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Does Later Equal Greater in Romance & Marriage?

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“What is a good relationship? That’s what I want to know.”  This question encapsulated the point of the spirited discussion in the third session of parenting classes I was leading at a correctional facility in Boston.  Everyone got thoughtful and quiet after that question.

Finally, one of the less talkative women broke the silence.  “Yeah, what is a good relationship? I’ve never seen one.”

We moved into a brainstorm about characteristics of a good relationship.  This was a technique we’d used in previous sessions.  It allowed participants to share their own ideas/knowledge about a topic rather than being passive listeners.  The discussion got spirited again.  Everyone had ideas about what a good relationship should be, even if they’d never seen one up-close.   And, of course, the discussion quickly turned from parenting to romantic relationships just as the session was about to end.  The women, ranging in age from 25 to 50, instructed me to come back with some information about love, romance and marriage.

“Remember, no staples, no clips,” one of them said on her way out, referring to the fact that none of the articles could have staples or paperclips, things that could be turned into weapons.

Like these women, I spent a good part of my adult life not knowing what a good adult relationship was.  I knew what being a good parent meant.  I knew how to be a good student.  I figured out how to get my work relationships right, but love, a positive, working, committed relationship with a man?  That was difficult.

Growing up, the marriages and romantic relationships between adults, including my parents, were invisible to me.  I saw couples mostly in their parenting, household and church roles.  I don’t remember seeing romance or much affection at all.  In fact, many of the adults seemed to tolerate each other rather than truly like each other.  Occasionally, I’d see bouts of passion around anger, mostly about money and sometimes about a betrayal of some sort.  Most of the details about these outbursts are fuzzy because the adults in my orb were private, I kept my head in books to escape the frenzy of my surroundings, and my memory tends to squelch unpleasant memories from my childhood.

Whatever the case, I survived teenage crushes only to crash into an ill-fated and, in retrospect, entirely inappropriate first marriage in my early twenties.  Anyone else could have seen that it was ill-fated but not me.

Though I was a reader, it never occurred to me to read about relationships and marriage.  I didn’t get on the self-help reading bandwagon until I was separated and had been alone for a few years.  While piecing together bits of advice from various books, I can’t remember one book that taught me what a great and good love was from any of the reading I did in my thirties and forties.  That was my goal – to learn what a great and good love was, not just what a positive relationship was or how to work out conflicts in relationships.

I have found memoirs to be better source material for me in giving me clues about what a positive, loving relationship is. So, when I heard about Eat, Pray, Love by Elizabeth Gilbert, I nearly inhaled the book. It crystallized a journey for self-hood that involved passion, faith, and romance and love.  While I loved that book, even through those times I felt it was just a wee-bit indulgent, it is my second favorite source for an up-close and personal look at romance and love. 

My favorite example of a positive, loving, romantic relationship was not a book at all. It is a documentary by Leah Mahan, Sweet Old Song (now available on DVD), originally broadcast on the PBS series, “P.O.V.” in 2002.  As far as I’m concerned, it ought to rebroadcast every year.

Sweet Old Song features the extraordinary 20+ year love affair between artist and singer, Barbara Ward Armstrong, and her beau/husband, the late musician and artist, Howard “Pache” Armstrong.  Theirs was a great and good love, the stuff Hollywood romances are made of, only it’s better because it was between real people, both of whom it was my privilege to meet.

I won’t give too many details of their story – you really have to see it for yourself. Age is a central component. This quote is from the second of several articles about Mr. Armstrong on the NPR website. 

“When the vibrant and dashing Howard

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bakermargar 5 pts

To me, this means putting the needs of your spouse above your own, and realizing that getting your own way all the time is far less important than settling issues.

In my own marriage that sometimes means letting an issue go because it's not worth it. It also means stopping what I'm doing to make dinner for my husband because he's starving and had a rough day.

Surrender means putting aside pride, selfishness, and everything else that keeps a relationship from bring healthy and doing what it takes to work through the tough times and to relish in the great times!

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mama to the three amigos 5 pts

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Thanks for the thought provoking post on what makes a good relationship. I agreed with many of your points as well as the replies but I think one thing needs to be added. If you were to put a thousand people in one room and ask all of them this question I would be willing to bet my sons game boy that you would get a thousand different answers. That’s because the question is all relative. Relative to our religion, to what kind of relationship we saw our parents have growing up, relative to our past experiences with relationships, relative to our age, our maturity, our experience with the world and how we see ourselves in and a thousand other things that shape who we our and how we view things. Its also relative the couple at hand and what they view as important or not important in their relationship. So for example my husbands parents growing up didn't do a lot of things together. His mom was always the one taking them on vacation, doing outings and throwing the birthday parties while his father could be found usually staying home watching football! Although to this day I still cannot figure out how they are happily married, they are. 35 years and counting. To me this would be the epitome of a bad relationship. I cant imagine living what seems to me to be separate loves and if I were not to know them I would probably label this as a bad relationship. But to them the idea that I go every where with my husband even running errands just because I like his company may come across as needy and invasive. Thus they might look as this as a bad relationship.... Hence the relativity. Which brings me to my second point and that is if a good relationship is relative to the people in it then its absolutely imperative that the people in it have open lines of communication to define what is relative and important in THEIR relationship. And this my friends is an ongoing line of communication that should be addressed often. People change we need look no further than our hair color, choice of decorating from one decade to the next or our choice of music. And where we are going and what our wants and needs at that point in our life or marriage change as well. If you are going on the fact that what your significant other wanted out of a life marriage and a partner are the same as what they were 10 years ago, 5 years ago or even last month and things aren’t working for you maybe its time to sit down and reevaluate what’s relative in today’s relationship, in the here and now. What things do you need from me right now and what things are important today that maybe weren't even an issue last year.

I am of the belief that we could go around the world and find couples who fit the category of what a good relationship looks like while having the relationships themselves look nothing alike. Meaning that what works for one might not work for the other and there is no one size fits all mold to have a healthy happy relationship HOWEVER and I saved this till the end because I think it is important. If you were to dissect every happy relationship or ask people that have a good relationship what it was built on I think you would find very common themes, a fundamental foundation if you will, that all look alike. Some of the most important issues being respect, a sense of ones own self-identity.

Relationships are hard and there is a conscious decision everyday we wake up to make about how much we are willing to put into making a relationship work. It’s like that in everything we do. Our health, our parenting, our jobs. We choose what we put in and often times it is a mirror image of what we get out. 

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Candelaria Silva 5 pts

I'm glad this post got you to pondering and that you took the time to share a comment.  You mention acceptance.  That, too, is part of true love in my opinion.  You have to accept who you are and who you've got. 

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Brightness 5 pts

  I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Armstrong that generally women don't demand enough of men & of love. We possess plenty of hopes, dreams & expectations that are often revealed too late if ever.

  As a 40-something who's never married, I think my beliefs have remained the same but I do often ponder the dating/mating/marriage rituals from teens-40s & beyond.

 I believe in each age range & stage of life we are more prone to be motivated by criteria such as acceptance, love, companionship, etc. I feel we can satisfy all the stages we find ourselves in & changes we go through if we acknowledge, embrace & accept them for the value they can eventually add to us. This is what I tend to notice has happened with younger and/or longer lasting couples.

 Very wonderful read that has me ponder evermore....

~Peace & Blessings~

Candelaria Silva 5 pts

No matter what our age we should develop criteria based on self-knowledge about with whom we mate.  Marrying just for the sake of getting married no longer makes sense in today's world but on the other hand, for long periods of human history (and still) people got married to keep society going.  Gilbert's book delves into this history quite nicely.

Thanks for leaving your comment.

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Bethany Manning 5 pts

I think older is better. When we are older we know what life is all about and we know the type of person we want to spend the rest of our lives with. You can't possibly know that at very young ages. casino online ( http://www.asbafo.net )

Candelaria Silva 5 pts

I intend to agree with you.  On the other hand (I always see the other side of things) I have had  couple of huge experiences that I went into blindly and that kicked me up to another level.  If I'd known what they demanded I would have run for the hills, but because I didn't know, I met the challenges and grew beyond measure.  Those were jobs, however, so maybe they aren't analagous to relationships.  Thanks for commenting.

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Candelaria Silva 5 pts

You are so right that we are responsible for our own happiness and that it is unfair to expect it from soomeone else.  I am glad that you have a love with whom you can giggle.  My late friend Linda once commented about her mate that they had fun together even when they went to drop off the cleaning.  I remember thinking to myself, "One day I'm gonna have something like that.  A lover and a friend."

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Candelaria Silva 5 pts

Thanks for the kind words and for sharing that you can relate to my looking for and missing love that was right under my nose when I was younger.  It's great to be at peace with oneself - alone and/or with.  And you know how love (and sometimes marriage) is - it will come and find you especially when you ain't thinking about it.  Better watch out.

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Beverly Flaxington 5 pts

It took me until my second marriage to realize how important it is not to look to my mate for my happiness. I wasted so many years waiting for my first husband to "make me happy". I finally realized the truth this second time around when I started to make some of the same mistakes --  love has to come from within, not without. Once I became content with who I am, I found that romance and love could blossom with another person. I can honestly say that I genuinely like, love and enjoy my husband. We have fun and romance -- even fits of giggles together but, for me, it could never happen without my own inner peace and contentment in place first.

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Maria Niles 6 pts

While I'm not longing for marriage at this point in my life I could relate to this (especially about missing the trees for the forest when I was young)and your story and encouragement are certainly inspiring. Thank you.

The countless love songs, poems and stories written by thousands of people all over the world prove to me that the quest for love is central to human beings. I found a great and good love at mid-life and I missed at least one when I was younger and couldn’t see it for looking. No matter the age, I’m here to tell you that if you haven’t found yours yet, live an active life and it will surely come soon. It will be no less thrilling than young love and often will be deeper because of the appreciation and respect we bring to it when, SURPRISE, it comes at this point.

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IsleDance 5 pts

Thank you so much for writing this, so perfectly.  This is so important to figure out and such fun to look forward to...great love.

mhg 5 pts

thanks for the story shared...

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Candelaria Silva 5 pts

Thanks so much for sharing your story.  I am glad that you and your husband found each other and "got it right" the first time.  The depth of knowledge you have for each other and the growth you've experienced and will continue to experience are admirable. 

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AmberS 5 pts

I started dating my husband 4 days before my 15th birthday, and we have been together ever since. That was nearly 19 years ago. We have now been married for 9 years and have two children.

I certainly never expected, at 15, that I would never date anyone else again. I was hoping that it would last a month or two, which at the time seemed like a good length for a relationship. It was early May, so that would have seen me to the end of the school year in mid-June. And if it were my own daughter, or anyone else for that matter, I would caution against committing at such a young age. But I am also very happy with how it's turned out.

For me, the secret has been allowing myself and my partner to grow and change within the relationship. I think that this is something that is often harder for people to do when they're younger, but it's not impossible. When it does work, and you have a lifetime with someone - there are few things that are better.

~ Amber

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

I've been interested in reading Gilbert's follow up since reading that quote from her book in a review.  I don't know if you can always control when love happens--young or old.  Nor do I think it's as simple as waiting to find the good relationship.  I know too many people who married late and married crappy because they wanted to get married more than they wanted to wait any longer to find someone who was a better match.

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