Bio
Hi - I'm Maria, nice to meet you! I've been a Contributing Editor here at BlogHer.com since 2006. I joined BlogHer as a full-time staff member after...
 
 
 
 

What’s Hot on BlogHer.com

Engage Her Documentary Launches, Plus: Was Obama the "Angry Black Man" at the Debates?

  • Share This Post
  • submit
  • 69
  • Sparkle (
    )
     

Yesterday I met Mabel Yee, co-founder of Engage Her.  She spoke to the Last Friday Ladies Lunch organized by Sylvia Paull about her passion for getting women of color to vote.

The statistics are startling: In the 2004 election, 40% of registered African American women did not turn out to vote, 69% of Latinas and 70% of Asian American women. When Yee, who decided to become a mother at age 50 and now has twins who just entered kindergarten, learned of these numbers she didn't wring her hands, she took action. As a member of Moms Rising, Yee was inspired by the activism of women like Joan Blades and she decided she wanted to make a documentary about the issue. After putting that goal out to the universe, the people she needed to join her in accomplishing the goal showed up and in less than a year the documentary is finished.

Engage Her Trailer

What struck me while Yee spoke of her passion for this project was that the concerns raised by women of color are universal concerns. Yes there are some issues that are of more immediate concern such as Type II diabetes (including the alarming increase of the disease among children) which disproportionately affects blacks and Latinos. But concerns about accountability from elected officials, and the need for quality education in order to be prepared to compete in the 21st century economy are important to all citizens in this country.

If you share Yee's concern about the issue of engaging women of color in voting and the election process, I encourage you to check out the Engage Her website, learn where there will be a screening near you, order a copy of the DVD and have a house party viewing of your own. You never know who around you needs your encouragement. In the process of making the film Yee was surprised to learn that her brother belongs to a different political party than she and that her sister hadn't voted before but plans to register and vote now that she has learned of the importance.

Jeremy Adam Smith of Daddy Dialectic went to a screening

Liza Sabater at Culture Kitchen says Engage Her and make sure she casts a vote in November

Mabel Yee launches the documentary saying Invisible No More

******************************************************************
One of the discussions going on after the debates is how far Obama could go in being forceful without invoking the "Angry Black Man" stereotypes.

Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic says:

Obama is also a black man against a white man. So he must also be very careful not to get angry and to stay cool and calm. He has to do that to avoid the "angry black man" trap. But then he cannot afford to seem weak either. You realize how hard a balance that is for ninety minutes?

Obama has to walk through a racial minefield all the time.

Jenny at Tao of Coffee recognizes the tightrope Obama is walking:

I do hope that Obama will be a bit more assertive in the next debate, albeit carefully so as not to come off as an “angry black man.”

In contrast, The Angry Black Woman examines the subtext of McCain's anger and unwillingness to look at Obama during the debate:

Not so long ago in this country — within McCain’s adult lifetime, though not Obama’s — white men did not look at black men, except to order them around or warn them off white women. They did not address black men directly if they could help it — and if they had to, it was never done in a way that might suggest respect. Black men did not look at white men either, because that was the shortest path to death; a black man who dared to look a white man in the eye was “uppity”. Didn’t know his place. Needed to have a lesson taught him, usually with a bullet or a length of rope. Even today there’s a certain kind of white man — usually older ones from the South or from wealthy backgrounds — who still won’t accord a man of color the simple courtesy of looking him in the eye. They’ll look everywhere else, address “the air” rather than the person, and get progressively more irritated if that person doesn’t back off and go away.

Ta-Nehisi

  • 69
  • Sparkle (
    )
     

Comments

Post comment as twitter logo facebook logo
Sort: Newest | Oldest
Kim Pearson 5 pts

Hi Norma,

Thank you for sharing your experiences and congratulations on your accomplishments. I did not say that you said racism and bigotry didn't exist. I merely tried to respond to your questions. 

I hope that you will use some of your column-writing expertise to share more of your thoughts about the election.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor ( http://blogher.org/blog/kim-pearson )|Professor Kim ( http://professorkim.blogspot.com/ )|

Norma156 5 pts

I appreciate your response.  However, I didn't assert that racism or bigotry doesn't exist.  I merely asserted that we've come so far that a black man can run for president and probably win.  I went on to say he should be grateful to his country, a hurtful nuance that was explained by another thoughtful post.

I really don't need an education on bigotry. My closest friend went to University of Mississippi just after James Meredith. Try that on for balls.

When we were younger, in our twenties, we were occasionally evicted from restaurants, called names on the street and on one occasion, physically attacked. He's written several books and I'm proud he dedicated the first one, a trade book, to me.

My children, who are grown now,  call him "Uncle" to this day and as they grew up he and I were entertained by the stares of grade school and high school teachers trying to process the relationship.We never voluntered anything.

It was years before another very close friend had a conversation with me about the extent of racism she experienced in the deep south. She is godmother to my first child. 

I graduated from Barnard College years before Columbia accepted women and earned a masters from Northwestern.  This was during the late sixities and early seventies and believe me, all of us were alive to racisim. And I did my part.

I'm sorry if I did not appear to be alive the impact of racisim on people today.  However, my point does remain valid.  We've come a long way. In addition, Barrack, Michelle, you, me, all of us should be grateful we live in a country where this sort of progress can be made without widespread violence. (Although now  that I understand the nuance regarding the word "grateful," I wouldn't phrase it that way.)

And, I never believe in deifying politicians...ever. It is always astonishing to me that the very people who most hated the government during the sixties and seventies now see it as the some sort of beign influence. Holy cow! Don't they get that they're still, all of them, lying? How in the hell does Obama reach some kind of celestial status? His policies are thin and discredited by experience.

Oh, well, I've enjoyed chatting with you and the woman who taught me something.  Unfortunately in this format, I can't toggle up to see her name. But I'll remember her picture. 

For your information, I used to be an award winning editorial wrrter and columist at Cox Newspapers.

It's so interested me that so-called editors posting here lost their supper over my comments. Never happened to me when I was editing. In fact, you should have seen the vitriol directed at me when I repeatedly wrote columns in support of Planned Parenthood.

Guess what I got in the mail? You know exactly.

Regards to you, Kim.

Corina Fiore 5 pts

I will address both sides of the divergent thread that has occurred here, as I find it interesting from a sociological point of view.  

First, Norma.  This is not an attack, simply making some observations.  You have found yourself attacked here in one way or another.  I think that it is fair to say that people are very passionate about the touchy subject of race.  Your comments did incite some anger.  I think it is because this is so very real to so many people.  However, you try to downplay some of their experiences by not citing them as "real".  Ask yourself right now, do you feel wronged by the thread at all?  Are you feeling as if you have been attacked here?  Do you feel the "vitrol" (as you put it) in the responses, even if the intenders meant it to make a point, and not to really attack you?  I know that you say the "bubble" is thick.  But you have mentioned this many times, and, in my experiences, you will only mention something like this, if in fact something did get to us.  "Sticks and stones...." is in a way a pep talk to ourselves.  If it did get to you, I think that the point has been waged fairly well that it doesn't take a "real" attack (and, although I don't want to make assumptions and you can correct me if I am wrong, by that you mean, physical) to make your day turn out hellish, your psyche to take a strong hit.  Strong enough to ruin a day.  Faced with it enough, strong enough to put stress on an entire life.  

To the majority here.  It is important to recognize passion.  It is important to fight the fight.  Things don't get better without them.  It is a must to ask tough questions and demand answers.  And it is very difficult not to let passions fly into other things .  But also know that, even if the attacks are perceived and not real (and, also, not media spin as in what happens in the election....), the still may seem real to the person.  Ask the tough questions.  Come up with great points.  Give examples. Continue to do some of the great stuff that you have done here, but be careful about letting the passions get the best of you (as sometimes they maybe should, but not as expressed).  Because when you do, the perceived attacks can feel real and those that you are trying to engage may shut down.  The potential for an eye-opening conversation can be lost.  

Peace

Corina Fiore from www.dtemama.com ( http://www.dtemama.com )

Maria Niles 6 pts

Norma,

I certainly don't think that "racism is the largest factor in the election," that "everyone will vote on racial lines" nor that "if you support another candidate [than Obama] you are ipso facto racist." And, from the weeks that I have been blogging race and politics and the many comments from the women on this thread and others, I do not think that any of them think that either. You are certainly entitled to your interpretation but as you've argued to those who disagree with you, simply asserting it does not make it so.

As I and others have repeatedly pointed out to you, this is a regular beat which looks at race so that is what we are discussing. There are, of course, a multitude of forces that bear upon this election. The fact that they are not being discussed with respect to this post does not mean we do not understand them or consider them.

Also, you've engaged only the comments here as far as I can see. You've not made any commentary with regard to the substance of the post. Kim has also encouraged you to read my previous posts and the links contained. There are plenty of data however nothing seems to satisfy your criteria for evidence you demand we provide you. The information is out there if you are genuinely interested however, it is not my job to do the work for you.

I'm glad you've found some useful perspective from Kim and Megan. And I am truly appreciative that you've added your voice to this discussion. We are all enriched by being exposed to a variety of viewpoints and engaging with those whose ideas differ from our own. And, as I've said before, I hope I will see your passionate voice expressed in blog posts you write to kick off the discussion of some of the other topics you raise.

However, I hope you'll consider that as disrespected as you feel by the responses back to you and as fragile as you believe others control of their anger, your first comment that generated so much response was angry and disrespectful to Mata because you reacted so strongly to her metaphor of sainthood for Obama and implied that she (and anyone who might agree with her) is dishonest, tiresome and full of nonsense. Hopefully we can all use this as a moment to recognize that the tone of our comments can affect how we are heard.

Peace,
Maria

Maria Niles 6 pts

With deciding whether or not to link to that post. However, it was a rare one that shows the tip of the iceberg I see (and I gather you have seen as well, Tacoma Mama) out there of irrational hatred directed at Obama and yet does not violate BlogHer editor guidelines for linked material.

But it is not all that is out there and there is much I think that will fuel, nurture and keep your candle flaming :)

GirlProfNYC 5 pts

Professor Kim,

What a great way to bring to light much of what is being discussed here. I totally agree, passion should not be confused with spewed hate or rather, disrespect.  If we were all very easy, it would make for boring conversation (I think).  As a fellow academic, I know much of what you say to be true and very personal. The psychological effects of racism, sexism, ageism, and anything else bias you can think of, is damaging, and much of the time for the long term.

Norma, I think we just all have different experiences in this world, obviously, and when it comes to race and politics (and religion sometimes) some of us have our nerves hit harder than others (I am taking responsibility for this as I know it to be very true for myself).  This is a learning process, and while age does matter and does count towards contributing an analysis and perspective, personal experiences whether older or young hit home the most - generation can't compete with oppression, only compared.

There was also a comment regarding Muslims/Islam which was equally disturbing, but it proves to point, that oppression is wide spread and so is racism/bigotry, we can't fight all the battles presented to us at once.  Life, as it is, while not possible all the time, should be taken one dose at a time.

-GirlProfNYC

 GirlProfNYC - www.pinkerink.com ( http://www.pinkerink.com )

Kim Pearson 5 pts

Hi Norma,

I just want to one point to your earlier summary of the points made in response to your comments, and add one personal note about the nature of my responses.

In addition to the anecdotal responses that were noted, survey data was cited. There is quite a bit more data of that type that we can bring to the discussion, if you would be interested. Also, the anecdotes about experiences in stores, academics experiencing racism from students, etc. are also reported in both qualitative and quantitative studies of discrimination conducted within the last 10 years. Again, I can point you toward cites, if you like.

 As for the tone of my responses -- I've been at this a long time. I teach in an elite, mostly white public college; I'm a graduate of two predominantly white private university. I've had every experience cited here -- including threats against my life and job -- because of my race, or because I was perceived as not having been sufficiently respectful of a white person. I have also had to mediate painful conversations in which racism was unintentionally conveyed.

The BlogHer CEs are a varied bunch, but one thing we're not is hateful. Even when we express ourselves passionately. I am sorry if you felt disrespected. I want to assure you that I am certain that every CE who has responded to you is as committed to mutually respectful discourse as I am. I don't say that on behalf of BlogHer. i say it because I know these women and their work. I consider them co-laborers in the cause of making a better world for everyone.

Peace,

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor ( http://blogher.org/blog/kim-pearson )|Professor Kim ( http://professorkim.blogspot.com/ )|

Norma156 5 pts

Okay--I definitely get this.  Good point.

Megan Smith 5 pts

Hi Norma,

I'm glad you're making an attempt to re-read the comments objectively, outside the heat of emotion.  That shows a maturity and willingness to listen that many more people need to express.

The only thing I want to address is the following:

Also troubling is the very real anger you unleashed over such a relatively minor observation that Obama should be grateful to this country. 

When black people hear a white person say they should be "grateful to this country," what a black person often hears is "you lazy black people should be grateful for whatever we as white Americans allow you to have."  

Whether that is actually what they mean is often irrelevant.  Whether you meant that is somewhat irrelevant.  It is what we hear. 

For us it's code for:  "whatever you have was given to you by us."  We didn't work for it, we didn't sacrifice for it, we didn't scrimp and save and work two jobs for it...white America gave it to us and we should be humble and grateful. If we're not it inflames white anger about anything we might have:  good educations, good jobs, homes, families...whatever.

It's like being told we're "articulate."  Not that that's a bad thing per se, but usually it's code for, "what a good black person you are...unlike those bad black people who can't speak real English."

Now you can say that you don't mean that and I would have to take you at your word.  But really, seriously think about what it might mean to us.  Without trying to speak for all black people of course, what we're asking for is an acknowledgement that we have legitimate reasons and experiences for reacting and feeling this way.

Megan

Megan Smith ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... )
BlogHer Contributing Editor, TV/YouTube ( http://www.blogher.com/blog/megan-smith )
Megan's Minute: Quirky Commentary Around ( http://www.megansminute.com/ )

Mata H 5 pts

If conversation here is not working for you, may I suggest reading Derrick Jensen's The Culture of Make Believe", which you can get used on Amazon for about $3. Sometimes, taking a step away from conversation into reading can be helpful in understanding the points we seem to be trying unsuccessfully to make.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Gena Haskett 6 pts

Not just one. The majority of retail establishments. If not floor walked then observed via the store cameras. In malls, computer stores, supermarkets. It becomes a learned skill to deal with being watched as if I would do automatically steal something. It is a systemic practice. Not 10 years, 10 years at one particular store but a lifetime of this experience. Should I never shop retail again because of it?

Fragile control of anger. That is a good phrase. At least we got it across to you that we were angry about the original post.

We were not as successful of hoping you would understand the reasons why we got angry about your statements about racism and how we were hurt by them.

We tried to tell you that you hit a nerve that has been struck at some of us many times in our respective and diverse lives.

We gave you examples from our experiences and tried to explain that we cannot speak for the Obamas' experience but know that he has a set of racial experiences European Americans general do not have. It does affect how you perceive and move through your world.

When you wrote that perhaps that my experiences were due to the manner that I was dressed I knew you really didn't understand the depth of what I was trying to covey. Perhaps I didn't explain it full enough but I am too wordy as it is.

If Prof. Kim got it across to you about the Obama's gratitude then let's let that alone.

No, not all of us will vote on racial lines. Do not assume everyone here will or will not vote for Obama. But we are aware and respect the amazing journey he is now traveling.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Norma156 5 pts

As I mentioned, I've been a member of blogher for a number of weeks.  I occasionally drop by to see what you're blogging about and am generally interested to read the blogs on politics and business. I was on my way to run a number of errands when I came upon the Angry Obama post and the one comment below it suggesting the writer wanting to start the process of making Obama a saint for running for office.

I don't see anything especially holy about Obama or McCain and elevating politicians to that degree is irritating. People who run for office are motivated by a number of factors, including what I consider distinctly unholy ambition.  So the remark was irritating and I dashed off the reply that created the outpouring of comments. Bear in mind, I stand by my comment, although as Kim noted Obama has said he's grateful to have grown up in America, which I think only serves to buttress the point I was trying to make.

After a long afternoon doing tedious chores, I dropped back by and was astonished at the amount of vitriol I occasioned. I had a glass of wine and responded to a few of the comments.

Yesterday, I dropped back by at dinner time and saw there were more.  This morning I re-read all the comments carefully trying to get around the anger and understand exactly what points you were trying to make.

Here is what I discern from them:

--Although he has every right to be angry, Obama has the temperment or the judgment not to let it show.

--A number of you produce anecdoctal evidence of racism directed toward Obama. He received secret service protection early on. The internet is a rich source of hatred. A relative whispers she will vote for Obama despite her husband. People at a rally claim they won't vote for Obama on the basis of race. The KKK distributes leaflets at an Obama rally. And, so on. Several of you suggest that McCain's posture during the debate was a form of racism, although there is not a consensus on that.

--A number of you adduce examples of racism in your own lives. A professor is called a name. People stare across a room. Someone clutched a bag in an elevator.  A tramp called someone a name. Someone's husband was involved in an altercation with a car. Someone encounters racisim over a ten year period shopping in the same store. 

--The majority consensus is that racism is the largest factor in the election and that Obama will win despite racism or lose because of it. 

There are a number of secondary points, but these seem to be the main ones.  Have I got them right?  I think so.

Having read over the posts very carefully, I'm most troubled by the last point.  It assumes everyone will vote on racial lines and that if you support another candidate you are ipso facto racist. The assumption ignores the very different directions the two candidates want to take the country.

Also troubling is the very real anger you unleashed over such a relatively minor observation that Obama should be grateful to this country.

Equally troubling is fragile control you have over your anger. I apparently made editors sick to their stomachs. Names were called. Some bloggers were so angry they couldn't reply coherently. Only a few posts disagreeing with me were written in a rational tone.  Kim's two posts stand out here.

This is frightening stuff, ladies, really frightening. 

L16 5 pts

Gahhhh, those are some cute kids.  The older one is already very pretty, and the little one seems like the kind of trouble maker that flashes a toothless grin and dimples and gets away with anything.  Love it.  Totally irrelevant to voting yes, I know.

Any thoughts on why Obama is struggling with white female boomers? I accept racism exists, but not across such a large demographic.  A minority of female boomers may feel unable to vote for a black man but that can't be the issue with all of them.

I wonder if it is because of the generational thing?  I have heard someone I know say some bizarre things about the Obama's like "she's smug and I don't trust him" and then go on to gush about McCain and it befuddles me. I really don't think this person is racist I am talking about, I think she is jealous perhaps, at how a forty something black man with a serious shot at the white house is a real possibility, while she is just another woman in her fifties who really sacrificed career to raise kids and returned only to bump her head against a glass ceiling.  Does voting for a younger, black man just remind white female boomers that they are now in the second half of life and destined to be the older crowd all the time now, while positive things they never thought possible start happening, just to groups other than themselves? I just can't otherwise explain how someone can go from supporting Hillary to supporting McCain (other than racism which I can't believe would be so pervasive).  Or am I the one who has the naivete Johnny Mac was going on about?  :)

Suzanne 5 pts

I did actually wonder if McCain did not look at Obama because he literally cannot turn his neck due to injuries, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt for that. Even setting aside the lack of eye contact, I found McCain to be extremely patronizing.

Suzanne Reisman ( http://www.blogher.com/member/suzanne-reisman ), Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender ( http://blogher.org/topic/feminism-gender )
Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS) & Other Rants ( http://cussandotherrants.com/ )

Maria Niles 6 pts

Norma,

I write a weekly post on race and politics so that's why the focus in this post. I'd encourage you to post here on BlogHer your thoughts on agism directed towards McCain and I'm certain people will share their comments and thoughts.

And the serial killer comment was made about Obama not McCain.

Norma156 5 pts

I'm curious.  Does the age-ism directed at McCain bother any of you the way the alleged deep and broad racism against Obama excites you? It's not even underground. Any of you have a problem with that.  I don't direct this toward the person who called McCain a seriel killer, of course. 

Also, I'd suggest that you have any trouble in a store, don't patronize it. Hurt them in their pocketbooks.Then let senior management know it.

Mata H 5 pts

I've been offline since entering comment #1 on this string. Y'all have been busy!

I think this proves what I said And the tacit racism that is endemic in this country, and institutionalized here, is pervasive as a weapon against him even if the people using it are not aware of it as racism. Just because someone may not get that what they do is harmful, biased and stupid, doesn't mean that it isn't.

If people breathe polluted air long enough, they stop smelling the pollution. But the pollution didn't go away, it just became normalized.

Are things better in my beloved country than they used to be? Yes. But just because lynchings are not happening in my neighborhood, doesn't mean that racism is over, or that the experience of being African American in America is not different from the experience of being white in America.

Could Obama have been nominated 20 years ago. No, I do not think so. Does that mean he has had an easy trip? No, it doesn't. Just because things are better for women now than they were in the Middle Ages, doesn't mean that there is no prejudice about women? Puleeeeze.

I hold to what I said Lord have mercy, he has a right to be angry. But he needs to get the vote, so he swallows his God given right. Like a women living in a household of abuse, he has to watch the tides of hatred closely.

And no, I am not kidding.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Tacomamama 5 pts

The one comparing Obama to Hitler.....

Reading these things was like a cold wind blowing out my tiny little optimism candle. 

Tacoma Mama ( http://www.tacomamama.com )

Kitchen Table Issues ( http://kitchentablemama.blogspot.com/ )

Sara Gunderson 5 pts

Norma156,

Racism is still racism even if it doesn't devastate the person's life. Michelle and Barack have succeeded despite racism, not because of its absence. Do you really think racism doesn't exist at Ivy League schools? Or that it isn't encountered walking down the street? Or do you only count it if it has caused measurable harm?

Sara

Megan Smith 5 pts

I have a bit of a different take on McCain, the debate and him not looking at Obama.  I think McCain was advised not to look at or engage with Obama because that's generally the advice given to a candidate who's debating on a topic that's supposed to be his strong suit---McCain and foreign policy---while trying not to "raise" the other guy to his level.  

If you engage the other man---the one's who's supposed to be the one with less credentials on the topic, you risk adding to his legitimacy.  That's always been a political tactic, even when women and black people weren't involved.

Now, back to Friday night.  I think McCain made a mistake not looking at Obama.  I think it came off as rude and as some have pointed out, angry.  Especially in light of Obama consistantly trying to engage him, especially by using his first name.

I agree with what everyone's said about Obama having to dance a fine line between "angry black man" and not being assertive enough.  We women, black women as well, know all about that, and I think Obama has done an excellent job doing that.

But for me, McCain came off as ignoring this accomplished black man who's running against him and opened himself up to people thinking he not only felt he was superior on the issue, but racially as well.  I'm not saying that's what McCain thinks.  I'm saying that if you just look at the images, that's a subtle undercurrent that many voters may pick up on and not like at all.

Megan Smith ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... )
BlogHer Contributing Editor, TV/YouTube ( http://www.blogher.com/blog/megan-smith )
Megan's Minute: Quirky Commentary Around The Clock ( http://www.megansminute.com/ )

Suzanne 5 pts

All the proof I need about the serious problems people in this country have when viewing things through the lens of bias is in that quote from hillaryorbust.com. I thought McCain looked like a seething ball of rage ready to explode any moment, and I would hardly describe him as a serial killer. The idea that someone would be so full of hate that they project their own views onto Obama by describing his eyes as "harsh, angry" and "incapable of feeling real warmth and love for another human being" makes me recoil with disgust and despair for our collective future.

Suzanne Reisman ( http://www.blogher.com/member/suzanne-reisman ), Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender ( http://blogher.org/topic/feminism-gender )
Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS) & Other Rants ( http://cussandotherrants.com/ )

GirlProfNYC 5 pts

Hi Ladies,

Just wanted to say WOW, what great posts and topics. I feel lucky I found this, and hope I am welcome in my barging in. Let's talk about race shall we?

Name calling and finger pointing as we all know gets us nowhere fast.  Intellectual stimulation is something else, which I do believe is most of what the conversation is about here.  I do believe as well, that many of us felt/feel ALSO personally attacked by comments made because racism, and when it hits home, is just that...personal.  I don't think angered responses should be taken as the spewing of hate (too easy), it's the culminating result of 439 years of oppression, it's bound to happen. Please try your best to understand.  I do agree however, that being told to "get lost" is not necessarily the best approach, for if you stay, you may learn from the newbies (hence you assume many here are different in generation from you). You can't help but feel the fire put into you when someone makes claim that racism has long been gone, doesn't exist anymore, or rather has come a long way.  For who? 

Sure many of us can ride any bus we want, and sit where we want, but the social emotional feeling of boarding certain buses still have long term damaging effects on someone's psyche.  Like many of the ladies, I too have been followed in stores, not a great feeling I have to tell you, and on some days you're not in the mood to fight, you just want to purchase something. The long term battle with racism that worked its way into intra-racism has created many an overseer to which we are subjected to racism or prejudice by our own.  This is a constant struggle as well.

Senator Obama SHOULD be grateful? For what? That his rights were given to him (freely/unfreely) and that privilege allowed every American was/is his (and Michelle's) too? I attended Ivy League institutions as well, and the "lack of racism" didn't make its apperance often.  I have been on elevators in the very same type of school that was brought up and have had people clutch their bag or move closer to their body or shift it completely out of arm's reach.  I can certainly hold my own, but I'm no threat. In 2004, I was called a "N" by a white graduate student (where I was her Professor at the time, not a fellow student).  I have people approach me on the street and first stop and ask me "do you speak English? or Hablas Ingles?" You asked for examples, but can you provide one of "real harm?" What do you classify that as? Is there a limit to harm? How recent are these experiences that are being used to measure? 

There was also a request to provide an example for "his life experience where he was prevented from achieving or doing on the basis of his skin color."  Reading Dreams from My Father, and The Audacity of Hope will provide you with a jumping off point, since Sen. Obama was the author of those books himself. Unless any of us here know him personally, it would be hard for us to provide you with HIS personal life experience. Let's not begin to talk about the disrespect he faced during last Friday's debate.

Maybe race is not a defining characteristic for you, but you aren't taking into consideration where some of us might live, where we work, and how we go on about our business and daily life experiences.  There's a sociological theory called 'Master Status' you may want to look up, and see if applicable on these terms.  Need I remind, opression comes in many forms, and for many, race is the first factor contributing to it.

I too grow tired of having to recap these examples. Sometimes you just have to live it. As an educator, and a woman of color, people will always look to the past to try and define the future, but trying to understand the present will always be sketchy because of personal experiences and relations to the world.  As there is a call for recognizing generational experiences, please respect what may qualify as members of the younger generation and their exposure to racism.

Take Care Ladies,

GirlProfNYC - www.pinkerink.com ( http://www.pinkerink.com )

Fran_b 5 pts

Let me preface what I am to say by noting that I am neither an American nor a person of colour. I never have experienced nor is it conceivable that I might experience the kind of bigotry that people of colour in the US historically have.

I follow US politics avidly and, inevitably, I persistently come across material that is simply too offensive to refer to here. Given the shrill anxiety amongst the more conservative sections of the US polity, it surprises me not a little bit that Obama has been the focus of such outright racial animus. I have to keep rem8inding myself as I meet Americans that though the voices of bigotry on the internet are loud and they are a minority. Yet it's also tru as has been noted that they do frame your politics, even for those who explicitly reject it. Your comments about Obama being seen as an 'angry black man' are germane. I read somewhere that Obam could not be calm and analytic without seeming too aloof and detached -- an elitist out of touch with common sentiment, and yet could not seem passionate without seeming dangerous.

I recall his speech shortly after "Reverend Wright" blew up. It struck me then that here was a man who, more than any I have seen run for high office, tried to speak to the public at large honestly and intelliigently about the faultlines of cultural identity and about being in more than one world and how difficult that was, not because this would serve him well but because it had to be said. I will never vote in a US election, but it seems to me that, judged by the standards of past office bearers, such a person is overqualified to be President. That he should also be a person of colour ought to be a matter of great pride to anyone with an earnest belief in the things most often grouped positively under the rubric "American values". He, much more than those flag-on-my-lapel hypocrites was entitled to be discursive about pride in country. He, far more than Hillary or McCain or any other might just begin to heal the self-inflicted wounds America has suffered, domestically and internationally. I wish the bigots would stop. I wish that politics in your country were not so much about cultural identity and belonging, but given that they clearly are, and are now being played out in such ugly fashion, one cannot but hope that the narrative ends well for those favouring inclusiveness.

Here at some thousands of miles from your shores, people get it. Here in the antipodes (Australia and NZ), Obama outpolls McCain by 4-1. The picture is similar in Europe. The rest of the world is watching, hoping that America awakens from its self-imposed nightmare.

I should say that, much as Bradley voting has been cited as a factor in this election, I don't believe that it will be. Unlike the 1982 campaign to which it refers, there has been ample scope for Bradley voters to defect on grounds that ostensibly have nothing to to do with skin colour. One has to beleive that after 'bittergate', PUMA, Reverend Wright, Michelle Obama's late declaration of pride in America, Palin and the fact that McCain is running against the Republicans to some extent, all those 'Bradley' voters are in McCain's camp if they are going at all. Many of them are in states that are firmly Red, and Obama's GOTV is going to get a much higher proportion of Democrats to the polls than in 2004 and given the large number of young people involved, Bradley is simply not going to be in the mix. 

I don't think it will be close. I see Obama winning by 100 to 150 college votes.

 If so, America really will be on the path to addressing the challenge specified by MLK  in a positive way.

Best Wishes ...

cynematic 5 pts

Norma156,

"When in his life has Obama experienced racism?? When?? Why should he
be angry?  Or for that matter why should Michelle Obama be angry??

Both of them went to Ivy League schools with the privileges
associated with them and both have surrounded themselves with
like-minded people since."

I wonder if you aren't confusing the effects of Obama's acquisition of class and educational privilege with the idea that those privileges somehow erase the experience of racism.

Class status, as we know, can change in one lifetime or over several generations. I marvel that Obama could attend the DNC in 2000 and have his credit card refused at the car rental place (as many of us may have, embarrassingly) and then come back in 2004 to give that career-making speech. Or that he could've grown up knowing intimately what food stamps were as a child and now be in hugely different circumstances. And educational privilege is also that which can be acquired--in fact, most people strive for it because they know it'll help them earn more and live better over a lifetime.

But there have always been wealthy and well-educated people of color. And we KNOW in our bones that it doesn't keep a white woman with road rage in a Mercedes Benz from cutting off a well-educated upper middle class Asian American man in his car and it certainly didn't stop her from going right to shouting racist epithets at that Asian American man, as happened to my husband this past weekend. An exoerience that left him shaking with anger. Or a homeless white man telling me when I was a student, years ago, after I declined to give him some money, that I was a "still a ch*nk."

Because the whole point of racism is to diminish a person of color NO MATTER WHERE THE WHITE PERSON IS ON THE ECONOMIC SCALE. Because no matter how educated, accomplished, well-spoken, or well-behaved, you are...in the end as a person of color you can always be reduced to a dirty/lazy/sneaky racial epithet of choice by a white person.

Can an extremely motivated, fortunate, hardworking, dedicated person achieve--even in the times of the most severe, overt racism when lynchings and other horrific abuses existed? Yes, and among African Americans in the Jim Crow era the "talented tenth" debated how and where to spread the intellectual and financial wealth of individual African Americans to the rest of the 90% of their community. Were these same people "angry" that so few others had the opportunities for upward mobility that the "talented tenth" had? I'd say it was more moral outrage than a personally-felt anger. Because whether it's 1918 or 2008, a person of color with educational and class privilege will be angry that they can experience racism because they KNOW that the exact same thing but 10,000 times worse is directed much more systematically at far more vulnerable brothers and sisters.

And that's perhaps the key difference between the way you seem to want to make anger an illegitimate emotion for the Obamas versus how an individualized incident that angers can lead to a more transcendant passion. Are the Obamas angry because they've experienced racial slights or that overtly racist people (KKK members) dare to openly recruit others to their ugly views at the campus event where Obama & McCain debated? I won't speak for them but I'd imagine that in private it's hard to feel happy about such a thing. But the more important thing, and one I'm surer of, is that the Obamas would find it an outrage that willing, hardworking, able people are denied their dreams and goals because larger forces unfairly hold them back.

The beauty of Senator Obama's message, so far as I've been able to tell, is that he doesn't have a passion for justice for only *his own* people, however one might try to describe that group. He truly wants justice for every single person here in America. And that would mean, for example, working with nose to the grindstone for health insurance to cover the very same bigots who were recruiting for the KKK, as well as for the rest of us.

Because even bigots get sick. And it's a moral outrage that racist bigots might someday be bankrupt because they're faced with crushing health care costs. We just don't let misery and misfortune pile up on our fellow beings, we just don't. Not if we're human.

if it's anger or moral outrage that fuels a person to fight the good fight, then I'd say it was emotion put to productive use.

Cynematic

Maria Niles 6 pts

The catch-22 you describe is an excellent observation. Thanks for your thoughtful comment.

Corina Fiore 5 pts

It is a tough road.  I am angry.  Many people in this country are  angry.  Health care, mortgages, the economy, the war,  the dwindling lack of opportunities in this country, all stir thoughts of confusion, anger, disappointment and even fear.  There is alot for us ALL to be angry about.   No matter which candidate you are, when you work to represent the people this anger may come through (and some of it might just be personality).  It was evident for John McCain in the debate.  Anger, standoffishness, and poise can make or break ANY campaign.  That being said,  showing anger is a little more risky for Obama. 

Why? 

Because, even though our country has come a long way in terms of overcoming racism, it clearly exists.  

Because McCain's anger often gets interrpreted as being forceful, a leader, assertive.

Because there are many, many undecided voters out there.  Many of these undecided voters will hold prejudice, even if it is unbeknonst to them, against Obama if he lets some of this anger show. 

Racism is one thing when it comes to this election.  Those that are racist are not going to be voting for Obama anyway.  The real issue is for those voters that are not racist,   those voters that generally have no problems with African Americans, Latinos, etc. These voters have collegues that are African American, maybe even friends that are African American.  However, chances are they still have slight prejudices.  And these prejudices may, just may, change their vote come election day. 

It is hard to watch him have to be as careful as he is, walking the fine line between expressing his outrage with current situation and showing anger. Because to have to be that careful, I feel, also hurts his chances in another way.  It often makes him come across as less genuine, less authentic.  And, unfortunately, this is another complaint that many undecided voters have about him. It has become a Catch-22.

Corina Fiore from www.dtemama.com ( http://www.dtemama.com )

Maria Niles 6 pts

Thanks for your comment and analysis. The Angry Black Woman's post ( http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/09/27/the-subte... ) and the comments has the best discussion of McCain's body language that I've seen.

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I cannot speak to the Obamas' experiences with racism. Until they themselves, their daughters when they are old enough to speak of it or if I directly witness an event then I have no proof that would satisfy you. I do not speak from conjecture if possible.

Here is an involuntary rite of passage for Black men. If Obama ever drove a nice car and was not stopped, questioned and laid out over the hood of the car before he could prove it was indeed his car or that he has never been hassled by the police for walking down the street I would be shocked.

Would such an event stop him from being successful? No. Would such an event affect how he sees himself and the world? I can't say. You'd have to ask him.

I have tried to explain what I have seen as examples of 2008 political racism and intolerance. I have shared specific 2008 incidents in my life which you chalked up to me not being properly dressed.

I state once again, your original post touched a nerve. People got angry. It is hard to be polite when you feel that you have been hurt. I have apologized for inadvertently insulting you which I never intended to do. If I wanted to cuss you out believed me there would be no question or lack of vocabulary words for me to do so.

I have no desire to cuss you out. I respect you for at least trying to have a dialog but we are not understanding each other. I'm not speaking for anyone but myself here.

I have never damned this country but I will damn bad things done in the name of this country. It is my right as an American. I will tell you honestly there are times when I am made to feel like I am not an American. There are also times when I am able to proudly feel like I am included. That isn't often.

I've tried my best to find language that would help bridge the divide. I have nothing left this evening. Maybe it is foolish to even engage in these kinds of discussions. So I'm going to breath and meditate how we collectively can do this in a different more effective way.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Maria Niles 6 pts

I totally agree, Stefania - the spirit of ohana is strong and is a good way to explain Obama's approach and temperament.

And love those pictures :)

Looking forward to your take on MOMocrats.

Nordette Adams 6 pts

I saw a blogger for one of the big newspapers who mentioned McCain appearing to be a "grumpy old man." :-) 

Your observations about the fine line Obama must walk regarding his heritage and place in America are rather insightful.  

Nordette ( http://blogher.org/blog/nordette ) is a Contributing Editor with BlogHer.com whose personal blog is hosted on another site at this link ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com ).

( http://blogher.org/blog/nordette )

Maria Niles 6 pts

I have linked to several examples where people have stated that they will not vote for Obama because of his race and have openly encouraged others to do the same. There are volumes of examples far worse to which I refuse to provide links. Also, as Kim has pointed out, receiving a number of death threats so high he required earlier Secret Service protection than any other presidential candidate in history.

That he cannot run for office without losing votes or fearing for his safety or that of his family because of his skin color I consider Obama to be substantially hurt because of racism. He may win the election but it will be in spite of the racism and because of the progress we've made, not because he hasn't been harmed by it.

CityMama 5 pts

Obama in Hawaii:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/obamas-ha... ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/obamas-ha... )

I hope everyone looks at these.

I look at these photos and I am overcome with emotion. Why? For many reasons.

First, I grew up in Hawaii. I was born in the same hospital as Obama and went to the same (non-denominational Christian) school. Hawaii is a melting pot of beautiful and varied races and cultures to be sure, but to be half-African American, even in "color-blind" Hawaii, is still, at times, painful (which Obama documents in Dreams From My Father so the person who said he was never the victim of racism can #suckit. I know how he grew up).

Second, having grown up in Hawaii, I know the community that surrounded him. It wasn't just his family or his school, but the entire island surrounding him with the spirit of ohana (family). I see Obama's "Hawaiiness" in the debates. I see it when he says "John McCain is right," finding the rare places where he CAN agree with McCain before taking him apart with searing criticism.

In Hawaii a high social value is placed on respecting elders and being courteous. It's the island way. I would venture to say that everyone from Hawaii watching the debate was thinking, "Yes, he had to take McCain down 17 notches, but at least he showed manners and acted like a gentleman. His family raised him right."

I look at those Hawaii pictures and it's like I can see right into his soul. I see a relaxed, calm, and even person. I know his smile because that is a smile that people who were born in Hawaii but don't live there anymore smile whenever they return home.

Nordette, I am like you. I couldn't stand on that stage and let that doddering old jerk make a fool of me. I would have come across as more than an "angry half-korean, half-italian woman," I would be calling him a f*cktard and a bigot right to his Botoxed, pancaked face. So it's good that we have a candidate that is so...presidential. It's about (damn) time.

I want Obama to counter punch, land some when he has to, and be a strong, vigorous debator. He can be because the country is behind him.

YES WE CAN!

PS Gah, I just broke Elisa's "more than 3 grafs it should be a blog post" rule...so perhaps I will take this to MOMocrats...

Stefania Pomponi Butler

I blog:
CityMama ( http://citymama.typepad.com )
Kimchi Mamas ( http://kimchimamas.typepad.com )
MOMocrats ( http://momocrats.typepad.com )

Leslie Madsen Brooks 5 pts

Watching Friday's debate, I was surprised at McCain's refusal to so much as glance at Obama, let alone address him, during the debate, even after moderator Jim Lehrer asked the candidates to talk to one another. So much of McCain's body language was that of a frustrated and angry man. And while some people have commented on his body language, not enough has been made of it--under pressure, McCain seems to be barely holding it together, and certainly unable to directly address his adversary.

Meanwhile, Obama not only must avoid the angry black man stereotype, but also a host of other stereotypes. For example, to appeal to greater numbers of Americans, he needs to ground his identity in his biculturalism without seeming to be the "tragic mulatto" ( http://www.ferris.edu/JIMCROW/mulatto/ ) who will never fit into mainstream American life because he is neither this nor that. (Related to this stereotype, the comments I heard about Obama being a "secret Muslim" reminded me of the literature of fear surrounding people of mixed race and/or African descent "passing" as white.) I'm also curious as to whether some African Americans feel Obama is not showing enough anger, that comes across as too white-identified and placating.

I think the problem is that people on both sides of the campaign are speaking from places of frustration and anger. I wish we could see more (civil) civic discourse, but I'm afraid most Americans have forgotten how to talk with one another--and many may never have learned how to talk about race, especially with people who look different from themselves.

Racism is a powerful undertow in this presidential campaign and in the country. You may not see it from where you're standing on shore, but wade out into the cross-cultural waters, and you will feel its strength.

Leslie

BlogHer Contributing Editor, Research and Academia ( http://www.blogher.com/topic/research-academia-edu... )
My blogs: The Clutter Museum ( http://cluttermuseum.blogspot.com ), Museum Blogging ( http://www.museumblogging.com/ ), and The Multicultural Toybox ( http://www.multiculturaltoybox.com )

Kim Pearson 5 pts

As you have noted, our forebears paid a high price just so we can have this conversation.

 I asked you to consider the substance of Maria's posts over the last several weeks, in which racist attitudes behaviors were documented. and research was cited that found evidence that a significant portion of the electorate has said it will not vote for Obama because he is half-black.

I will not presume to speak for Barack and Michelle Obama about the impact of racism on their lives. I do think the fact that they have needed Secret Service protection almost since the time of Sen. Obama's announcement is telling.

FWIW, I am their contemporary. I came from a background similar to Michelle's and also graduated from Princeton, so I can tell you about the impact of racism on my life and the lives of those I see around me. But I think that would be a tangent.

Rather than speculate, could you please address the substance of Maria's post?

I thank you in advance and look forward to learning from you.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor ( http://blogher.org/blog/kim-pearson )|Professor Kim ( http://professorkim.blogspot.com/ )|

Tacomamama 5 pts

So I'm afraid I am not following you, as you are contradicting yourself.

You say that because there is less racism today, he may be our next president.  But that wasn't originally your only point.  You were pretty angry there, in your first comment, or at least you read that way to me, at the idea that someone (Obama or the original poster) could be angry about racism, today.  Why did that upset you?  I am still trying to understand that.  

And I also don't understand why we have to tell you that Obama had to sit at the back of the bus or go to a segregated school or face fear of lynching in order to prove to you that he has been impacted by racism. I suppose that would make it easier, if we could just look at the world and say:  See?  The law says we don't discriminate, therefore, we don't.  But not even the law sees it that simply anymore. 

I won't speak for anyone else but one of the reasons you got such a quick angry response from me is because there have been a number of individuals posting one or two angry comments and then disappearing, of late.  I am afraid I made an unwarranted assumption that you were part of the "ding, dong, ditch" school of political discourse, and to your definite credit you are not.

Tacoma Mama ( http://www.tacomamama.com )

Kitchen Table Issues ( http://kitchentablemama.blogspot.com/ )

nowickedwitch 5 pts

 I'm confused?

Having  and a mother who pushed you, and the ability to get into good schools does not mean you do  not suffer from the effects of racism.

Tell me how going to an Ivy league school means you can't experience significant racism? I went to NYU and racism still persists believe me. If you don't think so ask the girl across the hall from me freshman year, my brothers African American roommate at Brown, or a girl in Ohio at a respected 2nd tier Ivy who happens to be of Asian descent.

There are studies of academic nature, and polls very recent, like last week ,which indicate the Bradley effect will be present in this election, making it necessary for Obama to poll 10 percent higher to win. People admit to not knowing if they can pull the lever for a black man even though they want to.

You have major news pundits discussing how he looked "darker" than usual at the debates. This is not something you discuss in a country not still heavily chained to it's racist roots.

I was at an event Saturday evening with a group of educated adults from the D.C. suburbs, and I heard quite clearly from several people that they "just didn't think this country was ready for a black president".  

Sorry, racism is alive and well here.

cooper

Norma156 5 pts

I asked you "ladies" to give me one, just one, example of racism that derailed or hurt Obama. Lots of mean responses. But not one,not one piece of evidence that Obama has ever been hurt in a substantive way by racism.  Please, I again ask you, adduce the proof.

In your need to damn this country, you've called me everything you could manage and frankly I'm disappointed at your lack of imagination. But, jeez, I guess I can take it. The bubble is thick. Nobody ever claimed I had a brain, so your charming colleague who called me "brainless" isn't far off the mark.

 My question remains: Give me one, just one, example of where Obama or Michelle didn't achieve what they wanted to?  Give me one example of where racism derailed or changed the path of their lives? Come on, ladies, tell me.

You can't.  But you can get on on with denigrating the country who supports him.

Anyway, hurl all the names you'd like.

Kim Pearson 5 pts

This is what makes me grateful for blogging -- that we can have this conversation and do the work to get to real understanding.

 Sisterhood IS powerful.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor ( http://blogher.org/blog/kim-pearson )|Professor Kim ( http://professorkim.blogspot.com/ )|

Maria Niles 6 pts

Preach on sister, Erin. There is truth to your witness.

Just like emotional abuse can be just as damaging as getting beaten, racism does not have to be firebombs, tear gas, and hoses to affect a life.

ConsumerPop Marketing ( http://www.consumerpop.com )
PopConsumer ( http://consumerpop.typepad.com/popconsumer ) (Politics, Current Events & Links)
Beyond Help ( http://mariax.vox.com/ ) (Music, TV & Pop Culture)

Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

"When in his life has Obama experienced racism?? When?? Why should he be angry? Or for that matter why should Michelle Obama be angry??"

To which I found you blind. Because I see it daily, hourly and with every email in my inbox.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain ( http://queenofspainblog.com/ )

Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

I stopped short. And said as much. Because I needed to know more based on your very big assertions.

I think Kim above just detailed very nicely some instances of racism simply in the past 2 years alone. If that's just one presidential race, I think we all can infer their lives have seen a bias or two or 300.

I don't think anyone has minimized any other generations achievements in the area either. I'd like to see examples of that, if you please. Again, as Kim mentioned, the Obama family has repeatedly acknowledged as much

I disagree that racism is not a defining characteristic of our country any longer. And I say that simply by what I've witnessed in this election. Its almost a more dangerous form of racism that has gone from lynchings and segregation to white privilege and whispers and those keeping quiet publicly for fear the 'pc police' will recognize them for what they really are.

As my Aunt whispers to my mother she'll vote Obama, but dare not tell her husband for fear his racist rage would harm them all....yeah....it affects Obama. He will be denied votes based on the color of his skin and may even lose states like Wisconsin and Ohio because of it.

I'd say losing an election is a pretty good example.

I suggest you read Maria's past posts. I suggest you also read some of the work of Kim Pearson and others and their documentation of how race plays into this election and the lives of millions of Americans.

Just like emotional abuse can be just as damaging as getting beaten, racism does not have to be firebombs, tear gas, and hoses to affect a life.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain ( http://queenofspainblog.com/ )

Kim Pearson 5 pts

Repeatedly. They've both said that their success could only happen in America.  They've also said we still have a ways to go.

And I agree with you that both Obamas have benefitted from the efforts of previous generations of Civil Rights activists.They have often said so, even as Barack Obama has tried to articulate a response to the race and class realities of this era.

Over the last several weeks, Maria has reported ( http://www.blogher.com/week-race-and-politics-four... ) the evidence that racism and white privilege are real factors in this election. While millions of voters put aside racial considerations and voted for or against Obama based on his record and proposals, others are saying that race will influence their vote. There's no denying the racism in the "Obama waffles" stunt.  

Norma, I don't know what the Obama's gratitude has to do with Maria's post. Surely we can agree that Obama's achievement is a milestone in the struggle for racial equality. At the same, it is crucial that we don't lose sight of the fact when it comes to racism, we are not yet saved.

Peace,

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor ( http://blogher.org/blog/kim-pearson )|Professor Kim ( http://professorkim.blogspot.com/ )|

Norma156 5 pts

This kind of stuff is unforgiveable.  But in my relatively long life time, I've noticed that I get more prompt help from sales associates if I'm well dressed. (An infrequent occurance.) If I wander into some place looking like hell, which I frequently do, sales people follow me, wondering what the hell I'm doing there.

When I go into stores with one of my male black friends, I notice today, I get a lot more help than I used to.  Back then, the suggestion was that we leave.  It wasn't suble.

But maybe the reason is that we get help is because my black friends look better than me.

In any event, my advice to you is fuck 'em.

Gena Haskett 6 pts

If a store ask me for ID before accepting my card I welcome that in this age of identity theft. I am talking about the presumption that because I am Black I will steal something out of the store.

I am talking about having a store clerk apologize to me under her breath because her store manager told her to follow me or be fired and me whispering back "I understand." because he is watching her watching me.

Or not offer the same level of customer services because they don't think I have the money to purchase the items in the store. Or people looking at the empty seat next to me on the bus and are willing to stand before they will sit next to me or a black man, a Latina woman, or the "other."

All of us live our personal life. We intersect and diverge with one another. We come together except when we cannot see the validity of another person's point of view.

That is what this whole thing is about. Recognizing and respecting another point of view. That is what we are trying to do here and it is not easy. We have to speak our facts to get to the ultimate truth.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Norma156 5 pts

i mentioned "people" because I was unwilling to directly attack the writer of the original post. In the context of the lovely responses I've received, I'll expand "people" to include all of you who took personal shots at me or put words in my mouth without acknowledging the only point I was trying to make: Things have changed.  Obama and Michelle have benefitted from the changes.They should be grateful for a country that can change. (As we all should be.)

Why do you mention Obama's writing some kind of brief on racism in this country? Who denies racism in this country?  I certainly don't. My point is that racism is so damped down that the color of Obama's skin is not the reason he's a presidential candidate.  But judging from the vitriol of the comments, perhaps it is.

Did I say there is no more progress to be made? No.  I said the lack of racism in this country is one of the reasons he is probably our next president.

Okay, now skewer me. Oh, I forgot, I'm behind the bubble. Blind and twitterless.

Norma156 5 pts

I haven't seen any of these items.  They are despicable.

Everyone is subject to increased scrutiny.  Stores I've patronized for years are asking IDs. This isn't racism.  

Caution: I do not believe Obama is a member of the Islamic religion.  However,  this is not a peaceful religion.  Don't think it for a minute.

The book, the Koran, is written in a form of archic Arabian so its followers don't even realize what they're chanting. The one real English speaking scholar on Islam is Bernard Lewis who taught at Columbia when I was at Barnard, Columbia's sister college. He later moved to Princeton, where Michelle went to school, and where I grew up.

Pick up a copy of one of his books.  They were re-released after 9/11. He was writing decades before 9/11 and has no ax to grind.

Maria Niles 6 pts

I think it is important to have a range of views and I appreciate your commentary and engagement.

ConsumerPop Marketing ( http://www.consumerpop.com )
PopConsumer ( http://consumerpop.typepad.com/popconsumer ) (Politics, Current Events & Links)
Beyond Help ( http://mariax.vox.com/ ) (Music, TV & Pop Culture)

Gena Haskett 6 pts

Forgive me if you thought that I was implying that you came straight from the Matrix. That was not my intent and I do apologize.

I gave you current examples of some of the least noxious items that are being displayed, sold and used as a mocking justification of why people should not vote for him because of race. There are worse, far worse that I would not subject anyone to view. Making fun of political candidates is one thing. Seeing images about lynching his wife is & equating him with the anti-Christ is another.

Constantly linking his name the foul actions of bin Laudin, being a follower of Islam or being a closet Muslim is an insult to the peaceful believers in Islam, a racist act by itself, and by implication to him.

Every week or so there is a post here or on other sites that basically implies either "We play the race card and are perpetual victims" or "There is no racism in America anymore so what is your beef?"

I did not mean to imply that you thought African Americans were not human. I meant to imply that on a daily basis there are people in this country who attempt to strip me of my humanity and I get f*cking sick of it.

I get angry. I will defend myself. I live this experience every day of my life. It is not a philosophical discussion.

When I walk into a store that I have used for 10 years and I always hear "Security, please begin you floor walk now." as I cross the door or have a sales clerk tail me around the store (any store) or witness L.A. police attack Latino families in MacArthur park then yeah, I don't have to go looking for racism, it comes to me. I fit the profile.

You fought the fight 40 years ago. Good for you and thank you. I'm dealing with the hear and now. The fight has changed, the methods more subtle (or not) but the problems remain.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Tacomamama 5 pts

I did not take enough deep breaths before responding.

Here is what you said:

It is so tiresome that people refuse to acknowledge the strides this
country has made in combating racism.  It is tiresome that people
refuse to acknowledge the fact that Michelle and Barrack have benefited
from the LACK of racision in this country.

And my response, I suppose, should have been that I don't know about "people" but Obama is certainly aware of it, as he co-wrote a casebook on voting rights and used to teach a class at the University of Chicago law school on racism and the law.  Not that you have to do anything like that in order to be aware of the history of racism in this country. 

Maybe I spoke too fast and you can tell me which "people" you are referring to, and in what way they refuse to acknowledge  that we have advanced since the Jim Crow era. Do you mean the people here at Blogher?  Which of those people?  And if the people do acknowledge that progress has happened, do people have to feel that there is no more progress to be made?  Does it mean that Barack Obama (or anyone else) can't get mad when they google "Obama racism" and find pages and pages of hateful tripe accusing Obama of being a racist and then levying racist attacks against him?  

I did not take the time to craft a thoughtful, reasoned response and resorted to sarcasm, and I apologize for that.  

I guess I'm trying to figure out what your point is and not put words in your mouth.  You say  you acknowledge that racism exists, but it makes you angry that people talk about racism in reference to this election because our society is not as racist as it used to be?  Is that what you mean?

If it is, then I do not see why it would be wise to tolerate present racism.  What does that accomplish?

Tacoma Mama ( http://www.tacomamama.com )

Kitchen Table Issues ( http://kitchentablemama.blogspot.com/ )

Norma156 5 pts

I suggest you read the comments in response to my post.  Perhaps you might also want to re-read your own comments.