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I just said good-bye to them at my door -- the door-to-door religious people. It struck me that I have spent a fair amount of time in my life avoiding being button-holed by people who wish to inflict-- uh, share -- their usually inflexible, generally absolute, their-way-or-the-straight-to-hell-highway-faith-position with me. Over the years I've been accosted at my door, in shopping malls, over lunch, in airports, parking lots, train stations and at social gatherings. When I was a waitress in college, some people would even leave Bible tracts instead of tips. (Oh that was a sure-fire bet to get my attention!)

I've tried many responses. Many years ago I invited urban missionaries in to chat. Here is a true story. I swear it. Two urban missionaries were explaining to my husband and me that they believed that the Holy Spirit came to earth as a real dove. At that exact moment, our pet bird, who was out of the cage that evening, flew in to the room, hovered over the guy's head and flew out. The poor guy darned near collapsed. "Oh my -- I thought it was the Paraclete!" [paraclete - another word for Holy Spirit]. "No," I said, "it's just the paraKEET!"

My attempts to engage people in real dialogue-based conversation who are hell-bent on getting me to heaventheir way, tend to be useless. They have an agenda, a quota on literature drop-offs, a set number of visits to accomplish. They definitely have been trained in what to say, how to counter objections. They travel, regardless of their denomination, in packs of at least two. They give the sense of being religious drones, sent from some master hive to pollinate the world. Their comments are well-rehearsed. I am just another person on the conversion conveyor belt.

Still, it does take a certain amount of courage to approach a stranger's door with no Avon, no Fuller brushes, no fund-raising seeds or candy bars -- just with one's faith. So I don't want to be rude. These are -- at least initially -- people whom I consider are just making a mistake when knocking at my door. They really believe they are helping me. They could be out shopping, or watching a movie, or having lemonade -- but they are out cold calling, doing what they think is a good thing.

I was polite. I asked this bunch, like the bunch who came before them, to please not come again. I told them I was happy that they have found a meaningful faith life, and that I have done so also.

I told them that I wanted to agree to disagree about religion. They told me they just wanted to talk. They wanted to share the good news they had found. I told them I had found good faith news, too -- just not their news.

They asked to leave some literature that would appeal to "spiritually minded people". In a world with more and more people identifying as "spiritual", rather than as "religious", they have clearly modified their pitch.

I asked them outright about their denominational affiliation. They told me. I told them that I would differ with them theologically on many of the major issues important to their belief structure, and that my disagreement was a profound one. I indicated that if we spoke, they would only get a recitation of differences from me.

I asked them politely if they were open to giving up what they believe, and considering conversion to my chosen faith. They said they were not. I told them we were even, that I was not open to conversion to their faith, either. I suggested that could make it easier for them to understand why I was gently sending them away. I used those words -"gently sending you away".

I asked to be taken off their visit list, telling them that no matter how many times they visited, I would not want their literature, nor would I be a candidate for conversion. I suggested we "part as friends". They told me they would still call once a year, in case the occupant of the house had moved, or changed her mind.

I asked that they look at my mailbox. If my name is on it, to not knock. I suggested that if we resolve our parting of the ways now, we can wish each other well, and "be polite while we still can". They said they would check the mailbox in a year, and if my name was still

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Mata H 5 pts

I'm curious, did anyone ever take your Mom up on the offer?

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maryrwise 5 pts

When I was a kid, the JWs and Mormons used to come to our door. My Catholic mother would always invite them in and say that she would be pleased to listen, but first they would all kneel and recite the rosary.

When my husband and I first moved into a new house, the local fundamentalist Baptist preacher knocked on our door at a very inconvenient time. I said we were not churchgoers, but thanked him for stopping by. He said, "Well, you should really come to church if you want to go to heaven." Because I believe in reincarnation, I replied, "That's okay; I'm coming back."

He never came back, though. ;-)

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Mata H 5 pts

It is a process with me. The first thingI remind myself of is that these people are doing something that they believe will sincerely help me, and will help them walk their faith walk.  And it is not easy discussing faith on a "cold call" in today's world. I am a person of faith, so I can sympathize with them on a few levels. That is where I start. The rest depends on them as well.

Some groups hold beliefs which I find offensive and damaging. I will tell those folks gently that we disagree so profoundly that the visit should stop. I don't ramp up what I say or how I say it unless the other person gets pushy or insulting....which has happened. I have never had to get angry at the door, but I have had to be very firm. I don't like it when it gets to that point, and take no pleasure in skewering anyone at the point of my wit. I just want them to go away and to stop trying to inflict belief on me that I may find offensive.

Later, however, if the visit has been challenging I will fantasize multiple wit-skewers, though -- I confess.

I actually did have one very pleasant visit since moving to this small town. A local church (American Baptist) came to invite me to attend a church dinner they were holding for people who didn't yet belong to their church. They started by saying "We hope we haven't interrupted you -- but might you have about a minute of your time?" They said they were not going to try to convert me, but they just wanted a chance to meet me and tell me about their church <i>if I was interested</i>, that the rest was up to me. They asked if I had a Bible, and if not, would I like one? Though I had a Bible and declined their invitation, I thankd them for their courtesy and wished them well.

When I lived in a small town in NJ, a local church was at the main stoplight on a hot summer  day handing out half-size bottles of bottled water -- ice cold -- to any stopped cars -- "We just want to give you something you need and can use -- have a great day" Then they left . Attached to the bottle was a card on a string that said if was a Christian, or interested in exploring Christianity, I was invited to join them for worship the next day, and that even if I didn't come, they wanted to be remembered as a respectful group that did something nice for me.

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kazari 5 pts

One of my friends was fixing his car in the driveway.  After being polite, he told them he didn't want to talk about jesus, he didn't want to pray, the house didn't need to be blessed, but could they bless the car?  It needed some help.  They knelt in the driveway and blessed the car with him. 

It was awesome.

Another friend lived in a share house with a bunch of international students (all male).  In summer, in the heat, many of them would wear sarongs and little else.  The missionaries never stayed long after being offered tea by two big hairy shirtless men, wanting to discuss family values.

In my current house, we don't seem to get so many uninvited callers.  But I always find it more fun (and spiritually uplifting) to be polite and outrageous rather than dismissive and firm.  I figure it gives them a chance to walk the walk. 

Mata H 5 pts

Yep, you and I agree -- even if we can argue with a door-stopper point by point, when the object isn't <i>dialogue or discussion</i> but Biblical one-ups[sic]manship then it really is a waste of our time and God probably heaves a deep sigh.

I am open to praying for understanding, or talking about faith and the whys, hows and wherfores that I understand or that make me think, or that challenge me -- but trading verse numbers in an attempt to prove superiority  is pretty much a spiritual chump game. It's a lot of heat but little light. And as you say -- who has time for that?

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

That bird story cracked me up, Mata.

Another friend lies to one group saying he has been "dis-fellowshipped", meaning he has done something so heinous that the group is not allowed to even talk with him ever again. He got off all that group's lists.

This cracked me up too. I can't bring myself to out and out lie, but I've occasionally dissembled just to mess with people.

On the real, I used to do a lot of religious reading and knew the Bible quite well. A JW came to my door and after talking to me said he wanted to come back with his supervisor. I said that would be fine. So he and the supervisor came by a few days later. I knew that a big part of their conversion talking points had to do with "Did you know that Christianity practices paganism?" The reaction they hope to get is shock and disbelief. But I said, "Hmm. Yes, I do." And then recited theories about Jesus's birth, origins of symbols in Christmas, explained how Constantine converted his empire, by decree, why we use bunnies for Easter, and so on.

O.K. So they moved on to something else with "Did you know X in the Bible means Y?' And I answered with something like, "Well actually that word in the Greek means thus and so and back when that passage was written people believed ABC."

O.K. So they gave up. But I've repented of messing with people's heads that come to my door pushing a particular religious brand. Who has the time for that?

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KLinnea 5 pts

Being caught up in med school, I'd let them come in, if I get to practise taking their blood pressure and using a syringe on them in return :-D Maybe a lovely sign on the door is better?

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

You nip it in the bud. You don't disagree or challenge what they say to you. You take the tract and smile or close the door.  If you answer your door and say I'm busy, I can't talk right now or take the tract and say thank you and move on, most of them don't get pushy.  That and you probably have no guilt or shame, which would mean you appear either centered or confident. Guilt, fear of confrontation, dislike for the particular group, or a strong belief in something other than what the person is telling you is usually the root of discomfort. If you don't feel threatened, then you seem receptive.

But there are instances where a target can be very nonconfrontation and politely try to get away or close the door and the proselytizer becomes more aggressive.

The well trained proselytizers also have certain groups of people they're advised not to engage. They may be cautioned to be careful that they don't get into a debate with someone from another debate system who is actually converting them not the other way around. For instance if a Jehovah's Witness comes to the door and the person answering informs them that they are Evangelical or Fundamentalist Christian, the JW may choose not to say anything else because they know that people with those beliefs are just as passionate as they are and usually have some talking points of their own.

Now, Denise, you get stopped by religious people. When I'm in relaxed state, I get stopped by people who appear to be schizophrenic or have some kind of mental disorder. They will walk up to me through a crowd of people and say, "Will you pray with me?" I don't argue. I just do it. And afterward, the go sit somewhere and be quiet. This has happened to me enough times for me to notice a pattern. LOL. If like attracts like then I'm in trouble.

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Nadirah_Angail 5 pts

HAHA, I can't believe he did that. Hilarious

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Mata H 5 pts

Yes, I understand. And how wise and compassionate of you to see it.

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Mata H 5 pts

Count yourself very lucky indeed. May your excellent good fortune continue to hold:-)

Send whatever magic sprite-dust your sprinkle on your doorstep to my house, OK?

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mashadutoit 5 pts

These days, we dont get the visitors anymore.  It might be because people really dont open the door to anyone they dont know.  Many people dont even have doorbells, you can only get in if you have your phone on you...

But where they get you, is on the train.  Every now and then there will be somebody preaching ont he train.  Most of them are quite odd.  They are not really preaching, just sort of hammering out unrelated phrases. "God is the way.  The way!  The lamb.  The LAMB of god.  You will repent." in true cartoon-end-of-the-world-is-nigh manner.

Every now and then there is a more articulate fellow, and this is what he specialises in.  He homes in on muslim women - preferably those in a full burqa and starts waving pamphelts at them.  These women, as you might expect, just ignore him, but he persists.  I find that really offensive.

I was once having a heated conversation with my then husband-to-be about childbirth and children. It was, you understand, a theoretical conversation.  But I got quite excited all the same. We were walking down the road as we were talking.

Next thing, a girl in a headscarf grabbed both my hands, looked deep into my eyes, and told me "Jesus LOVES you."  She must have thought I was talking about some real event in my life.  I was so taken aback.  The wind was taken out of my sails.  She meant so well, you see, there was such concern and love there. 

Denise 9 pts moderator

I'm not religious. I'm not even spiritual. I'm a non-believer, generally speaking. Or maybe I just believe in everything. From werewolves and vampires to God and Buddah and Allah and Zeus, to faeries and sprites.

Non-believing over-believer that I am, I worship nothing at all.

And I've been visited by dozen upon dozen of religious people. I've had them stop me on the streets, in airports, even at Starbucks once.

But, I have never ever felt like any of those people wanted to "inflict" me with anything.I also don't believe I've ever been accosted by anyone who wanted to discuss their religious beliefs (or mine.) And, interestingly enough, I've never had any difficulty smiling and saying "No thanks, I'm not interested. Have a great day!" and either closing my door or simply walking away.

The only times I've ever been troubled by folks who take their religion on the road has been when they've held protests outside of abortion clinics, high schools (holding late term abortion propaganda), or at gay pride festivals.  And of all of those events, the only ones I've ever walked away from feeling any real anger about have been the protests outside of schools.

I'm always surprised and confused when I hear people tell such unhappy stories about religious visitors to their homes. I guess I'm just lucky to have only been on the receiving end of politeness.

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Mata H 5 pts

An invitation to join you -- great idea. You may want to get the service address/times printed up on an index card for them to take with them :-)

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RainCityChick 5 pts

My spouse is pastor of our church and we even get visits from these "fools for God."  I generally simply let them know that my spouse is pastor of the church just a mile away.  Sometimes, of course, that hurls them into a rant about our mainline denomination--I simply invite them to visit us at our next service and politely close the door.

Mata H 5 pts

i agree it is a very sweet sign -- make sure you click on over to her site to see how pretty she made it, too! It welcomes people to leave in a kind way.

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Mata H 5 pts

Well, I guess he was lucky that Mona didn't answer his door (grin). Personally, I'd never do the strip for unwanted strangers thing. But it is one approach!

Chuckling here -

Mata

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LucindaA 5 pts

I think I'm going to borrow that one.  We get religious solicitors about once a month at least.  Sometimes more.  I'm polite but I'm tired of them stopping by.  I'm quite happy with my faith and don't need you to tell me how I'm wrong.  lol

tom_sheepandgoats 5 pts

The door bell buzzed. One. Twice. Three times. He answered the door stark naked.

One might suppose the stripped down approach to be foolproof. But my friend Mona is a registered nurse. She said to such a person "you don't have anything that I haven't seen before."

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