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Demaree Family vs. Wal-Mart. Is The Lawsuit Justified?

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The Demaree family is suing Wal-Mart for failing to tell Anthony "A.J" Demaree about their "unsuitable print policy." In a separate complaint, they are also suing Arizona, the Arizona Attorney General and the City of Peoria.

The Demarees are the Arizona family who took 144 photos to be developed at a Wal-Mart but instead of getting their pictures back, their children were taken away from them for a month on suspicion of kiddie porn.

After Walmart turned the photos over to police, the Demarees were not allowed to see their children for two weeks. They did not regain physical custody for a month while the state investigated, according to their lawyer, Richard Treon.[...]

Treon said the images in question were part of a group of 144 photographs taken mostly the family's vacation in San Diego. He said there were seven to eight bath- and playtimephotos of the girls that showed a "portion or outline or genitalia."
                                                                                      AZCentral.com

At the time, their daughters were ages 5, 4, and 1½. The lawsuit against Arizona, Peoria and the state Attorney General's Office claims employees from each entity defamed the Demarees by telling friends, family members and co-workers that they had "sexually abused" their children by taking pornographic pictures of them.

The lawsuit against Wal-Mart charges the company is at fault for not disclosing their "unsuitable print policy" which allows Wal-Mart to turn any photos over to law enforcement.

Once news of the Demaree's case hit the media, the majority of televison news anchors and radio talk show hosts  I listened to were incredulous that Wal-Mart reported the pictures in the first place, and that the authorities then took a month to investigate the case.  Commenters on the blogs I read about the situation had a similar reaction, but while they completely support the family's lawsuit against Arizona officials, there was a more divided reaction to the lawsuit against Wal-Mart.

From a post by The Agitator,

don’t think Wal-Mart should be getting sued. Wal-Mart didn’t arrest them, take their kids from them, or put them through hell trying to put
their family back together. Big Chief

 

I have to agree that there’s little case against Wal-Mart. The store employees who called police are no different than someone who calls the police because they see someone openly carrying a gun, in a state where that’s perfectly legal. KB Craig

 

From a post by FreeRangeKids,

While I think the whole thing is incredibly ridiculous and sad, the failing wasn’t really on the part of the WalMart employee, but rather CPS, the DA, the AG, and whatever other government officials were involved. Photo processors, like teachers, are mandated reporters, and if there’s even a hint that something is child abuse, it’s supposed to be reported. Yes, the WalMart employee should have used better discretion because, DUH–kids in a tub!!, but it wasn’t WalMart who prosecuted here, it was the DA. The WalMart employee was only doing his/her job. Kari

I’m going to disagree with Kari on the WalMart processor merely making a mistake. I agree that authorities should have known better, I think it’s also imperitive mandatory reporters are properly trained. Walmart has an obligation to make sure they are. The mandatory reporting is for children engaged in sexual activity, not just any nude child in a tub. toyfoto

While employees at photo labs are mandated reporters in some states, in Arizona, they are not. From the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network.

Arizona's mandated reporters


At the heart of the issue is Wal-Mart's policy on "unsuitable printing." The Demarees are claiming that Wal-Mart did not adequately publicize this policy. In fact, if you search "unsuitable printing policy" on Walmart.com, you're not going to find anything.


Wal-Mart's Unsuitable print policy


However, you'll find what you are looking for in the Conditions of Use in Terms of Use which lists all the things you agree not to do when you are a customer of Wal-Mart's photo department. The "unsuitable print policy" is number 8.

Wal-Mart's Photo Term of Use

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Elana Centor 5 pts

Last evening, I received an email from someone who forwarded the Peoria, Arizona police report on the Demarees case. I do not know the person who sent the email. But, I appreciate that they did.

After reading the report I suspected that it was a fake because the description of the photos were not benign...they certainly weren't just three kids in a tub kinds of photos.

I contacted Mike Tellif with their media relations department and he assured me it was the real thing. Just to be sure he sent me a version of the report.

Tellif said the department did send the actual police report to local media in Arizona but only one outlet KFYI posted the report on their website ( I couldn't find it there). Tellif was surprised that more media had not picked up the report.

You can read it in its entirety on my blog ( http://funnybusiness.typepad.com/funnybusiness/200... ). You'll find the link to the PDF at the end of the post.

I did read the entire report and as I said in my blog post, it's a good reminder that before we accuse police of "acting stupidly" we should hear their side of the story.

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LMAshton 5 pts

I don't know about "in their right mind", but I do know, from working at a camera shop with one-hour photo two decades ago, that plenty of people brought their kiddie porn in for processing. And plenty of people were hauled away in cuffs because of it.

I'm talking about real kiddie porn, not bathtub pictures. Some people are dumb or think that no one cares.

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Grandmato2 5 pts

The Demaree case is one of many cases where justice has gone out the window just so someone can "report" someone.

The WalMart employee should be fired for overstepping his bounds.  I hope every parent in the USA refuses to take their family photos to WarMart.  A part-time minimum-wage employee is not qualified to jsut what is appropriate and not.  Then to compound the problem, they turn it over to the police who just LOVE to show off their power.  Not to mention that the police have NO TRAINING WHATSOEVER in interviewing sexually abused children.  They violate every guidline out there on the subject.

In the meantime, a family is damaged - temporarry or permanent, ti does not matter.  The police or the WalMart employee will not be there to help this family reconsstruct themselves. 

If anyone has any doubts about this, I strongly recommend watching a documentary called Witch Hunt about the child sexual abuse trials in Bakersfield, CA.  Many, many lives were ruined because of the gung-ho attitude of law enforcement and the DA.  To this day, the children coerced to testify will not touch their own children for fear of being accused of something.  So this trqvesty is into the second generation.

Sexual abuse of children DOES occur.  Child porn DOES occur.  But I can guarantee you that child pornographers don't have their photos developed at WalMart.

only2degrees 5 pts

Being a victim of Arizona's CPS tactics more than 15 years ago, I see that nothing has changed. I, too, sued the state and CPS, but had to drop the case due to financial reasons - however, the District Manager did apologize to me - too little too late - after stealing my kids away and then illegally handing them over to my ex-husband!

In this case, the Walmart worker is an idiot, but shouldn't be sued. It's the state of Arizona and it's control freak workers in CPS that need to be held accountable for being so incredibly ridiculous! They harm kids for their own disgusting purposes. And as wicked as they are, I wouldn't type this if my kids weren't adults. Those CPS workers are vicious.

To the Demaree Family - your kids will forget the experience. It will take some time, but speaking from experience, as you love them, keep them safe, and move forward, it will become a faint memory. God bless you and stay strong! Go get 'em!! 

BrianasMommy 5 pts

Walmart ... Walmart ... Walmart. What a joke!! I feel so unbelievably terrible for the poor Demaree family. With children being merely one of the ONLY true joys of life, in which have not "YET" been tainted, jaded or corrupted by the world we live in. *Jeesh* Let kids be kids and proud parents be proud parents!! Now, the Demaree family is forced to have the "perverted people in America pep talk" with children who are not age appropriate to be hearing it. Good Gosh!! Saddens me to hear how this average family has been portrayed.

Reference to the employee, who was going for "HERO OF THE DAY", with the goal of their frizzy haired picture in the $2.00 metal frame in the breakroom that reads "Employee of the Month" .... you have far from accompished that. Frankly, all you have accomplished was to tramatize an innocent family, who had "Wholesome/All American Family" intentions of creating memories of their family to reflect on as the years pass. Not to mention, as far as I have ever been concerned, it appears that someone who would look at a baby in a bathtub and think anything disturbing .... would be the one I would consider "off kilter".

Nonetheless, I am disgusted to hear how quickly the situation escalated to the police being called and parents interrogated. The world coming to the point, when you can't capture and appreciate the precious moments of your children .... without having to analyze every angle of how the rest of the world will view you for it. Moments so precious and to be over in the "blink of an eye". That's what's disgusting to me, not a baby in a tub.

raisedqueer 5 pts

My first instinct is that this is harmless. For one, who in their right mind is going to produce kiddie porn and have the local Walmart print it? I'm certain they weren't pornagraphic in nature. Also, I'd be curious to know if the tech is a parent. Seriously, are there any parents that don't have bathtub pics?

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Elana Centor 5 pts

From what I've read, it's just the folks in the state agencies that evidently are being sued for talking about the parents. I do believe that an employee reporting suspected kiddie porn is different than an individual for the very reason of the lawsuit. An employee is a representative of the corporation they work for. The employee reported the parents because of his/her understanding of policies and/or procedures that Wal-Mart has instituted for employees. Corporations have these very specific procedures to avoid lawsuits.  While I have no issue with an individual reporting suspected child abuse, I believe employees of corporations are a different situation and for the benefit of all, there should be trained experts who evaluate the pictures before turning them over to authorities. If Wal-Mart had trained experts hopefully they would have evaluated the pictures the same way the judge did. One commenter who used to work at Wal-Mart did say they are not allowed to print any nudity. I don't live near a Wal-Mart and not sure what  kind of disclaimers they have about their printing policy but it would probably be a good idea to let people know that no nudity means no nudity including the very common baby in bathub shot.

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BrownImani 5 pts

I can't believe the "authorities" actually took someones children away for this !! Did the Walmart employee check with a supervisor first? I think the abuse comes in when you take children from their parents for 2 weeks without being allowed to see them and then keep them separated for another 2 weeks after that. That is abuse. How will that affect these children and this family ? Many times children are abused in the foster homes they are placed in for God's sake !! I would sue Walmart and the State. Outrageous. And sad.

Condo Blues 5 pts

My biggest concern here, besides it taking a MONTH to investigate these photos is that the Wal Mart employees and investigators are charged with speaking out against the parents during the investigation, making the parents gulity in the court of public opinion even after the offical investigation found the parents innocent. Where does the family go to get their reputation back?

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babybeatnik 5 pts

This is just ridiculous. My first thought is that either there must have been something more than just some young kids bathing in those pictures, or that photo tech had something wrong with him/her for seeing something more. I'm assuming by the tone of the articles I've read about this that there was nothing more than just some young kids bathing, and my further comments are based on that assumption.

I think it's just crazy what people consider to be lude these days. My 4 year old daughter was running around the house wearing nothing but a homemade tutu a couple of weeks ago. It was almost bedtime and I had asked her to meet me in her bedroom to get ready. I had to finish rinsing the dishes before I met her, which took all of 5 minutes. In that time, she had already fallen asleep - laying on her stomach. I thought it was adorable, so I took a couple pictures. There was nothing in the shots that would be considered nudity (at least not by me!) - her bare back was about as nude as it got. I posted the pic on a small message board that I chat on (there are 10 regulars and rarely any new people) and someone told me to take it down because it was kiddie porn!!! So apparently it's not just that photo tech that finds something from nothing these days.

Anyway, I'm getting off track. I have to disagree with coconutlime on the assumption that it takes more than just a photograph to get children removed from a home. In some cases that may be true, but in a lot of cases it can be something very small to get children removed. And even if the parents are innocent, in a lot of cases they still have to jump through an intense amount of flaming hoops to get their kids back. This kind of thing is really disappointing when compared to the fact that parents like those of poor Eli Johnson ( http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/... ) are given chance after chance and continue to beat their children anyway. I am absolutely floored by this.

Lc777 5 pts

Oh my god!!!  I had pix of my toddler son playing in the tub...my daughter has pix of her kids in the tub!  How paranoid is society becoming? I agree with the suit against Wall Mart. It is time for people to stop being so STUPID in the name of 'caring' for kids. What moron does not understand the prevalence and likelihood for such pictures to exist and be a natural function of enjoying ones kids growing up??? 

I guess it is just a very good thing we printed out our own pix on the computer...instead of taking them to the geniuses at this Wal*Mart.  HEAPS of shame on the state of AZ(though this could happen anywhere!)for taking these kids out of their home with NO proof of ANYTHING except a bunch of happy wet kids!!!  And the fact that they took so long to 'investigate' it just proves once again how unfeeling; unconnected and uneducated some of our so-called public servants are.  I hope many people pay BIG TIME for this.  You CANNOT just take kids from their parents(try this stunt at my house!!!!)and hide behind some excuse...there is NO EXCUSE that served prupose for such action here. This is dispicable and disgusting and I hope that some steep prices are paid for this action taken against the Demarees and their traumatized children! This is the 'NICE' version of how I feel about this incident!

coconutlime 5 pts

I worked as an one-hour photo processor at a drugstore during college. We were told that when it came to nude pictures of children, that we were to be on alert for pictures where there was an adult in the frame or if the child was touching themselves (in a sexual way) or the the children were older. In other words, a newborn alone in the tub was okay, but a gang of older nude kids or nude children with adults might be trouble.

I don't think it is the fault of the clerk or Walmart that they reported it to the police. When it comes to child abuse it is better safe than sorry. Clerks and their managers are not in the position of judging what constitutes abuse and knowing that, they turned the pictures over to people who were. It is a shame the children were taken from the family, but either there was an extremely over zealous social worker or the state truly felt those children might be in danger. I've worked as a teacher and have seen many abuse cases, it is more difficult to remove a child from a home than one might think. A single innocent bath tub shot (unless, again, the social worker was extremely unprofessional or inexperienced and didn't follow protocol) is not enough to remove a child from a home.The removal of children from a home for an extended period of time is a process that requires the looking at the facts, home visits, interviews etc by a variety of professionals and is not done lightly. It is a shame that innocent people who like to take nude pictures of children might run into some trouble, but I don't think we can be too careful when it comes to abuse. This seems like an extreme case and ultimately the family was cleared of wrong doing. It is unfortunate but to use it as an excuse to sue a company and win money sounds greedy. Would they have sued a neighbor or a teacher who made a complaint to the police? Why drag a minimum wage employee who thought they were doing the right thing and helping children into a lawsuit? If anything, their issue is with Child Protective Services and the police. They are the ones who made the judgment call and started the investigation.

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coconutlime 5 pts

I think it is common sense to assume that a photo employee can turn over pictures of suspected abuse to the police just as any neighbor or teacher or person on the street can report abuse after seeing possible signs of it. Why would a photo shop employee be held to a different standard?

Also, since they didn't think their pictures were abusive, I can't imagine that if they were told of the pornography clause or of the possibility of police involvement it would have stopped them from getting their pictures developed there.

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goddess_of_cooking 5 pts

Walmart is not to blame for this at all. Speaking as an ex-photo center manager, the associates are not to print any picture that contains nuidty. We are also required to report suspected abuse. However, associates are not given training to spot abuse like the CPS is. So basically it's like a next door neighbor calling the cops because he hears screaming and "thinks" the husband is beating the wife. 

Futhermore, searching on Walmarts website is used for items, not for policies.

One last thing. It's cute to take naked bath time pictures when the kids are are just babies. I put the limit at 2 y/o. I would question taking pictures of your naked 5 year old in the bath tub.  Just my opinion.