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Disagreeing on Green Values: Why My Husband Thinks I'm Ned Flanders

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A few weeks ago, my husband Michael forwarded me the NY Times article, "Therapists Report Increase in Green Disputes"

As awareness of environmental concerns has grown, therapists say they are seeing a rise in bickering between couples and family members over the extent to which they should change their lives to save the planet.

In households across the country, green lines are being drawn between those who insist on wild salmon and those who buy farmed, those who calculate their carbon footprint and those who remain indifferent to greenhouse gases.

Wondering if Michael was trying to tell me something by forwarding that article, I cornered him one Sunday afternoon while he was minding his own business and quizzed him on his feelings about my plastic-free ways and whether or not he felt I judged him. Here are just a few snippets of our half-hour conversation.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhmzgpYCV9w

[This video uses YouTube's new Closed Captioning feature.]

Michael’s an awesome guy. And it turns out, we really don’t have many disputes in the green arena, just different areas of concern and opinions on how to tackle green issues. But I wondered about other couples. So I questioned a few green blogger friends and even a few of their partners. But first, I wanted to follow up with one of the interviewees in the actual Times article because, as it turns out, she lives not far from me in Marin County.

Chrise de Tournay is the founder of the EcoMom Alliance and was more than happy to add to her comments published in the NY Times. She said that while her husband is out in the world working to make big changes to address pollution from the maritime industry, he feels that the small changes she is making in their home, like insisting that containers be recycled properly or setting up a gray water system, are unimportant on a large scale and that he really doesn’t want to bother.

But for Chrise, these changes do make a difference. As a full-time mom, there are a few things she can do on a public level: support environmental legislation, write letters to the editor, vote with her purse. But it’s in the home where she has the most influence, and she’d like her husband to back her up on green measures that affect their family. Chrise says,

If I weren’t running a home, I might be out doing huge environmental policy work, but we have to start where we are. These small changes add up. I’m a mom. And I want my home to be a teaching home for our children….

What he sees as little, I see as doable. I like to feel I have some power.

She also wonders if asking her family to recycle or to turn off lights and faucets is any different from asking them to pick up their shoes and socks. In a home, there will be power struggles whenever one partner asks the other partner to change.

From my experience, making green changes myself doesn’t lead to arguments. It’s when I ask someone else to change that power struggles ensue. This seems to be the case in other homes as well. When I put out the question on Facebook, I got a terrific reply from my Facebook friend Jesse, who told me that to get her partner to adopt new practices, she tries to make them fun, and he “gets swept away” by her enthusiasm. Jesse decided to interview her partner and emailed me his responses.

He says she makes it easy to want to make green changes because she “wasn’t a downer.”

She wasn't like: "Oh I used 4 kilowatts of energy today! I'm such a bad person! It's the 11th hour!” She made it fun, like "Guess what! I found a used table at the thrift store, so we don't have to buy a new one! And I want to try tilapia, I hear it is better for the environment." It's nice. When she says it like that I am happy to try tilapia.

He also says that Jesse’s learning about environmental issues has been gradual, and he’s been involved in the process all the way. And he goes on to say:

I do the green living stuff because it is important to her, because I want to make her happy. But even when I am away from her I try to be more green because it is

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Sierra Black 5 pts

Beth, thanks again for including ChildWild in this piece.

This whole topic has been on my mind so much lately: how do we make small, important changes in our lives? My husband and I are pretty much on the same page about it, but that doesn't mean it isn't hard work.

I posted something about it yesterday, thinking about what the basic steps are to making any big change in how you live: http://childwild.com/2010/02/08/how-to-change-your...

Beth Terry 6 pts

Shelly, I hear you!  In fact, once I wrote a note asking Michael to remember to wring out the sponge when he's done and not leave it wet in the sink because of, you know, MOLD.  And he wrote at the bottom of my note: If I remember.

What is it about men and their memories?  He can remember a million names and dates and facts about history, but he can't remember to wring out a freakin' sponge.

Love him!

Beth Terry: attempting to live plastic-free and blogging the heck out of it at FakePlasticFish.com ( http://www.fakeplasticfish.com ). Follow her on Twitter ( http://twitter.com/fakeplasticfish ).

Shelly Kneupper Tucker 5 pts

I don't think that women are "greener" than men (see Ed Begley, Jr. for an example of a radically green man!).  In our house, we both are concerned about the environment, but I have a better memory than my husband :-).  He forgets to turn off lights and appliances, and he doesn't always think about re-cycling.  But, he's learning. That's the best I can ask.

No, you cannot control what anyone else does; and yes, you have to teach by example.  But arguing about it?  It's not gonna happen at my house.  I figure that if I make small changes, it is better than nothing.  Every little bit helps.

Shelly Kneupper Tucker

writes at This Eclectic Life ( http://thiseclecticlife.com/ )

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Beth Terry 6 pts

Where I live here in Oakland, we have city-wide composting.  If we don't feel like making our own compost, we can just empty our food scraps into the same green bin into which we put our yard waste.  It's picked up by our trash hauler and goes to a commercial compost facility where it is turned into soil amendments for farms and residential use.

http://www.stopwaste.org/home/index.asp?page=528

Maybe you could push for such a program in your area.

Beth Terry: attempting to live plastic-free and blogging the heck out of it at FakePlasticFish.com ( http://www.fakeplasticfish.com ). Follow her on Twitter ( http://twitter.com/fakeplasticfish ).

Candelaria Silva 5 pts

about composting.  I will make sure I add shredded newspapers and papers and grass and other clippings.  I just feel so guilty to throw away food scraps when they could go to good use.  I wish there was a collection system for food scraps one could join.  I'd do it in a heart beat.

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Good and plenty!

Beth Terry 6 pts

I guess it depends on how many people are in your family eating produce.  There are just two of us in our home with a postage stamp yard, and we end up taking a whole year to produce usable compost.  I don't think you have to worry about producing too much.  Sounds like you don't have much of a yard either, so there would be much going into it.

One thing to be careful of:  You want to maintain a healthy balance of carbon (like dry grass and leaves or shredded newspaper or even shredded office paper) and nitrogen (produce scraps, green grass clippings).  Too much carbon, and your compost will not break down.  Too much nitrogen, and you will end up with a stinky wet mess that is offgasing methane, a very powerful greenhouse gas, actually.

For us, it just took a little trial and error to get the proportions right.

Beth Terry: attempting to live plastic-free and blogging the heck out of it at FakePlasticFish.com ( http://www.fakeplasticfish.com ). Follow her on Twitter ( http://twitter.com/fakeplasticfish ).

mashadutoit 5 pts

You dont really have to worry about using the compost  - its not as though your bin will fill up in a hurry.  Our compost bin is is about 3 feet high, and it never gets more than about half full though we put stuff in every day.  Things break down fairly quickly. Its possible that our warmer climate might help though.  Only thing which might be a problem is that if you have too many peelings and not enough leaves and cuttings, you can get a bit of a fruit fly infestation, like we have right now.

We do have a small garden, but I've not used the compost for that yet.

Candelaria Silva 5 pts

I am much more conscientious about the environmental issues and generally manage our home so a lot of principles I believe in I put into practice.  I haven't used dryer sheets in years.  We only use cloth napkins.  We have and use recycle bins.  I bought a nice basket for my husband's office so he could put paper and recyclables there.  Despite this, I still find paper and plastic in his trash bin.  I mention it only every few months and just take the minute or so to put the stuff in the proper places.  Some changes I do undercover.  I am only buying juice that comes in cartons or glass bottles.  I got a Brita picture and got rid of plastic bottles of water.  (We only have a few half-gallons in the basement in case something happens.)

Our next big change will be a doozy - rain barrels and composting.  We have a small grassy border in  our back yard, no a real yard, so I'm counting on neighbors who say they'll use the compost to actually do it.  Anyhow, I think whoever in the household is more conscious and passionate about these issues, has to lead the charge on these things.  Come to think of it, I've never seen my husband use cloth bags for his purchases while I have a 97% rate...hmmm...I'll guess I'll be bringing that up soon.

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Good and plenty!

Beth Terry 6 pts

@ ( http://twitter.com/ )mashadutoit ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) Thanks for adding another perspective.  I do realize there are always exceptions to every stereotype.  The funny thing in our home, which got cut out of the video, was that Michael is often the domestic one who ends up having to implement many of the green changes I come up with.  Like, I thought it would be a great idea to cut waste by making our own cat food.  And now he's the one who usually does it.  And I bought a wooden drying rack to reduce dryer uses, and he's the one who usually does the laundry and has to deal with hanging clothes. 

@ ( http://twitter.com/ )Ellen Besso ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) You have a good point.  Women's work in the home is often devalued compared to men's big important work out in the world.  Michael and I don't have children (just kitties) so not as many of those kinds of issues come up.

Beth Terry: attempting to live plastic-free and blogging the heck out of it at FakePlasticFish.com ( http://www.fakeplasticfish.com ). Follow her on Twitter ( http://twitter.com/fakeplasticfish ).

Ellen Besso 5 pts

Thanks for a great article Beth. I believe anything we do, small or large, to make the planet self sustaining is important - it all adds up.

I bet there are differences in 'green levels' in many families, & yes, recycling is a bit like picking up your dirty socks!

I do have to say that in my opinion, (& some wouldn't agree I'm sure), Chrise de Tournay's partner's attitude to her household recycling is just another form of sexism. He's disparaging her 'woman's work' in the home.

Ellen Besso, M.A., R.C.C.

MidLife Coach & Author  

www.ellenbesso.com/midlifemaze

Ellen Besso 5 pts

Thanks for a great article Beth. I believe anything we do, small or large, to make the planet self sustaining is important - it all adds up.

I bet there are differences in 'green levels' in many families, & yes, recycling is a bit like picking up your dirty socks!

I do have to say that in my opinion, (& some wouldn't agree I'm sure), Chrise de Tournay's partner's attitude to her household recycling is just another form of sexism. He's disparaging her 'woman's work' in the home.

Ellen Besso, M.A., R.C.C.

MidLife Coach & Author  

www.ellenbesso.com/midlifemaze

mashadutoit 5 pts

Well I guess I am an example that women are not neccesarily greener than their husbands.

I mean - I'm all for it, but I'm not as good at the domestic stuff as my husband is.  I think that is probably a clue as to why many of the examples here are about greener women...

I'm lazy and not all that organised. And not particularly neat.  I will buy the right things, (or not buy the wrong things), but I'm not good at remembering what types of plastic our recycling place can take.  I only recently had a moment of clarity about why my husband would prefer us not to use rubbish bags. 

Watching the guys down at the waterfront spending hours sneaking up on sleeping seals to try and cut plastic bags off their necks did that.  They have to swim up to the sleeping seals, pretty risky... and they do it every day, as the seals get tangled up again every day.  The bags cut right into their necks, even the baby seals.

In some things he has managed to train me pretty well.  I cannot throw anything in the bin that belongs in the compost heap, and I cannot stand seeing our neighbours wasting liters of water hosing down their paving or washing their cars.

And I feel pretty good about using a moon cup.  At least I beat him there!