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A Decade of Women of Color in Blogging: Who was the First WOC Online?

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I hate labeling boxes when I organize my house or move. I hate filing. I hate the term "women of color blogs." The latter makes me uncomfortable because it creates a sea of women so vast it sends my writing mind into a seizure. What does that mean, "women of color bloggers"?

Does that mean any woman blogging who is not exclusively of European descent? Does it include Jewish women and if it doesn't include Jewish women then should it not include Arab women? After all both groups sprang from the Middle East not Europe. They are both Semites, and both can be classified under the larger umbrella of groups that have been oppressed, not automatically benefiting from "white" privilege.

Does the tag "women of color" include all Asians? Some Westernized Asians don't identify with oppressed people of color at all, sometimes not even other Asians. Sometimes some Asians, as do certain kinds of upper-crusty black folks, mentally imagine themselves to be white.

In many ways, being a person of color politicizes your nature even when you yourself don't feel political. It's an issue I tackled in my poem "A Persistent Pursuit" and another poem that confesses the weariness of a woman of color too often asked to exemplify or explain blackness to a white world. Yes, I am black, and so I speak of blackness, and when I use the term "women of color" people respond with names of black women. Is it because I am black or is "women of color" simply the new politically correct euphemism for black women like "urban author" means black author?

No, it's not, and yet when I asked people to share with me impressions and history on women of color in blogging, most people sent me the names of black female bloggers. Perhaps all that means is that black women who blog have a higher profile.

When the names of mostly black women bloggers started hitting my email box, I suspect the feeling that came over me is the same feeling that weighs down white people when they plan an event celebrating diversity only to look at the program and realize only white people have been scheduled to speak, the result of their only having real relationships with other white people. This insular way of living is probably why such panels end up including very fair-skinned Indian businessmen or Moroccan immigrants who are 1.) Apologetic for their lack of knowledge about American race issues, and 2.) Shocked that anyone noticed they are not "really" white. But I don't live like that. My life is not insular.

Nevertheless, my in-box grew fat with the names of black women bloggers. Not all the names were of black women, but certainly enough to make for a lopsided "decade of women of color in blogging."

Then I ran into another complication. Some women of color, black or otherwise, do not want to be considered women of color bloggers because the label boxes them into the kinds of expectations expressed in the poems mentioned earlier. It seems "women of color blogger" is associated specifically with the woman of color who addresses female empowerment, race and gender issues, and is willing to walk through political bomb minefields as does Renee at Womanist Musings or the Ph.Ds at what once was The Kitchen Table (Melissa Harris-Lacewell and Yolanda Pierce). Therefore, we come to this idea that "woman of color blogger" may have not as much to do with skin color or ethnic roots as it does with having an identity mindset toward race and gender within the sphere of political, cultural, and social justice issues, perhaps, that permeates your blog.

And yet could a piece on women of color bloggers leave out folks like Renee at Cutie Booty Cakes, who's been exceptionally successful online in a short period, Asian Mommy, Modern Mami, or Mocha Moms? Could it exclude the black female writers online using blogs to promote their own work and the work of other writers of color?

Unsure and realizing the sea was too vast for my puny little brain, I crowd-sourced. I decided that was the only way to write a post supposedly examining a decade of women of color blogging and not make a mess like the one Samantha Ettus is accused of making with her very white list of 14 Power Women To Follow On Twitter or a stink like the one Vanity Fair fell into with its

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Cindy Smith 5 pts

As a biracial woman, I look more white than black. But I still identify with being a woman of color. Not everyone can accept that because of my physical appearance.

I'm fairly new to the world of blogging but most of what I like to read/discuss are issues pertaining specifically to women of color. My husband views that as being exclusionary, but I have explained that it isn't about excluding anyone...it is about finding or creating a safe space to talk about things that not everyone can understand, and where we won't be judged or dismissed.

Nordette Adams 6 pts

If I revisit this topic, I'll try again to reach you.

Nordette Adams ( http://www.bookotopia.com ) is a BlogHer CE ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) & you can find her other stuff through Her 411 ( http://her411.com ).

Nordette Adams 6 pts

Appreciation is always good to hear, but it was my pleasure, and Cheryl, thank you for adding another link.

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Cheryl Coward 5 pts

I interviewed several black les/bi women in 1996 about their web presence. Many of us had "blogs" back then, most on the pre-GeoCities Beverly Hills Internet. Unfortunately, the villagevoice.com archives only go back to 1996 but here:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P3-9838346.html

Lynne d Johnson 5 pts

I believe Tiffany B. Brown, one of the first women of color tech bloggers that I knew, was also around at the same time of 2001 or so. And she still blogs.

modernmami 5 pts

What a great article. Very thorough. I'm honored to have even been mentioned.

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Lynne d Johnson 5 pts

Nordette

I wanted to thank you for this piece. Let me say, when you first approached me about this piece, I had no idea I was going to end up being mentioned as one of the first people who came to mind when people think about women of color bloggers.

With that said, I can say that I was blogging/or writing exclusively online even before my personal blog for Digital New York, and then as a tech writer/editor for BlackPlanet.com. My blog started as an extension of my overall site, which was going to serve as my online business card or sorts.

Then I met George Kelly, and later Cecily, who has already been mentioned here. Cecily -- and quite a few others, were all doing this before me. I think Monique at HiedeousKinky was probably up before me, and possibly even huny http://hunyyoung.com/, among others. I didn't even know what blogging was when I started, but I learned from all of them. And there were a few others whose names escape me now.

Perhaps, I ended up being the most visible commercially, and then kept things more consistent, is why my name ended up coming out of the mouths of folks you spoke with for this piece. But I know I wasn't in a sea alone when I first started, and I'm thankful to all of the women of color bloggers who came up before me and alongside me.

I think this piece is a great addition to the collection of various lists of women who tech and women who blog and women who do social media, etc.

Again, thanks.

Best
Lynne

Laracolvin 5 pts

Thanks for the mention, Nordette (and Maria). I've learned so much about life, love, and humanity from the women on this list. I'm bookmarking this post for easy access!

Lara

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Lovebabz 5 pts

Nordette,

Sister you are so ahead of your time!  Sisters blogging...SHOOT! First off I am honored that I got mentioned in such stellar company! DAMN!

Sisters are blogging...regardless what we call ourselves, identify as.  We are varied in hues, ethnicities, blog content and technology awareness.  I dream a day when Sister's (Black Women) blogging voices are accessed as equally as other women...mommie bloggers, naked bloggers, single-life, lesbian, alternative, happily-married. We are all these things and we are not showcased or highlighted.

YES! We ought to hold hands with other women of color bloggers...our Asian Sisters, Jewish Sisters, Middleeastern Sisters, etc.  We Sister's ain't strangers to being pioneers on fronts that had no intentions of including us.  Our backs have been the bridge for so many opportunities...the internet/blogosphere is one more frontier!

I am looking forward to seeing what Sister's and women overall will do next in this blogging frontier!  and I know I can count on you to keep us thinking provocatively about our place in all of this.

Be loving & Be in LOVE

TreniaP 5 pts

First, thanks so much for posting this list, there are so many women mentioned that I've never heard of and while I'm still fairly new to blogging it's always nice to get a little background and perspective.

Regarding the phrase WOC, while I know I fall into that category on a larger scale as a black woman, I never, ever identify myself as anything other than a black woman; black and woman is not something that I can separate nor do I want to. I was really surprised to read what other people had to say about this concept because in my experience phrases like women of color or people of color always seemed to apply to non-white/non-black people. I've never felt a part of that "people/woman of color" community. In my experience it always seemed like a way to mix in the black woman's experience with everyone else's and while I have love and respect for all people I don't think the experience of other women of color is the same as my own. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I understand not wanting to be labeled but at the same time I think it gives people a point of focus around a specific experience. I remember taking a statistics class in graduate school and the phrase "single, poor black woman" kept rolling off everyone's tongue as though this was the root of all social ill in the world. I was so sick and tired of hearing it and I don't think enough has been done to honor the specific experience of black women.

I blog about weight loss, body acceptance and living your passion out loud. I don't necessarily blog about issues specific to being a black woman, but that identity shapes my perspective.

I don't really like the phrase women of color. I wish we would allow people to be individuals and be entitled to their specific life experience without feeling like everyone has to identify and sympathize in order to empathize.

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KBrianne 5 pts

Nordette,

This is a great post! It's very helpful and educational for me to read all the different viewpoints/perspectives. Especially since I am a "blogger of color" that discusses a broader issue of charity/philanthropy. I also agree that WOC shouldn't automatically read: Black women. And, I think that as WOC bloggers from all ethnicities/races continue to stress and reflect that point, we can change that perception.

Karyn

DonnaMJ 5 pts

...one of the things about the Internet is that people had no idea if you were a person of color or not.
I have to disagree with you on this one point. They didn't know AT FIRST, but are likely to find out very quickly depending on what subjects you are talking about. Since I like to find out/talk about current events and politics people knew pretty early on that I am a WOC. In these discussions there is always some ignoramus who will say something racist, either make a joke or just ignorantly repeat stereotypes about "those people" etc. A white person generally will either laugh together/agree or ignore it. A POC generally will not let that kind of thing pass. That doesn't mean that there are no white people who will speak up or no POC who will ignore it and wander off, just that it's the likelyhood. Most people assumed I was black. Kind of goes back to WOC=black woman, doesn't it?

Nordette Adams 6 pts

While what went on before 1990 is good ground to cover for the reasons Professor Kim mentions in her comment, the information in the context of blogging is used more as a creative landscape and background. When we move into blogging as personal expression to reach out to the masses or not, blogging as tool for social change, blogging as leveling the playing field for people who don't have the $$$ to start an MSM network, then we're not talking about the more computer-inclined and academic folks who were on the web early because they were fascinated by computers, had a natural affinity for the technical or had a job that pushed them onto a network. In the early days, mainstream perception of the Web is that it was Geek Land with nerd sidekicks.  

In fact, in the mid 90s and early part of this century, the deeply geeky were sometimes very snobby toward folks coming online and using WYSIWYG, not hard coding, and yet having a greater presence while talking about changing diapers or some social justice issue. Many "geeks" thought of the ordinary people we see online today as intruders.

This topic has so many pieces it could have been not a long post but a series of long posts.

I included quotes from people who talk about opening the door to marginalized voices and social change because that is how many people who do classify themselves as WOCs, as well as some who just think of themselves as different from the mainstream, see blogs and social media.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Do we need to keep setting ourselves aside even in venues that are open to us? Ok, clearly you feel that we do or you wouldn't have written the post (which I thought I complimented, by the way), but I don't want to keep being "other."

I think all the gnashing of teeth in the opening of the post  about what WOC means, hating labels, etc., and the sentiment in the closing:

Finally, I hope that perhaps in the next decade we will all have a clearer understanding of what the term "women of color bloggers" means so each may dance herself happily successful inside the box or out of it.

... should indicate that the WOC label and boxes is not my thing. However, as discussed informally in the first few comments, I do understand why we use labels. This post was not my idea. It was an assignment.  I accepted it not because I am black but because I was curious and I'm glad I took it for writerly reasons and because I'm a people and words watcher.

As for your seeming offended that I didn't interview you, that's not the impression I had. I did however feel that you were so focused on "who is first" as question, as though that's easy information to come by, that you missed what was being said about "firsts."

Nordette Adams ( http://www.bookotopia.com ) is a BlogHer CE ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) & you can find her other stuff through Her 411 ( http://her411.com ).

MoreThanMommy 5 pts

Nordette,

I wasn't trying to be unfriendly so much as honest. You'd think after 20+ years online, I'd be better at conveying tone, but I'm just not. The reason that the question strikes me as funny is because there were no social barriers to WOC online (blogging or otherwise). I'm not talking about possible socio-economic issues, but one of the things about the Internet is that people had no idea if you were a person of color or not. Do we need to keep setting ourselves aside even in venues that are open to us? Ok, clearly you feel that we do or you wouldn't have written the post (which I thought I complimented, by the way), but I don't want to keep being "other." As a black (bi-racial) woman, I never felt that color had any impact in my online experience, especially early on when digital pictures were either rare or non-existent. That is certainly not true in other areas of my life, but the Internet is one place where I never really thought  about being "the only black person in the room."

I wasn't offended that you didn't interview me for your piece (yikes! did it sound that way?) and I wasn't trying to proclaim myself as the first WOC online.  The point I was trying to make is that there were women of color journalling onlne in some form or another long before even the pioneers that you mentioned. The thing is that there weren't a lot of people around to notice them and it wasn't always obvious at the time what ethnic background someone hailed from. Being online has been an integral part of my life for so long that being recognized for it is like being recognized for learning calculus. Not everyone does it, but it's not something you think you need to be noticed for, either.

As for the Wikipedia thing, semantics (not protocols) are important. I wasn't clear from your piece if you were looking for the first WOC online, the first WOC doing online journals or the first WOC bloggers. Since the terms aren't really interchangeable (and because I have those reference points in my own life), I was legitimately confused by your intent.

Although my comment was perhaps badly worded, I was just sharing my point of view, which is apparently significantly different from most of the other people commenting. I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot and I'm actually looking forward to going back over some of your references to check them out.

Christy

cecily 5 pts

Thank you, Ronn. I don't really consider myself a leader or anyone's "blog mother"; I just had opportunity and resources. 

But I thank you for the recognition all the same. :)

Rita Arens 7 pts

I stuff my reader with as many and as varied bloggers as I can of different backgrounds and on different subjects, because while I don't get to read them all every day, I work my way through the whole list at least once a month. More importantly, when I want voices on a specific subject, I search my reader with keywords and the BlogHer network with keywords before moving out into the wild world of Google blog search.

But don't let me convince you I'm capable of reading all these people every day. :) We are all human!

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Mata H 5 pts

I am in awe. Thanks for this post.

mata

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

LOL. I wish I could read all these people regularly.

Nordette Adams ( http://www.bookotopia.com ) is a BlogHer CE ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) & you can find her other stuff through Her 411 ( http://her411.com ).

Kim Pearson 5 pts

If you'll permit me a bit of a tangent:

Part of of my interest in when women and people of color entered the online writing space is that my research involves using interactive journalism as a means of getting middle schoolers - especially those from underrepresented backgrounds - interested in computer science and civic engagement. But having worked at Bell Labs through the 1980s, I'm aware that my own comfort level with html is rooted in the fact that we had to write UNIX code to do ordinary word processing. We also used USENET groups for business, information and entertainment purposes. I first learned of the Challenger explosion in 1986 from a USENET posting, for example. I wonder whether my peers and I might not be typical of some of the early women online writers and web developers in having had this kind of experience? I wonder how many of those women were impelled to acquire more technical knowledge and perhaps move into blogging or web development later on, as I was?  Could be an interesting research avenue that might help us understand how to encourage more women of all backgrounds to acquire the computing skills our economy so desperately needs. 

Kim

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

I appreciate your comment. I know people are looking at the title and assuming that it's a real question, "Who was the first WOC online?" but if your read the piece for what it is with no expectations that it's some kind of dissertation or political statement, you learn that the question in the title is a rhetorical device to show how difficult it is to cover a decade of WOCs in blogging not online. That decade would be from 2000 to now, but I'm sorry I didn't spell out that the decade began in the year 2000 since it's 2010.

Nevertheless, one of the paragraphs in the post says quite clearly that looking for the first WOC online would be akin to looking for the first WOC to ride a horse. But if you think about, it's not odd to ask who was the first. It's a question that's asked and answered for many types of accomplishments when one is looking at people of color or in the case of my ethnic group, black history, really any group, such as women,  that has been marginalized and made to feel that what it does and thinks doesn't matter. "Who was the first?" always gets asked because it gives us a way to see where we've been and how far we've come.

However, if you find asking who is first to be that odd, please scroll up and you will see that in my response to Gina, looking for the first ( http://www.blogher.com/decade-women-color-blogging... ), I imply that looking for the first is also a question that gets us back to an examination of history not to make someone a queen or crown anybody or even look for one person, but it makes a good concept for conversation.  I knew the question was provocative in the real sense of provoking but really, I did not know it was worthy of argument since the post indicates finding the actual first WOC to sign on may not be important if she had nothing to say.

As for Wikipedia, to be honest, I'm not concerned about your point in the second comment. Diary, blog, "finger plans" whatever. If you were keeping track of your life you may have called it a "finger plan," another person would have called it "log." But maybe not a Web log because in 1989 the term "World Wide Web" was not widely used. It's semantics unless folks want to get truly geeky and argue about protocols.

But I will make the case that dates around 1992 to 1994 work for me for considering the evolution of blogs because that's a few years after HTML came into being (1989) and Tim was branded inventor of the Web, and it wasn't until 1992 to 1994 that humans started trying to establish standards for online creations, which meant they started naming more stuff like cave people online because they saw the future was world wide wild.

I use Wikipedia as a source based on what I've already read and heard and work from there.

If your name had been one of the ones passed to me (remember, the names were crowd-sourced), I may have wanted to interview you too as a way of looking back to what the web was like way, way back before most of us even knew it existed, back to the history books I have in my house about the Web that don't even include blogging, back to DarpaNet/ArpaNet where some office clerk from 1966 who happens to be a woman of color would claim she was first because her scientist or military male boss got her to key in his announcement to his group one day because he was too busy and discovered she was smarter than the average clerk, in his opinion, at which point, some educated, professional WOC would pop up and say "She doesn't count. I'm the true Mother Queen of the Internet."

I'm sorry to have been so long in my response, but I haven't had my coffee yet and therefore simply did not perceive you to have opened your comment in a friendly way. Maybe by noon, I'll appreciate whatever it is you're teaching me and should I write more on this topic, will regret if I have been rude and need you as source from the crowd.

UGH. Also my apologies to BlogHer's community manager. I promise to do better at playing nice.

Thank you, Christy.

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DanaFiles 5 pts

This is a wonderful article.  I have only been "online" as a blogger since 2006 and wasn't aware of a majority of these names and blogs.  I'm so happy to be able to click links and read and learn more!  Thank you so much for writing this.

Rita Arens 7 pts

Nordette, the point you made about diversity panels being too white because the white organizer knew only white people is fair. I'm glad you curated this list, and I'm adding these women to my reader now.

Rita Arens writes at Surrender Dorothy ( http://surrenderdorothy.typepad.com ) and BlogHer and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

MoreThanMommy 5 pts

By the way, Wikipedia should never be used as a primary source. That information about "online diaries" is just plain false. An online diary is a diary that is kept online. Those started well before 1994. A blog is defined as being on the web and those couldn't have begun much earlier than '93 or '94 because there was no web. Going to have to leave a comment on that Wikipedia entry!

Christy

MoreThanMommy 5 pts

This is sort of a bizarre concept to me. No one is asking who was the first white person online... But, since it's an interesting (albeit long...) piece, I want to respond.

I was online in 1989 (before the web and blogging) and I wasn't the only WOC out there at the time. I could name a few dozen and that's just my own circle of peers. We weren't the firsts out there, either. We didn't "blog," but we did maintain "finger plans" and other documents where we recorded our daily experiences. I launched my first real website in 1993 and my first "blog" in 2001.

Much like other areas, WOC didn't enter the online space with a bang. Your piece is interesting in the way it looks at influential WOC online, but if you want to find the first one of us, you're going to have to start a whole lot earlier than '94 or '95.

Christy

Vita lingus 5 pts

I think when we start living "post skin color or even post "their NOT like me' we will be truly living a real truth.. When we  trully accept the contribution of all human kind we will have genuinely evolved ..

That is what I loved about "Baracks first book that he was talking and living a real truth, that is based in just being LOVED for who he is !! And lets face it it's boded well for all of US that he was loved and is offering  his love of humanity to the world!f Goddess love that if nothing else!! yet there is so much more he has to offer and will infact!! i think, and  I have thought about this ..His youngest child is a woman of substance who could lead the world in the future!! I have watched that wee girl and she is very magical and a mentor of the future indeed!!

Nordette Adams 6 pts

Thank you, Kim, for that valuable input. I will look up Dr. Pole. And you were one of the first WOC bloggers I noticed. People forget that they web logs didn't begin as blogs that's why I was glad to get Lynne d. Johnson's "diary" link.  However, I didn't think of what I was doing as a "blog" until I started using blogger.com, which is when I think I saw you.

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Kim Pearson 5 pts

This is an impressive compilation, Nordette, and I'm pleased to be in the number. I actually think you, Natalie Davis ( http://gratefuldread.wordpress.com/ ), LaShawn Barber ( http://lashawnbarber.com ), Wampum ( http://wampum.wabanaki.net/ ), Marian Douglas ( http://marian.typepad.com ), Devious Diva ( http://deviousdiva.com ), blacklooks ( http://blacklooks.org ) and maybe Blac(k)ademic ( http://www.blackademic.com/ ) were among the first WOC blogs I came across. That was in the 2003-4 time frame, I think. There is  a lot of scholarship that could be done on why these blogs started, how they function within online communities, connections to offline organizations and activism, etc. Perhaps there is a way of building on the research done by Dr. Antoinette Pole ( http://www.brown.edu/Administration/News_Bureau/20... ) on black political bloggers.

Kim
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veronicaeye 5 pts

I didn't read the entire post, I have a short attention span for long posts. But thought that I had looked for Liza well enough cause she's the one WOC I think of in terms of the "first" or "longest" writing WOC.

And it wasn't a dig at you as much as a dig at people wanting to find the first of anyone.

I thought about your question of WOC. Who is a WOC blogger I think is in the hands of who is defining. Who claims that label is a different issue. Liza & Renee are both WOC bloggers to me, but both are different poles when it comes to being a politically active WOC blogger. I have no idea what Renee does off-line, but her blog isn't culture kitchen.

I think this was part of the conversation of why WOC weren't asked onto the swag train. Marketers were thinking that WOC = radical which we all know is far from the truth.

Again, thanks for trying to gather up our history. I wasn't taking my exclusion as a hit to me. I was more quesitoning why we even need to ask this question.

Thanks.

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msladydeborah 5 pts

I had to sit here and think about how I describe myself on line.  I always list that I am mature WOC.  Which I am now changing to BBB (Black Baby Boomer) which makes me feel very satisfied.  While I am okay with the WOC identity, my blog is what I say that it is.  As you know I have specific interests that show up frequently.  Those interests are often not just solely female related.  I often question if I shifted my focus would that be to my advantage?  I do not honestly think so.  I have some specific viewpoints as a WOC.  That are not necessarily mainstream popular.  Nor are they always in line with the box that seems to be drawn around us.

I think that there is ample room for many different types of blogging styles.  What is most important is the fact that there are WOCs who are in the mix.  When I mention that I publish a blog  or that I am a blogger, people often look at me as if I am speaking an unknown language.  In many cases that is true.  I did not know about the Black on line presence until a couple of years ago.  When I discovered it existed it was my desire to be a part of the experience.  So far it has been positive and a great learning activity for me.

The added fact that I am now 56 and participate in many of the current online trends seems to be the uniqueness factor for me.  I am an honest cyber-socialite of sorts.  For a multitude of reasons. 

This is an interesting post Nordette.  We really need to develop some type of on going documentation for the future. 

WhatAboutOurDaughters 5 pts

I got what you were trying to do. Its kind of like doing the family geaneology. You go back as far as you can and then you learn another nuget that lets you go back a bit further and then on and on. I took it as an interesting case of curiosity, not the trigger of some type of psychological nerosis about identity. I took it with the spirit in which is was intended. I thank you for your curiosity. Now you've peaked my interest. Sounds like a great graduate level research project.

Nordette Adams 6 pts

George Kelly. @allaboutgeorge ( http://twitter.com/allaboutgeorge ) Hope that makes it easier for you. :-)

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Denise 9 pts moderator

Just wanted to echo that. George Kelly is brilliant and I miss seeing him in my feedreader. I need to make sure I'm following him on Twitter.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Hah! I had no idea there was such a day, but somebody just told me about International Women of Color day. It's tomorrow, March 1st. 

http://www.womenofcolorday.com/htdocs/origins.htm

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

I should probably clarify to some, Gina, that I was looking for the first not so much to name them but to interview someone who had been around in the early stages of ordinary people of color going online. I wanted to talk to that person in a podcast, which is why I was so happy to talk to you via podcast ( http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wegotword/2010/02/26/... ).  I guess I'm thinking more like a historian/anthropologist than a Queen Maker. LOL. I'm just curious like Studs Terkel interviewing a steel worker or something or Zora Neale Hurston documenting black folklore and customs through which we get some of our history today.

I'm more like "So, early adopter of color online, tell me what was going on when you first signed on and how's life online changed since then?"

And I'm going to keep looking for these people and WOCs in particular because the Net has in many ways leveled the playing field for getting out everyone's voice, not just the voices that the Gatekeepers choose to feature. So, I haven't given up on the idea of writing more on this topic, but am being practical about the time and level of devotion required, not to mention I like living indoors and eating regular and have bills to pay.

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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Isn't that the truth!

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

People have to want to know or be willing to engage. Not every does. Knowing about the other can be a threat to their place in the world. It might violate everything that they were taught about their state of being, faith or citizenship.

Many people will not take that risk. Easier to shut down and know what you know.

But what if you do want to discover other points of view?

You just mentioned a range of Jewish bloggers. If I wanted to find education blogs from a Jewish perspective how would I find education, homeschooling and edupunk Jewish bloggers?

I'd make the effort and I'd find a few but the technology and the spammers do not make it easy to locate diverse blogging communities. It should be easier than this by now.

It isn't.

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WhatAboutOurDaughters 5 pts

Wow. It never fails. No good deed goes unpunished online. I could have named about 20 other blogs as well and if I had been given any time to research you probably could have gone all the way back to ARPANET.

So sorry that some folks have you throwing up yout hands, but this is the internet. Everyone thinks they are an expert. I have found that the benevolent dictatorship is the the best way to view my blog posts. I will write whatever I want whatever way I want to and you can either read it or not, but I WISH someone would try to tell me I shouldn't have written a post or wrote it incorrectly.

I find it amazing that people are struggling with the term Women of Color.  I also find it amazing that someone appears to be chiding you for being publicly curious. Well you're in good company,Galileo  was curious .. bad example, he was tried and convicted of heresy. No I take that back. I'm not surprised. People will find something to be unhappy or confused about online.

Nordette, depending on what you want to do, decide what you really want to cover and how you want to cover it and define it any way you please. In the end she who bulids the platform makes the rules. She who writes the book picks the subjectmatter.

If people were so concerned about how they are defined or whether tthey are remembered correctly in history then they should have written an autobiography and defined theire place in history FOR THEMSELVES instead of sitting back and throwing rocks at you for not telling the story in the way that they wanted it told.

The fact that people are having personal and individual struggles in no way impacts your desire to answer a question you defined for yourself. I hope this sadly all too predictable response does not actually discourage you.

You did a great thing by being curious enough to go on what looks like an interesting journey. I learned a great deal and based on some of the response, it looks like you will be able to trace the history of women online back even further. I mean if people want to take it all the way back to listservs and newsgroups all the better.

Regarding the sour grapes about "shiny new bloggers" *kanyeshrug* my response is why are you blogging? No one owes me anything online. It'd be nice to have, but I'm not losing sleep over it. What I give, I give freely or not at all. If someone links to me great, if not, I have my own platforms-- they are called blogs. I don't need cosigners.

If people want recognition they should write a book about their work publish it and then it will be in the public record so that the next time someone makes this attempt to recreate a time line it will be there.

And THIS is why I avoid these types of conversations online.

The "dominant" voices don't have to silence "US". We silence ourselves with this incessant handwringing. I once was invited to a Twittercast and they spent an hour on "What is Feminism"?I about ripped out all of my nosehairs. I couldn't believe these people had this kind of time. Quite frankly, the final answer to the question was irrelevant. If you have to sit around wringing your hands trying to come up with an appropriate label or define a label you've already applied to yourself, you probably are incapable of effectuating the changes in the lives of women who need it most anyway.

Isn't the point of the internet that we all have a voice? Who is standing around looking for permission to be heard and when in the history of the world has that permission been granted? Never.

So good luck with the whole asking for permission to have a voice and receive recognition thingy- let me know how that works out.

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

What I love about "survey" and history-oriented posts like this is that for the unacquainted, they demonstrate a world they didn't know was out there.  I know that's how the world of WOC and POC blogging struck me. I was downright clinically depressed for about two months when I realized all that I never read and didn't really even think about - I can't even explain all that, still.

And yet the more you delve into the evolution, the more you can divy it up in regard to more niches, more places where it was evolving, more offshoots and so on.

I say this by thinking about the Jewish world of blogging, which is ridiculously voluminous - breaking down among secular and non, political and non, placed-based and non, male and female, and every point along the ideological spectrum. 

So I think to myself, what is the value - what is it we need, want to grow, that makes the online world of ideas and thought and voices different, maybe better can we hope!? - than the print world or face to face discussion?  Can we still work to make the online world of voices more "democratized" as some think about it?

And when I think about how to answer this, I am left with a reality that is the same online and off: who is reading, who is seeking?  How do we get more to seek and read? Because to me, that is the real shame - the content can proliferate, but if we're only reading each other...

You know what I mean? I know how life-altering discovering that there are SO, MANY, other voices out there (too many to ever even find and expose myself to at times) was for me - but I wasn't even looking, though I was making sure I was moving into spaces I'd never been before.

What about people who don't want to move into spaces they've never been to before? That is my fear and sadness at times.  That we contract rather than expand.

But I guess part of the answer is for us to try and get into every space, yes?

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

I know what you mean, you weren't tossing him under WOC, but I laughed when I read this thinking how George might he feel if I mentioned him under WOC, but BlogParent. Hmm. He probably would love that. LOL.

So many people have stopped blogging. Some for reasons that make perfect sense and others for sad reasons that should evoke grief over the loss of specific kinds of voices.

Thank you for commenting.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Thank you for adding your insight to this topic. I know you cover lots of topics at your blog, and I thank you also for your wit in writing posts on difficult topics that give me a chance to laugh in the midst of reading so I don't cry.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Donna, I probably did read it that way and I'm sorry. It's because I'm getting personal notes like "You left off so and so and thus and so" and so I feel like I have to restate like a lawyer that it's not a comprehensive list but a reflection of the kinds of names and links people sent me, which is why I said "for the record." Plus someone had already referred to the post as a "list."

However, any annoyance was not with you but with the difficulty of the subject in today's identity culture.  It seems when you write anything online the Internet gods swoop down to say, "and who told you you could do that without consulting us first?"  

So, when I answered you, I was just continuing my thought of how problematic it is to name names. I really appreciate your adding people and hope others will do that because that's the only way we'll become aware of some people that we otherwise would not know.

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digitalsista 5 pts

Yes, it takes teams, communities or a village ;)

Although, I get flack some times for trying to address these issues from women, women of color, people of color for not wanting to have labels on them, or have them be devalued as tokens, I do believe we have to keep these records in some way. If we keep talking about it the community or teams will show up.

I am serious about the book stuff, we should talk some time about it. I can guarantee the headaches and some heartaches but it would still be worth it in my opinion. How else will we remember all the contributions. 

That's again for doing the post and considering me for the comprehensive version. Let's work on that grant! ;)

Shireen

Nordette Adams 6 pts

You are another person who, if I were making a comprehensive list, would be on the list. LOL, but as I can see, you realize that this particular post is not in anyway meant to be a comprehensive list to recognize specific contributions or impact. I joke about a book, but really actual contributions with examination of impact would be more like "The Encyclopedia of Women of Color and Their Supporters Online." (A colored side of the Women Internet History Project?  Hah! How politically incorrect is that? One day we will get this right, I hope.)

Which is why I may stick to writing novels. I can't afford to buy all the Tylenol I would need for a "women of color online" project nor the patience to keep answering the people who say "Yer doing it wrong!"  A comprehensive look requires a team, and even it will take flack for missing somebody. If not a team, then a whole lot of "funded" free time. And a whole lot of love for the sisters of all backgrounds who may not like the final product. But I do believe such a work can and should be written, especially from the standpoint of how our voices may change the political landscape. Let's write a grant. *smiles*

And yes, I thought about something else you said too. Some of these women are no longer online and neither is their work that may have influenced others.

I appreciate your taking the time to comment. Thank you so much.

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womanistmusings 5 pts

Thanks for mentioning me in your piece.  I agree that the term WOC blogger is very complex and it is made more so by the continual reduction of the term WOC to mean only Black women.  It erases the work of many brilliant women and leaves us fighting between ourselves for the little representation that we are accorded.  I tend to think of myself as a social justice blogger and it is my hope that WM will become even more intersectional over time.  We all need to be represented because dominant voices are all to quick to silence us at every opportunity.

DonnaMJ 5 pts

I wish you hadn't read this as a criticism of you personally. The way I read it you were given suggestions from bloggers and blog readers, and I was thinking that none of them thought of MBW, BFP, or Maegan. I agreed with you that the first to come to mind when people think of WOC is black women. In fact, I didn't mention two other bloggers who are favorites...BlackAmazon and ProblemChylde, who are of course black women, and they would be at the top of my list of WOC bloggers who influenced me.

digitalsista 5 pts

Nordette,

This is a great post! I can only imagine how hard it is to capture everyone. I know I've tried. I do believe we must try in some fashion and continue to build on it, other wise we will continue to hear "where are all the women of color". 

The women who are missing and I still can't find one, Antonia, who created the first black woman site "sister circle", there is a listserve by managed by Stephanie still around. I don't know where Antonia is today and I am sorry I lost contact with her.  But the other two women Anita Brown, Black Geeks Online & Ana Sisnet are both deceased. Some of these women would still be making a ruckus if they were still here. We don't have digital records of these ladies and I struggle about writing a book about them as I see you are also pondering. 

I struggle with the WOC terminology for every reason you mentioned. I am doing a panel at SXSW on the twitter and blogosphere of Iranian women who consider themselves WOC. It's so hard not to create silos but we have to continue to highlight the contributions of all the great women in your post and those you were not able to mention. 

It also strikes me as a good reason to think about the Women Internet History Project that is trying to track the contributions of women in the internet. 

During the Elections I was asked to give voice to the women on the ground at both the DNC and RNC, which is why I'm in Maria's video. I found plenty of things that we have in common and fewer things that divide us, but we have to keep dialogues like this going to address them. 

Shireen

Nordette Adams 6 pts

Hence the name of my blog, Whose Shoes Are These Anyway? ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com ) The name reflects the quandary of expectations we put on ourselves and expectations others place on us and a recognition that I often re-examine my shoes and path.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

As I said in other responses, what a headache to write this. I feel like I've heard of Abenaki and probably have if she was online early, but Native Americans weren't left out of this post if you consider Last Woman to be Native American. Gee, I hate tokenism too, now that I think of it, along with labels.

Boy, it sucks trying to cover a sea of non-white folk since the the sea of non-white is greater than the great white sea.  

But boy, so many people will pay attention if you try to make a list, won't they? Nobody's happy ever with the list, that's why actors dread listing people in their Oscar acceptance speeches.

For the record, I say in the post that I'm naming a few people, not everybody, not even everybody who's considered important by somebody, not even every name and link that came to me. Who would read a post that long?  Thank God for search engines. People can go off now, and make their own list.

Appreciate your adding these names. I hope more people will drop by and say who influenced them to blog and who they read and why. Why is very important because blogs really should be about content and not who people appear to be in their pictures.

I'm aware of BrownFemiPower, btw. But again, it's not a comprehensive list or look for that matter, which is why a book on this topic might be good, but then again, what a headache!

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

... 2007 was also the year that political bloggers in general rose in clout, which viewers may conclude watching this video with Liza Sabater of Culture Kitchen.

In a 2007 WABC interview ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw2wCi62TiI ) Sabater speaks about the impact of the Internet on the presidential race. She is a woman of color sandwiched between two white males in a power discussion on mainstream television, and that circumstance may punctuate Gina's point about the rise of black bloggers that year.

Veronica, I didn't set up the criteria. I'm asking a question. I didn't create the term "woman of color blogger," obviously. My problem as a writer was how do you write about an entire decade under such a label because surely you will leave out something important and are bound to offend someone, which is exactly why I chose the concept of finding the first, to say that it's impossible to do that just as it's impossible to write about a decade of women of color anything and not annoy somebody. 

And for the record, I made a point to ask whether who was first is necessarily important. 

She may have signed on, poked around a bit, and gotten bored, realizing how much of her time she wasted waiting for a page to load in dial-up. So, she may have signed off, dead to us forever, her digital life gone. And if she had nothing to say other than "Hello, World," was she really that important anyway?

Maybe I'll write a book, "Digital Eve: Tracing the Rise of Women of Color Online" with alternate title "How to Give Yourself a Headache." (I'm claiming that title now. Do not touch!)

The headache created is proven by your response. 

Furthermore, I didn't include myself, for instance (discussed in the podcast), and my work's been online since the 90s as well, but some it is no longer visible. And I'm not sure my work after 2000 qualifies just because I happen to be black and was present, although I do often address issues of politics, race, gender, etc.  I think my first online bit was for the government, btw.

Sorry, I missed you in the post, but as I told Jill, I expected to miss people.

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