Digging the Dirt: Gardeners, welcome to Web 2.0
by debra roby

Just returning from She's Geeky, I was so happy to see Learning how to use your new gardening tool: The Web at Gardening Tips and Ideas. Stuart presents well-thought out posts that usually teach me something new. This article, though, made me feel like I was living in past.

His tips for using the web as a gardening tool?

  • 1. Use Search Engines
  • 2. Wikis. Wikipedia and wikiHow
  • 3. Yahoo Answers
  • 4. Forums
  • 5. Alerts
  • 6. RSS
  • 7. Newsletters. (really? newsletters?) Atleast he admits they are begin replaced by feeds.
  • 8. Ebooks (again, really?)  He does say they are almost outdated.
  • 9. Social bookmarking

Now aren't many of these suggestions things that have been available for several years (so decades in web-time)?  Yet Stuart is writing about them almost as if they were new?  Is the gardening community that slow to adopt?

Here's where my problems start. Stuart says (emphasis by editor):

The most interesting area yet to become useful for gardeners is the area of social bookmarking sites. This is where gardeners will be able to collaboratively build content, interact and add value to gardeners needing help (which is most of us).

Three years ago while reading the write ups of the first BlogHerCon, I wrote to Alexandra Samuel asking questions about tagging, social bookmarks, and wikis because I didn't understand them.  All the sites that discuss them seem to assume some basic level of knowledge I was missing.  She suggested that we set it up as a blogversation... writing and responding between the two blogs and getting whole communities involved. It was the right answer. Unfortunately, I was so ignorant at the time that I didn't know HOW to do what she suggested; the conversation died on the vine. Since then, I've been searching out not only the WHAT AND WHY but also the HOW; the HOW seems to be the difficult part. Harder than the WHY. So it's not that I'm not sympathetic to gardener's dilemna.

Then in May, 2006, Elise Bauer wrote one of those life-changing posts at BlogHer: A del.icio.us Cookbook. She explained in simple terms why she uses del.icio.us, what the advantages were, and how to do it! I spent time that weekend setting up my account and have been acquiring bookmarks there ever since. While I need to spend a day re-organizing a lot of new links, if you wanted to find my few bookmarks on gardening, they are there.  (note to self: I find lots of great gardening info, why aren't I bookmarking it?)

Lately I've been trying to remember to also save great content to Sk*rt. I like their self-description:

sk*rt is a social media ranking platform of pure goodness. A portal to find cool things, smart scoop, clever ideas, excellent products, exceptional information. All of it. And more. In other words, sk*rt is like that friend who always finds the best stuff. Only better.

Sk*rt can be searched by topic, and they do have gardening articles listed there. 

And here is where I explain my take on Web 2.0: it's all about being able to share what you find and what you know with other people.  People you don't know; people you might never interact with.  Not just those folks who visit the same places you do, not just the people on your forum or your mailing list.  You might share a blog post on starting herbs indoor; that post can be found and used by a 5th grade teacher who has a unit in plant biology. 

You put your stuff out there, you share it with the world, and it lives a life of its own.

I have yet to mention tags.  Either the freetagging we can use here on BlogHer, or the technorati tags that let people search for meaningful content by the tags on your blog posts.  I STILL have problems with tags. Specifically I have trouble with: adding technorati tags to posts. 

First, I'm sure there should be "rules" for tags that make them more useful: single or plural? Capitalize?  Mash words together (GardeningInWeb2.0) or separate (Gardening in Web 2.0)? Caps or No?  Many say do what you wish; but then it's hard find tagged content because it might be different by the simple addition or deletion of an "s."  So I worry about "the nonexistant rules" and don't end up doing anything.

Second: it's not an automatic feature (my blogs are on blogger).  I used to have a greasemonkey app that made it easy to add technorati tags; either an update in Firefox or my (@%#$^) Vista OS means it isn't working now.  I have a "button" on my toolbar I can use to generate one tag.  But it doesn't easily let me create multiple tags.  And I have remember to use it, it's not an automatic step in the composition screen.

Does anyone have suggestions either about the rules or about a plug in that would make this part of the process easier?  And for those gardeners or hobbyists who still don't get the "why" of tags, how would argue for their use? What rules would you suggest they follow?

RELATED READINGS:
Murdoch University Library is offering a class on Learning 2.0 that looks like a great instructional guide. 

Debra Roby blogs her art at A Stitch in Time and her life at Deb's Daily Distractions .

Comments

 

Great article, Debra

I've not used sites like Digg and del.icio.us because they seemed like a club for boys patting other boys on the back. Maybe I'm wrong, you make me question my position. I'd never heard of sk*rt, so I'll check it out.

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Sk*rt

Virginia,

Sk*rt is Digg for grrls. Sometime helpful, sometime it still seems a bit "young?" Still, a site like this is only as good as the contributors; if I spent more time "sk*rting" I'd be participating in changing the dynamic.

Debra
A Stitch In Time
Deb's Daily Distractions

 

Gardeners and Web 2.0

We discussed this in the comments of Part 7 of my Garden Blog Pioneer retrospective last year. I'm still not sure why it's true, but I see evidence everywhere that gardeners are not early adopters of technology. I believe, as a whole, gardeners are older than the general population, and, as a whole, our elders are not as inclined to adopt new technology. How much of this is resistance to new things, how much is inability to afford the technology on a fixed income, and how much is just a lack of perceived value, I don't know.

It could be that most gardeners are connected enough with their local community that they just don't see the need to connect with others online. I know a sense of isolation contributed to my starting my first blog when I did. But I had a brother--and sons--who taught me what I needed to know to get started.

For myself, social bookmarking is something I mess around with in the winter. During the growing season I go nuts trying to blog and garden, keep up on my email and the blogs in my feed reader, in addition to my responsibilities as a homeschooling parent. WordPress now incorporates tagging in its software. Last winter, before it was a standard feature, I started using the Ultimate Tag Warrior plugin as a way of establishing more connections between my own blog posts, so I didn't worry about those unspoken rules. I do feel the same kind of tension, that more global consistency would make them more useful. I feel like I am still getting a handle on tags myself.

Kathy
ColdClimateGardening.com
Member, Garden Writers Association

 

Older gardeners

I'm going to have to second this. Going to nurseries, I've amazed "my elders" with my knowledge that I got online. When I mention, "Oh you should check out blahblah.com!" I'm usually greeted with blank stares. They say that they just use their computers for email. Just a few weeks ago, I had a cluster of people around me, they were astounded that I do seed swaps online. I created a little postcard that has photos of flowers from my garden on the front (with a link to my flickr page) and the back has links to gardening blogs and resources. I give them out to people at the nursery and my fave nearby nursery now has a stack of them there. The other day, I called to see if my tree was in and the guy told me that they have been receiving requests for me to lead a class on technology and gardening!

But I can also see the time thing. When we bought our house, it was a mess and I was spending 14 hours a day out there. Who wanted to blog after that? Now that it's fall and I'm trying to avoid serious pruning, I can now cull my photos and spend time on gardening sites and blogs getting excited about what I'll be planting in a few months.

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What links are on the card?

Fabooj, I'd be interested in knowing what links you chose to put on the back of that postcard. Care to share your choices with us?

Kathy
ColdClimateGardening.com
Member, Garden Writers Association

 

Duh! I should have done that

Before I get to that, one of the biggest issues I have with gardening sites is that most of them you have to pay to get information or you're stuck with very little to go on. So, I tried to minimize that. They're pretty general links and I left off the blogs I frequent, so most of them don't live in SoCal like I do. That being said, here they are:

National Gardening Club
Dave's Garden - I introduced the guys at the nursery to this site and they love it! Now, they have their computer on most of the day with this site up and ready to search.
Bamboo Headquarters - they have a great informative section on choosing the right bamboo and taking care of it.
Stokes Tropicals Plant Care section
Las Pilitas nursery that grows native plants and, LOL, works well with others. My nursery can get plants from them most of the time.
California Native Plant Society
(Notice my bias here? I also spend a lot of time trying to get people to get rid of their lawns especially if they don't have young children or animals.)
Annie's Annuals - another great site, my nursery carries a lot of AA stuff, but sometimes I need more!
USDA plant database
GreenTech systems - they do roof gardens, and another "crusade" I'm on is to get people to green their roofs as it minimized this concrete island effect and it's a nice insulation for your backyard buildings.
Kaboku Gardens - where I live many people like the Japanse Garden look, but to get a good selection of Japanese plants, you have to drive to the Westside AND find parking and that's a headache unto itself. Not only that but because of the general zone that is SoCal, selection is pretty bad. However, where we live is a nice microzone for them.
Be Water Wise - this is from the Metropolitan Water District of SoCal and other water agencies. They don't practice what they preach, but I've got a nice lush backyard and I barely water.

That last one brings me to the images on my cards. I post pics of the flowers and plants that I have and 98% of them are drought tolerant and/or CA natives.

"I am so perfect so divine so ethereal so surreal. I cannot be comprehended except by my permission. I mean...I...can fly like a bird in the sky." Ego Trippin' by Nikki Giovanni
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Time, age, resistance

Kathy,

Thank you. I've wondered if the age of the users was part of it. Or if these are people so busy in doing that they limit their time online. LIke you're doing most of online work during the winter.

Would this mean that the discussion should be timed to this time of year, so that people are be exposed when they have the time? Or do we just need more advocates explaining WHY something is better than the way people are currently doing it? (I'm still floored by Susan Harris's admission that she doesn't understand or use rss feeds!)

Personally, I fall into that "elder" catagory, but I've been blogging for 3 years and learning the entire time. I know this put me in a very small segment of the population.. but I'd sure like it to grow.

Debra
A Stitch In Time
Deb's Daily Distractions

 

Elder is a matter of perspective

Debra, I checked out both your blogs, and if your bio is up-to-date, you are only my elder by 6 years. I was thinking of people old enough to be my parents when using the term elder, but of course my children think I'm an old lady.

I would like to see this segment of the population increase their use of the internet as well. Using my own mother as an example, I can see several obstacles. One is physical problems related to age and the culture she grew up in. She can't see the screen as well as I can, and what she does see, it takes longer for her to process because the "landmarks" of computer programs and websites are not familiar to her. Her hearing is not what it once was, so when I give her verbal instructions, it takes her longer to process them. Also the terminology is unfamiliar to her, so she has to "translate" what I tell her--even thought I try to avoid jargon as much as possible. And while she learned how to touch-type at some point in her life, it's never been a priority for her; she doesn't type very fast and may still have to think about where some of the keys are.

All of these things combined can make learning computer stuff seem like too much work, especially if the end result doesn't speak to her priorities. It's worth learning how to send and receive email, because that's how you get news of your family these days. It's worth learning how to use a cellphone for the security of being able to call from just about anywhere if you need help. But is a woman who was astonished to learn that you can organize your bookmarks into folders ready for del.icio.us?

The bottom line is, no one adopts technology until they see it solving a problem or meeting a need--and that's assuming they have the physical capabilities to utilize it and that they can afford it. For some, that's a tall order indeed.

Kathy
YourBlogHelper.com
ColdClimateGardening.com
Member, Garden Writers Association