes above. He's made headlines with all of them. He even lost his job at ESPN because of his racist remarks on Donovan McNabb. None of this is made up by crazy lefty liberals. Rush is PROUD he's said this stuff.

Young Turks have been pulling his audio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLVTzljOjA and you can see and hear more if you scroll through their stuff.

We're not delusional. Rush engages in hate speech, and markets it to boot.

He made the "bone in nose" comment in the 70's, and spent the entire early 90's with the others.

I worked at WDBO in Orlando for 3 years and listened to him for 3 years. When Carol Moseley-Braun was in the Senate, he would play "Movin' On Up" from the Jefferson's when he talked about her.

I'm NOT making this up. I heard most of these with my own ears. But am GLAD it's being documented, because it seems the conservatives who listen to him just let it slide on by.

Fair.org documented the early 90's stuff for a 1995 BOOK on the matter _ AN ENTIRE BOOK _ because he's been THAT RACIST AND THAT SEXIST FOR THAT LONG.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2549

He's been preaching hate for decades yet there everyone on the right is...listening and supporting his show. And giving him credibility and a big voice.

I find it disgusting. Hate speech turned into main stream entertainment.

Do I believe everyone who listens to Rush believes what he believes? Of course not. However I do not understand HOW they can listen to him and why it's "ok" to be part of his audience.

That's not namecalling, defaming, or the typical GOP trick of guilt by association.

I simply want to know WHY you're comfortable with listening to Rush, because I'm not and it has nothing to do with our opposing political views.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

 

Hate speech and dog whistles are Limbaugh's bread and butter

karoli

 One of the more recent and obvious examples took place quite recently, when he likened the process of understanding 'liberals' to an effort to understand murderers and rapists. The quote, in context, is here:

Within the confines of our Constitution, and the political arena of
ideas, they must be stopped. I don't care why they see this country the
way they see it. I don't care why a murderer does it. I don't care why
a rapist does it. I don't care why this Muslim guy offed his wife's
head. The NOW gang is out there saying 'oh, that's not domestic
violence, that's just, uh, that's just...' what do they call it?
'Culturally honor killing. Or this woman was going to divorce him,
that's against the law. That's his diversity.' I don't care, I don't
care why anymore. If I figure it out, I'll be glad to tell you
because
it's interesting to know, but it doesn't matter in terms of defeating
them.

This diatribe was concluded with a call to his listeners once again, that "they must be stopped".

Now, he covered himself by inserting the "within the confines of our Constitution" language, so he can't be sued, but make no mistake: That was a clear clarion call to people who respond to dog-whistle hate speech. 

Frankly, I'm amazed that any straight-thinking conservative would adopt Rush Limbaugh as any sort of leadership figure. Limbaugh is the master of stoking incendiary and hateful extremes, and he does it with relish.

Antagonists exist to destroy, not build up.

odd time signatures (life)
bang the drum (politics)

 

What happens when dog whistles are answered

 Tragedy

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/95112/the_tragic_arkansas_shooting_an...

 Yes, Limbaugh and others are partially responsible. This is the principle of the "fire" shout in a crowded theater.

 

karoli

odd time signatures (life)
bang the drum (politics)

 

Via Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp

As I said, it's not really in question as to what he said.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

 

Ignore that is his on Countdown

but he has audio clips from Rush

http://bit.ly/DpoNw

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

 

Ugh

I'm not even going to try to be articulate about this.

Rush sucks.  I'm not referring to him as an "entertainer" or his skills at talk radio.  He's built an empire, and I can't ignore that.  But, he made his empire being a shitty human being.  Racism and bigotry pervade not only his shows, but his print garbage that he puts out and my father-in-law leaves in the bathroom for me to read at his house.He is destructive and divisive to this country, and his popularity is testament to the fact that racism and sexism is alive and well in the US.  If the GOP wants to keep validating him as a defacto leader, then they'll continue to alienate those fiscal conservatives who actually have a soul. If he had to rely on actual rhetoric and facts, he wouldn't be in business.

Furthermore, is there any evidence of him ever speaking kindly or compassionately about or respectfully to anyone who isn't a right-winger?  Can he actually have a respectful discourse with anyone he doesn't agree with?  This is an honest question.

I guess I would echo Erin's sentiments.  Why defend him?  Why associate yourself with someone like him?  I mean, Dana, you've said many times that you can't handle people who can't respect differing opinions.  It seems like Rush would be the epitome of someone intolerant to others.

 

 

And still no one provides a

And still no one provides a single audio soundbite or transcript or any evidence to support the quotes Erin gave.

What we have instead are a bunch of unproven, egregiously partisan sources, an amateur, random audio bite from Young Turks in which no on has specified what exactly in it they oppose - it doesn't include any of the things mentioned above - and some mashups from Keith Olbermann? A link to Snopes that also doesn't cite any audio or a transcript? Sorry, no dice. I do not believe that Markos or Keith speak to God and that their words are truth. 

I'm not going to answer your question, Erin, because the very premise of it is illogical - and opinion does not validity make. You framed it in a certain way to either mark the responder as a Rush basher or a bigot. Neither are fair.

KBO makes a great point though - that the GOP continues to validate him because no one in the party can get it together and outspeak him. Until that time they're stuck with the association. 

His quote about NOW is respective to how feminists have been silent about the treatment of female victims in honor killings (in comparison to other issues). He's highlighting the double standard. That's not really hate speech simply because he disagrees with someone. 

Dana Loesch
Mamalogues.com

Host and executive producer, "The Dana Show"
on Fox News affiliate KFTK 97.1 FM Talk

 

Seriously

Are you serious?  That is your answer? You will not respond because it is Keith Olberman or the sources were not cited, It is all some vast conspiracy to make Rush out to be something he is not.  Why is it that liberals are alwys out to get any conservative we dare to disagree with.  You have got to be kidding. But this one is dated and time stamped for you.

 

Michelle

I blog at http://www.mommycan.blogspot.com/

 

Ugh.

Perhaps someone else would like to come along and give a factual history lesson to debunk what Rush Limbaugh is doing in this soundbite and to separate fact from propaganda and out and out BS. I'm just supplying the YouTube video. But why anyone should have to prove that Rush Limbaugh is prone to heavy embellishment is beyond me since he's admitted he embellishes and uses inflammatory language even if it stirs up hate. He does it for the ratings.

This is where someone from the peanut gallery shouts out, "See, we toldjah he was an entertainer." What? Does that mean he has some kind of get-out-of-jail-free card or that entertainers don't influence people and sometimes even run for and win public office?

Since you've implied that soundbites from a progressive source may have been doctored or taken out of context, I recommend you contact Limbaugh to see if this is in fact what he said, but here's a link to the transcript at his site.

On Jindal, he deserved the pan. That's my governor and he told more lies in his rebuttal than a drunk trying to bed a hooker.

Dana, I'm troubled that you compared Jeremiah Wright and Rush Limbaugh. And that's the most I'll say on that subject. Maybe it's a generational thing.

It would be waste of time to define hate speech b/c it's an ongoing debate on BlogHer and around the Net. Anyone can google it, but at this point I'd suggest folks who honestly want to know what it is should go to a library and hit the stacks. Oh, wait, I forgot. Conservatives don't trust books written by professors because they think most professors are liberals and so can't do fair research.

Blogher is non-partisan, and the posting of Rush Limbaugh soundbites is given in response to the above request.

Link: Rush Limbaugh Wants to Debate Obama: Political Machismo Theater 2

Nordette: BlogHer CE. Blogs @ WSATA & UMBOP. @Twitter

 

Media Matters recently did a

Media Matters recently did a roundup of some of the worst of Rush.  (And I'm sure you'll probably say that they have a liberal agenda and can't be trusted, but most of the items on their list have links to the audio clips of exactly what Rush said.)  I think one of the simplest examples is his repeated use of the term "feminazi" to describe feminists.  If I replied to your blog and said "Rush Limbaugh is just a Nazi", you'd jump all over me.  So why is it okay for him to use such an offensive term to describe women that he disagrees with?

(And just as an aside, anyone who has spent any amount of time in the feminist blogosphere knows that your claim that feminists are silent on the issue of honor killings is completely false and ridiculous.)

 

The Evil Slut Clique

EvilSlutopia

 

Feminists and Honor killings.

You are correct, ESC.  Here's a post at BlogHer on honor killings, not that Professor Kim has declared herself as a feminist in the post, but certainly she received comments from feminists and womanists. 

Updated: I forgot to add this link to NOW, a piece on violence against women that includes the recent beheading of the TV exec's wife, the same one Kim discusses in her post. 

Nordette: BlogHer CE. Blogs @ WSATA & UMBOP. @Twitter

 

I find it interesting

I find it interesting that the actual article in no way defends Limbaugh, yet the self described progressive voices here at blogher are doing exactly what the liberal talking heads are doing, using any mention of him as a distraction.

 

INteresting Analysys

Overall your analysis isn't bad but I think you're making the mistake of confusing conservatives with Republicans.  Clearly they are not the same thing.  I am a conservativer, I was a Republican.  The party left me much as the Democrat Party left Ronald Reagan.

Rush can be bombastic and pompus and he certianly joked with that at CPAC.  As you say, he is brilliant and his analysis is often right on target.  But I don't always agree with him and I certainly not in lockstep with him.  I think that's true of most conservatives.  The GOP is another story.

Rush seems to want to save the GOP while I'm not at all convinced it can be saved or that it's worth saving.  I'd like to think it is but I see little evidence to suppor the premise.  At any rate, having recently discovered you, I'm enjoying your writing!

 

There are crazy people on both sides of the aisle.

Really?-if you do not listen to Chris Matthews (or Keith Olbermann or Al Franken, or James Carville, or Joy Behar or Rosie O’Donnell or most of the crap that comes out of the DailyKOS) that somehow means the hateful, awful, nasty things that are said (or printed) don’t exist?  To say that you no longer listen to them in justification for criticizing another for listening to Rush is silly. I don’t listen to Rush. I am conservative. Things like this are rarely mutually exclusive, nor wedded together. This isn’t “Love and Marriage” –you can have one without the other. Rush is just one person talking very loudly on a public stage-like tons of liberals out there. So what. I agree with some things he says, I disagree with others. Guess what? I have my own mind and am completely and fully capable of making my own decisions. Just like I try to assume most liberals are. Rush is not “the voice” for the Republican party; he is but ONE voice, of many who are dissatisfied with the way things are going and he has the balls to stand up to conservatives who AREN’T conservative and to say some things that need to be said. Sometimes he just says some things that are stupid. Again, to that I say: so what.  So do I. Umm,yeah.so. do. you.

Finally, I agree that no where here do I read Dana saying things in defense of Rush. Rush is a big boy, let him defend himself. I see points made about what he says (good and bad) and also where she points out he can be a pompous ass. Just because we listen to someone doesn’t mean everything that comes out of their mouth is gospel. Dana is a smart chick-I have no doubt she can make up her own mind about things.  

And for the rest who you might claim are too mentally deficient to make up their own mind, therefore Rush must be stopped-pu-leeze………get your own house in order before you sniff around ours. There are crazy people on both sides of the aisle. 

Oh and just to be clear and thorough-I do not support Michael Steele. I did not like him from the start and now I like him even less. He is soft and squishy and does not support the true conservative agenda. I am done with Republicans who have no idea what is means to be a conservative. Dana is right-if I am going to cry about my situation then I must look in the mirror and take action. And I am. Oh believe me, I am.

 

Nordette-- I listened to the

Nordette--

I listened to the youtube video you supplied and I don't understand what you're offended about.

Rush says that many immigrants have come to the states, worked hard and assimilated. I think that's pretty much true.

He also says that blacks feel as if they've been left behind despite affirmative action efforts. I think many blacks would agree and in fact, I think it's true, too. There was an egregious incident here in a Houston suburb recently regarding white policemen roughing up a black kid and his mom for no reason other than they are black. I hope the family sues the pants off the city and the cops.

He says the welfare state helped to create a generation of single mother households. I think that's generally true. I believe the rate of out-of-wedlock children which had been at something like 90% decreased with the Clinton reforms.

He says that some leaders of the black community foster hate for their country and for white people. I think that's true. (If I had had to take some of the shit that some of my friends in my generation had to take, I might be right there with them.)

So, I honestly don't understand what is offensive. Now, don't yell at me, tell me. I'd like to know.

(BTW, one interesting point is that Obama's father left his wife and child, but Obama wrote a book called "Dreams of my Father." I would have written one called "Dreams of my Mother"--the one who saw he was taken care of. That's the person who deserves his respect and love. IMO.)

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to yell at you, Norma.

But I'm not going to explain further because if I did you'd probably think I was yelling at you.

Perhaps there's another person passing through who's not as worn out as I am and can explain, but I feel like I've been expalining hate speech most of my life, much of the time here, sometimes in conversations that included the very same people on this thread. I may be forming the conclusion it's possible it's a difference in brainwaves or something.

I give up not on you specifically but on situations in which as a woman of color I have to explain the same stuff over and over and over. What is propaganda? What is hate speech? What's up with the "N" word? Why do you think Rush Limbaugh's a bigot? 

So, when I tell people to hit the library, I mean that now. It's painful and if I have to explain why it's painful then ... it's back to the brainwave theory.

If you want to read a piece to give you insight beyond arguments about Rush Limbaugh, then I suggest Maria Niles's "Racism and the race: What's white privilege got to do with it?

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Okay, Nordette. I'm sorry. I

Okay, Nordette. I'm sorry. I skimmed through Maria's column and will read it more carefully in the morning.

I think there are language nuances that often cause offense when none is intended.

 

Obama didn't appreciate his mother?

Norma, I just wanted to note that it seems clear to me that you have not read either of Obama's books. The entire point of "Dreams From My Father" was to track down what scraps remained of his father, because he was never a presence in his life. To suggest that he devalues his mother's love and sacrifice by wondering about his absent and deceased father, as well as his extensive unknown family, is ridiculous and offensive.
 
He begins with the fact that he was raised by his mother and her parents, that they love and sacrificed for him and he could never thank them enough, etc. etc., and having soaked that up and appreciated it his whole life, it was a logical next step to try to find out who exactly his father was, and how that man in his absence has informed his own life.
 
The virtues of his mother are touted every time she's mentioned, and beyond that, he goes on at length about her in his second book. And if it makes you feel any better, for some reason, he has very little to say about his father that could be called positive without any qualifications.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with his premise or process in any way, and again, if you would actually read at least his first (fantastic, completely non-political) book, while you might be sad at the loss of your useless, flippant comment completely unbased on facts, you'd have gained more than just a valuable glimpse into the life and thought process of this person your neighbors have chosen to lead us.
 

 So you're saying people

 So you're saying people shouldn't feel free to trash a book that they haven't read and don't know anything about beyond the title?  That's crazy talk ;)

 

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Call me crazy

Yeah, I know, right?

 I realize in rereading my comment just how overly lengthy and odd it sounds, but I've just heard this baseless, snide little quip made several times before, and it never makes any sense to me. Can't they just stick to pointing out his middle name and stuff, instead of trying so desperately to find additional points at which to lob unproductive/inaccurate personal attacks?

 Speaking of his book, it must kill the hardcore Republicans (as opposed to conservatives) who just can't put down their battle armor that they can't talk much about Obama's drug use after our last president made "I didn't inhale" a long-forgotten, fond memory. 

 I can't help but notice that the "hardcore-Republican [hypocritical] drug user" part ties this tangential comment chain up nicely back with its original subject, don't you?

 

If Rush isn't the leader of

If Rush isn't the leader of the GOP at this point, why is it that it seems that no Republican can say anything even slightly negative or critical about him without having to immediately turn around and apologize for it? 

 

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I am going to make one thing

I am going to make one thing clear:

I emphatically don't condone such speech. HOWEVER, I am not going to vilify a person until such proof exists that they even said it. There is no proof. Erin threw a bunch of quotes here that not a single person has been able to prove were said. There are no audio bites. There are no transcripts. People throw up Youtube videos to things that have nothing to do with the quotes that were given. 

We are innocent until proven guilty in this country. Calling someone a racist or a bigot is a serious charge and I am not going to blindly join the mob because someone said he said. I need more than that to hate a person. Everyone, regardless on what side of politcs they fall, should be afforded that same privilege. Fee free to get mad at me all you want for that.

Regarding the "feminazi term" hell, I'VE used that term before to facetiously rib a few women that, in my opinion, deserved it. Am I a sexist because of that? No. Chris Matthews, Bill Mahr, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermawhatever, Michael Moore have all said worse things than the above-mentioned. As strictly an example, I could just as easily apply these charges to any of them. They get a pass because they are liberal, which is why this outcry is so ridiculous. Chris Matthews says the GOP "outsourced" Jindal - where is the fit over that? It does nothing to lead me away from the assumption that such bigotry is acceptable when applied to conservatives only. 

Goodwynne - Thanks! Though I realize that, which iw shy I was, and am, careful to separate conservatives and Republicans and even did so in the title of this post. 

So now can we take President Obama's advice and forget the distractions and get to the meat and potatoes of what's ailing this country? And can Republicans get their identity together?

Dana Loesch
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Host and executive producer, "The Dana Show"
on Fox News affiliate KFTK 97.1 FM Talk

 

The Media Matters link that

The Media Matters link that we posted is full of audio clips and transcripts.  Are there specific quotes that you think are made up that you want clips for? 

And in my opinion, using the term 'feminazi' is definitely sexist.  You can say that you only use it when it's "deserved" (whenever that might be), but that doesn't mean it's not a sexist thing to do or that the term is not offensive. 

 

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