In the current discussion and debate about health care reform proposals the methods of paying for, administering and delivering universal basic health care benefits in other countries are often raised as models of either what we should emulate or what we should fear adopting.
Although President Obama has said that we must find a "uniquely American" approach to health care reform, our current system utilizes different aspects of global approaches and various proposed legislation would move us closer to the models used in other countries. Therefore it is useful to understand what approaches exist in order to weigh the possible pros and cons of various reform proposals.
1. UK, Spain, Italy, Finland, Israel, Hong Kong, Cuba and New Zealand: Socialized Medicine or the Beveridge-Model:
The widely used and oft-referenced political term "socialized medicine" does not have a strict definition but is widely thought to mean health care delivered in a system where the government runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. This is the model used in Great Britain's National Health Service and used in the United States by the Veteran's Health Administration (commonly referred to as the VA).
2. Canada, Taiwan, South Korea: Single Payer or National Health Insurance:
Single payer, though often used interchangeably in political debate debates with socialized medicine, differs from government administered healthcare systems (which are also single payer) in that in these countries it refers to the payment mechanism for private health care delivery. Rather than individuals and employers paying health insurance companies and those health insurance companies separately paying doctors, hospitals, pharmacies and other health care providers, individuals and employers pay into a single, common fund which the government administers and uses to pay health care providers. In other words, there is one basic insurance plan and everyone has it. This model is used in the United States by Medicare.
3. Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Japan, Switzerland: Multi Payer, Private Insurance or The Bismarck Model:
In this approach, private insurance plans are regulated for-profit and not-for-profit and must accept everyone. Everyone is required to purchase insurance, premiums are paid through a mix of employee, employer and taxpayer contributions and low-income citizens receive government assistance in paying premiums. Because of the use of private insurance to administer payment, this model is closet to the current American system and thus Germany and Switzerland are often mentioned as the most realistic and likely models for reform efforts in the United States particularly in efforts to provide universal coverage. In the United States, Massachusetts has instituted a universal health care system similar to this model.
4. Numerous, including many poor, non-industrialized, non-Western countries: Out-of-Pocket:
In this model patients pay health care practitioners directly. In the United States, prior to the advent and widespread adoption of employer-based health insurance, this was the primary method for health care payment. In the United States this is the current method of payment for some without health insurance, for some elective surgeries such as cosmetic plastic surgery or laser vision correction and for some procedures not covered by insurance companies (e.g., those deemed experimental) or so-called alternative practices (e.g. chiropractic or acupuncture).
Current legislative proposals that may be voted upon when Congress returns to session in September include H.R. 3200 (AKA "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009" introduced in the 111th Congress) which contains elements of approach number 3., The Bismarck Model, from above and H.R. 676 (AKA "United States National Health Care Act or the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act" originally proposed in 2003 and reintroduced every year subsequently) which would extend Medicare to all Americans and thus is a single payer proposal. There are no current proposals to adopt a UK-style, government operated health care system.
President Obama has explicitly rejected pursuing a Canadian-style single payer health care system and instead has advocated more of a hybrid, Swiss-style approach to reform. As part of health care reform with a goal of universal coverage, a so-called "public option' might offer a partial single payer approach to some Americans who do not receive employer coverage (like Medicare, not covering all Americans in a single payer system as in Canada) or it might offer a Bismark-style approach by allowing individuals to buy into the Federal Employee Health Benefits program which also covers members of Congress.
Remember that HR 676 and 3200 are just proposals in the House and will eventually have to compete and combine with Senate proposals before anything is sent to the president to consider signing. As the debate resumes with Congress's return presently, you can read and evaluate the proposals as they progress using the tools from The Sunlight Foundation that Nancy Watzman has been sharing with us, like Open Congress which I linked to the House Resolutions above.
Previously by this author: Health Care: Understanding the Policy Discussion and What Women Want
World Views From BlogHers:
PhD in Parenting: Public health care: Canadian perspective on myths and reality
Temporarily me dot com: I'll keep my dilapidated, aging 'Nazi Socialist*' health care system over yours any day. (Canada)
Kelly at Almost Frugal: Healthcare in France and Going to the Doctor in France
BlogHer Member Foreign Correspondent: À AIMER: Getting Sick Part Two, or The Joys of Civilized Medicine and French Versus American Income Taxes: Who Pays More? (Part Three of Getting Sick)
The Women's International Perspective (The WIP):
-Katie Thompson: National Healthcare? Too Many Hands in the Honey Pot (UK)
-Brittany Shoot: Say Hello to Yellow: State-Sponsored Healthcare in Denmark
-Aralena Malone-Leroy: À votre santé: Socialized Healthcare in France
Christina Geyer at AmiExpat:
- Health Care in Germany
- My Experiences with the US and German Health Care Systems
- More Real Experiences with the German Health Care Systems
- Experiences with Universal Health Care Around the World
- Universal healthcare: Taking on the myths
Related Reading:
Nancy Watzman for BlogHer: Health care reform -- reading the bill(s)
For those who want extra credit, you can go beyond reading the House version of the health care bill, America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, H.R. 3200, over at OpenCongress.org. Thanks to my colleague Paul Blumenthal, who collected these from the various committees, you can see the versions of the the House bill considered by the three different House committees that considered it. You can also see a draft of the Senate version of the bill, which has yet to be assigned an official number:
House Energy & Commerce Committee Draft
House Education & Labor Committee Draft
House Ways & Means Committee Draft
Senate Health, Education, Labor & Pensions Committee Draft
Interview of T.R. Reid, author of The Healing of America: A Global Quest For Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care, by Terry Gross on Fresh Air from WHYY: Audio and Transcript
T.R. Reid at The Washington Post: 5 Myths About Health Care Around the World
Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight: Not All Socialist Countries are Alike (UK vs. Canada)
Princeton Economist Uwe E. Reinhardt at The New York Times:
- A Medicare-Like Plan for the Non-Elderly (possibility for a "public option")
- Pricing a Medicare-Like Public Health Plan (pricing Reinhardt's public option)
- Health Reform Without a Public Plan: The German Model
- What Is 'Socialized Medicine'?: A Taxonomy of Health Care Systems
- A German Import That Could Help U.S. Health Reform
Septimus at The Whig: Do You Want The Same Health Care That Congress Gets?
Jerry Flanagan at ConsumerWatchdog.org: What does the "public" in "public option" really mean? (Medicare-like or FEHB extension?)
The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation: Massachusetts Health Care Reform: Three Years Later (September 2009)
This fact sheet describes the basic components of the landmark Massachusetts health reform law, examines how many people have gained coverage and discusses cost containment and affordability goals and implementation challenges.
BlogHer CE Maria Niles also discusses health care reform on her personal blog PopConsumer
Comments
Socialized Medicine
Our government can't even run the Cash for Clunkers program effectively and there is no constitutional grounds for much of what has come about since the depression era, so we don't need to wreck the best health care system in the world just to let Obama have his way. He has never run anything of significance and does not know what he is doing. Or maybe he does in another sense: he is destroying the American way of life and using health care to institute de facto racial "restitution" for slavery.
Out with the current Congress!! We need real statesmen who act according to the constitution and the good of the country.
Susan http://www.creativelifenow.blogspot.com http://fun-home-preschool.com
I wasn't going to respond, but
to your Mad Libs-style collection of ideological talking points because they are off topic to the post. However I have been deeply troubled by one of your assertions:
And while I remain hesitant to add any oxygen to your fire, I must say that not only is this statement deeply troubling but, as the descendant of slaves who had to flee their captors and also the country until it began to "destroy the [then] American way" and begin to live up to some semblance of the notion that all human beings are free and equal and they could return, it is also overwhelmingly offensive.
A few more Canadian voices
Thanks for writing his and for linking to my post. I had been thinking of doing a post here and linking to a few of the other Canadian voices on healthcare, but perhaps I'll just add them here in the comments instead.
Amber from Strocel.com in Canadian Health Care tackles some of the basics and battles the myths.
Childbearing Canada with a vision for Maternity Care Alternatives (discussions on how to improve care for everyone and reduce costs and burden on the system become very important in a public system where providing excellent value to taxpayers is a priority, rather than making profits for insurance companies and health care providers).
Loukia from Loulou's Views writes Loulou's Anatomy (my take on Health Care)
Thanks again for sharing this information and helping Americans to develop a more informed view of what public health care means and looks like in other countries.
PhD in Parenting - http://phdinparenting.com
Thanks for adding these voices
I'm so glad you shared these posts. And thank you for your post. It was very thoughtful and has generated terrific discussion on your blog.
I hope people will take time and actually ready your and others perspectives and help reduce some of the fear mongering.
More Canadian Voices
How about this "Canadian voice," spoken loudly and clearly by the incoming President of the Canadian Medical Association, Dr. Anne Doig? According to this Washington Times article, she talks about the necessity for Canadian doctors to address the terrrble problems with their system. Dr. Doig's exact quote is,
"We all agree that the system is imploding, and
we all agree that things are more precarious than Canadians perhaps
realize."
I'll take Dr. Doig's professional opinion over an opinion on a message board or from a blogger any day. Comparing the United States to other programs such as ones in tiny countries in Europe really isn't legitimate, unless you want to take the problems they have and magnify them to the scale of a country this large and a government this inept. Good point on the clunkers program, Pushy. I don't think I'm interested in my health becoming a "clunker." Also, since some of that all-important stimulus money actually was sent to murderers and rapists in prison recently who all began cashing in their checks, I doubt the current administration is very good at making sure money isn't wasted and is applied correctly, despite their claims to the contrary.
To me, anyone who actually believes it's a great idea to give any ol' government employee access to our private health care information, let them take part in handling anything as crucial and complex as our national health care while they fumble at funding it in this broken economy without wait times, red tape and more human suffering than we have now needs to go ride off into fairyland on a shiny pink unicorn.
Comment from PhD in Parenting's post
Certainly you are free to weigh and evaluate sources as you see fit. And if you don't wish to take the point of view of bloggers there are certainly quite a few neutral, non-partisan resources linked in my post. There are many, many resources available for readers to use to investigate the issues and come to an informed decision.
However, I suspect you wish to find and believe sources that confirm to your ideology and position. As to how neutral and informed Dr. Doig's position is (and The Washington Times is hardly a neutral source) I'll share this comment from "Grant" from PhD in Parenting's post and excellent discussion in the comment section:
Dr. Doig is the lead lobbyist for doctors
It is important to note that Dr. Doig is not exactly an objective observer. She is the lead lobbyist for doctors in Canada. Of course she is going to say the types of things that will result in more resources being given to doctors. That is her job. If she got up and said "everything is great", then she (a) wouldn't have been elected to her position and (b) would be falling down on the job. The Canadian health care system is not perfect and I am glad that there are people like Anne Doig, our politicians, special interest groups, bureaucrats, and so on working to improve it. But "imploding" is certainly an exaggeration.
PhD in Parenting - http://phdinparenting.com
Hmm...
So, we have heard your opinions. I'd like to know what your non-fairyland-shiny-pink-unicorn solutions are?
Do you think that the system doesn't need change at all?
What would you and Pushy have to see to feel better about a reform bill passing?
Everyone in this country has talked the problems to death. I feel strongly that it's time for solutions to be focused on. You seem passionate about the topic and I'd like to hear that passion turned into ideas and problem solving.
So? What do you think would solve things? Where are the areas you could be flexible to work with the other side of the aisle on this?
The Non Pink, Shiny Unicorn to Fairyland
Approach
"Everyone in this country has talked the problems to death." Sorry that the continued pinpointing of problems in the proposed health care bill is irritating you loralee, but part of coming up with solutions is identifying what should NOT be done by any means along with what should be done. So prepare yourself for more of that pesky talkin'. Or would you rather rush to pass crappy legislation that is the equivalent of dumping gallons of lighter fluid on a big bureaucratic fire of deficit that's already raging out of control? No need to rush something that will have a massive impact on the quality of our lives and the lives of future generations, as well as strain our economy and inflate taxes for the long term.
"Read the links or don't but your implication that they shouldn't be
linked if they don't agree with you or carry some credential you deem
appropriate will not fly here." Ok. So why then are you saying that I am in the wrong for linking to the Washington Times or anything else that supports my opinion? Because you don't agree with it or it doesn't carry some "grass-roots blogger credential" that you deem appropriate? Well it ain't flyin.'
I could blather on in my wordy way about how the health care bill leaves loopholes wide open for abuse by people here illegally, therefore further increasing the deficit and cost burden on taxpayers. Or about tort reform to quash the billions of dollars worth of unnecessary testing done to cover medical butt, therefore driving up insurance costs.
Instead, I'm going to link to what I believe is one of the best articles I've seen yet on the issue. It contains sensible, reasonable ideas for reform, every one of which I strongly support. Reform that can happen without the public laying down and giving the government heretofore unrivaled power and control, letting them dictate and steamroll over them while guaranteeing the entire system becomes as Fubar as the rest of the "helpful" programs they bankrupt and run into the ground. But prepare yourselves, because it's from *wheeze* that evil, published affront to the left, the Wall Street Journal. Yes, the article written by the CEO of Whole Foods, the store from which far-lefties all over are now grabbing their last boxes of tofu before the big boycott, all because he had enough testicular matter to go out on a limb and publish the truth.
I seriously doubt
...that you are not writing from a stance of absolute bias yourself and are not trying to find sources that support your opinion as well. Isn't that how you have a legitimate debate? Citing sources? Not all of your sources are nonpartisan. Some are just opinions by random people. Of course Canadian citizens have pride in their country and many are going to want to defend their healthcare system. The fact remains that in U.S. states all along the Canadian border, Canadians are regulars at our hospitals and clinics there. Hrm. Why isn't it the other way around, since their system is so stellar and our system is so horrifying and broken?
The fact that the quote comes from a Washington Times opinion piece has no bearing on the fact that Dr. Doig said that about their system there. Completely disregarding a quote from an M.D. who is President of the CMA because you're implying that she's greedy is pretty disingenuous, is it not?
Also, that part about the Canadian system "outperforming" the American system across the board? You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding.
I encourage you to read the piece itself
In the debate about healthcare reform the models of what other countries do are brought up as arguments for what the U.S. should or shouldn't do as I said at the beginning of the post. I described the models in other countries and pointed out, using the proposed legislation itself, which elements from other countries are or are not present. I did not advocate for a Canadian-style system.
In my comment about the incoming head of the CMA, I am pointing out that it is worth taking into consideration that the head of a lobbying organization might have a vested interest in a particular point of view and might not be the most neutral source of information. The Washington Times would not present her voice if it did not conform to their agenda and that does have bearing on their presentation of her opinion.
If I were writing this from my bias I would do everything in my power to advocate for HR 676. Instead I pointed out, factually, that the bill has been introduced for many years, barely has any support and the president, for whom I voted knowing full well that this would be his stance, explicitly rejected any support for the bill or for efforts to implement a Canadian-style health care system in the United States.
In my links to bloggers I included voices in support of and in opposition to the U.S. adopting elements of other countries models. You may not wish to read or give any credence to blogger voices (which of course encourages anyone reading here to ignore both your voice and mine - which is fine - I'd encourage people to read the actual proposed legislation and base their opinions on those facts), however it, as I have pointed out before, is part of BlogHer's mission and mine as a CE to share the voices of women bloggers. Read the links or don't but your implication that they shouldn't be linked if they don't agree with you or carry some credential you deem appropriate will not fly here.
Again, the purpose of this post is to look at what the differences are between the models used by other countries and not to just lump them all together and to see what is actually on the table here in the U.S.. You are free to express your opposition to the president and his policies and positions. And I am happy to engage in further on-topic discussion relevant to this post.
Thanks
Thanks for this. I didn't see your replies before I added mine!
PhD in Parenting - http://phdinparenting.com