Everyone isn't talking, not yet anyway
by Virginia DeBolt

The Washington Post published an article—or maybe it was an editorial or maybe it was an ad, I can't decide—called If Everyone's Talking, Who Will Listen recently. It was written by Dusty Horwitt.

The article says there it too much information, especially from the overly talkative blogosphere, to the point that information just gets diluted, not spread in a useful way. Horwitt suggests that information outreach is impossible online. He states,

The overload siphons audiences and revenue from newspapers such as The Post and other outlets that can spread important information.

He throws around some ideas to show that information should be consolidated in places like newspapers. He cites examples that supposedly support his position that information should be confined to places like newspapers with statements such as,

Without broad media coverage, the civil rights movement might never have succeeded.

At this point, I'm beginning to wonder if this guy is joking. Maybe he's trying to be funny. Then he says,

Rather than call for government regulation of technology itself, perhaps the best way to limit the avalanche is to make the technologies that overproduce information more expensive and less widespread. It could be done via a progressive energy tax designed to keep energy prices at a consistently high level (while providing assistance to lower- and middle-income Americans).

An energy tax on bloggers who overproduce information? But not on newspapers, who apparently use no energy and consume no resources at all? If he isn't joking, he should be.

At Play in the Field of Ideas posted Oh, WaPo, We Knew You When, in which librarian Genevieve Williams "unpacks" the article bit by bit. She carefully looks at each point, but starts with,

My first thought is that Dusty Horwitt should read some history. Specifically, of newspapers and journalism. Particularly of the 19th century.

My second is that Horwitt's piece is pretty profuse, itself. You can throw as many statistics on the printed page, or the computer screen for that matter, as you want, but by themselves they don't add up to an argument.

Liz at Composite: Thoughts on Poetics and & Tech, posted Halfwitted journalist thinks only rich people should blog. She says,

This is so awesome I thought for a minute it was satire. Dusty Horwitt, pissant little environmentalist, lawyer, and journalist (and Bill Clinton impersonator, on the side) thinks blogging is the death of democracy.

Apparently democracy means a few rich people talk, while everyone listens. You... yes you... have the right to shut the hell up and be a good audience. Stop blogging! You're polluting the infosphere! You're killing newspapers, communities, democracy, and the environment, and if you're in the U.S., you're forcing jobs overseas! All by creating an "information avalanche". God knows we should all beg to go back to the days when we apparently sat around getting a political "education" from notorious anti-Semite and Hitler fan Charles Coughlin... as Horwitt suggests.

Dusty Howitt is indeed a Clinton Impersonator, a Singer and Songwriter, and a lawyer for the Environmental Working Group (EWG). The EWG's mission: "to use the power of public information to protect public health and the environment." How do they carry out this mission? Using a web site, of course. Over-informing via RSS feeds.

All this might be just a passing flurry, earning Dusty his 15 minutes, as staghounds suggests, and everyone would go on with the business at hand.

Except not to me. That's because the same day I read this article, I finished reading Creating a World Without Poverty: Social Business and the Future of Capitalism by Muhammad Yunus, the Nobel Prize winning creator of Grameen Bank and the microcredit revolution that has brought thousands of people out of poverty.

I was busy thinking about how the power to connect can make so much difference in people's lives. Not just by consuming information but by creating it as well.

In the chapter of the book called "Information Technology, Globalization, and a Transformed World" Yunus talks about The Power of IT to Help the Poor. A few of his points:

- Properly applied, the new IT can largely eliminate middlemen who fail to add unique value, allowing people in the poorest countries to work directly with consumers in the developed world.
- The new IT can promote self-employment among the poor, liberating them from reliance or corporate employment or government make-work programs and unleashing their creativity, energy, and productivity.
- The new IT can bring education, knowledge, and skill training to the poor in a very friendly way.

Not too much information, not to much energy consumption, but access, choice, empowerment and multi-dimensional relationships.

People with access to the Internet like bloggers do things like particiate in Blog Action Day. On that day, maybe I can use my little information spreading !st Amendement machine called a blog to help spread the word about what a concept like "social business" is and how it might help end proverty.



Blog Action Day 2008 Poverty from Blog Action Day on Vimeo.

No, Dusty, I don't think near enough people are sharing information. Not near enough.

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Virginia DeBolt
BlogHer Technology Contributing Editor
Web Teacher
First 50 Words

Comments

 

Who would think...

that an assault on the first amendment would be voiced by a writer for a major American newspaper?

Asking 'who will listen?' is surely rhetorical, intended or otherwise. And I'd guess one of the first not to listen is the person who wrote the article.

I wonder... if blogging was around at the start of this nation, with every citizen capable of sharing an opinion as they wished online... would a subsequent civil rights movement - that which media rightly played a prominent role in assisting it come to fruition - even have been necessary?  

 

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

Arguably, blogging was around in the 18th
century

Contemporary blogging is a lot like the pamphleteering of the 18th-19th century. Granted, every citizen wasn't capable of participating then (most poor people, women and slaves weren't literate or monied enough to pay for printing.) But the reality is every citizen isn't capable of participating now. Literacy, computer access and broadband are not universal.

And yes, a civil rights movement would have been necessary. You have only to consider the consequence of the publication of David Walker's Appeal to to the Colored Citizens of the World, published in 1830. Walker, a free black man living in Boston who  had been a sales agent for Freedom's  Journal, the first  African American newspaper. He died the next year, probably of tuberculosis, although many people thought he was murdered. His pamphlet probably fomented Nat Turner's revolt the next year, and inspired much of the abolitionist activity that followed in the years after.

Of course, Walker fared better than Elijah Lovejoy, publisher of the anti-slavery Christian newspaper, the St. Louis Observer. He was murdered by a pro-slavery mob in 1837. 

 

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

 

Good points...

in response to my simplistic comments.

Sometimes we forget that not everyone has access to the internet as we do, not have access to the same education, etc.

If we made great strides in education, great strides in getting resources to everyone - meaning more thoughts and such out here, and not less, what then?

I don't see the author's point as valid now - that does not mean I devalue the role of the press or electronic media, far from it - or in the above scenario. I think we all gain from being able to get more info out there... what has to happen is that professional media has to find a way to  adjust and thrive in such an environment. That won't be accomplished by finding means to encourage less participation. 

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

Early blogging

Kim! I tried to make this point "Contemporary blogging is a lot like the pamphleteering of the 18th-19th century." to my teenage daughter a couple of years ago when she started to move from livejournal and myspace to a wordpress type blog. She looked at me like I had two heads. I'm sending this to her today. Heh. Thank you.

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You're welcome! And Nelle we agree

You know I love any conversation that encourages more appreciation for history! ;-D

And yes, the antidote to uninformed conversation is more informed conversation. Nothing disinfects better than sunlight. 

 

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

 

We'll agree on that as well. :)

My background is 20th century European history, and I fell right in the further hole, without thinking.

Education is one thing where I see no limits, no excess. Further education is always a good thing, no matter if formal or life experience. Show me a problem, the solutions will be found through education. And that's one element we as a society so often fall short on. We talk about things like defence of the realm, failing to see that in a technological age, defence is tied right to educating the populace, a strong educational system.

We talk on the economy, there it is again. And on and on and on.

While I've seriously digressed as per usual, I see ability to share thoughts and information in the same light. What becomes more critical are skills to discern what is worthy information and what is not. And really, that is a skill that we should be making use of with any and all information, setting aside the intended direction of the author's comments.  

 

nelle

&

llhaesa

 

Dusty Has a Lot of Company

Queen1

www.whenwearequeen.squarespace.com

Limiting the spread of information and controlling how it is described and dispersed is an old fascist trick.  Unfortunately, not just old-style journalists are indignant and alarmed at new forms (and some old forms) of media.  Pelosi and her cronies want to shut down talk radio with the Fairness Doctrine.  (And sadly, many Americans, apparently unfamiliar with the First Amendment, agree that radio stations should be forced to be "fair.")  Of course, limiting speech on the radio won't be the end of it.  Give it a little time, and we will see efforts to corral the speech free-for-all that is the internet.  Oddly, it is always the left that seems to be for constraining speech. 

 

The fairness doctrine

Is that what leads to the crap called "balanced news" which means you hear spin from both sides but nobody investigates the truth?

Virginia DeBolt
BlogHer Technology Contributing Editor
Web Teacher
First 50 Words

 

Your point about the Fairness Doctrine
contradicts the research

I wrote a post on this subject a while back. The research that I found then shows first, that there is no real support in Congress for reviving the Fairness Doctrine, and second, that there is no concerted effort to shut down right-wing talk radio. Finally, the concerns about constraining speech on the internet have to do with corporate control, not ideology. (For examples, see the whole Net neutrality debate. Freepress.net is a good place to start.) 

 

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

 

Well what do we expect, when

Well what do we expect, when he works for a newspaper? Free information must be their worst nightmare. 

You're right, it would have been a superb satire piece! 

 

Susan

stonyriverfarm.blogspot.com

www.carersgroup.com 

 

Dusty's fears aren't so hard to understand

Granted, Dusty doesn't understand the blogosphere and his comments are ill-informed. His recommendations are like a call for government subsidies of the buggy-whip industry at the dawn of the automotive age. That's shooting fish in a barrel.

But his fears are not without foundation. 

Newspapers are dying, and many magazines are on life support. Thousands of people who have invested their lives in a career that they thought served a noble purpose are finding themselves without paychecks, health insurance and retirement benefits. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, half of the employees in newspapers were over 40 in 2000. Like autoworkers and steelworkers in the 1980s, newspeople who worked hard and paid by the rules are in a vise through no fault of their own.

And please note two more things. Most journalists are not making big money. It's not unusual for a veteran reporter at a medium size paper to make less than $40,000/year -- with limited health benefits, if any at all. And a lot of people who work at newspapers are not reporters. They are truck drivers, press operators, secretaries.

I am not asking you to agree with Dusty. I don't agree with him myself. But please acknowledge that there is real pain here. 

Finally, even though I am a blogger, there are important resources that we lose as mainstream news organizations weaken and die. Most bloggers don't have time to do the beat reporting that leads to important investigative journalism about corruption, waste and abuses of power. It takes money and computing resources to do the public records searches that are needed to understand why our food and toys are toxic, or how the subprime mortgage messes happened. It's these shoe leather reporting skills and resources that Dusty is inartfully referring to.

Newspapers aren't dying, and they won't be available to do that work, but we still need it done if we intend to preserve a democracy. A lot of people are working on the problem, and organizations such as the Knight News Challenge are trying to stimulate creative solutions. This is where our conversation needs to go.

Thanks for raising this topic, Virginia. 

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

 

Your points about the inequality

in broadband access and the lack of support for investigative journalism are very important and I thank you for the contribution. These are the kinds of connections I was trying to suggest with my reference to Creating a World Without Poverty.

If you refer to that book's premise about social business (which I only mentioned in passing above), perhaps fact finding and investigation needs to be moved into the realm of social business and taken out of the paradigm where profit is the motive.

If for-profit corporations no longer supplied our news, but rather businesses run with the social goal of finding and broadcasting factual news, it might make a tremendous difference. Questions of providing a salary to someone who sat sifting through documents and chasing down information in the streets would be resolved by deciding whether the work met goal of finding and broadcasting factual news instead of the goal of turning a quick profit.

Virginia DeBolt
BlogHer Technology Contributing Editor
Web Teacher
First 50 Words

 

People are trying to make that happen

Thanks, as always, Virginia for your generous response. 

As I am sure you know, there are project's such as Leonard Witt's "Representative Journalism"  project and the non-profit investigative journalism project Pro Publica that attempt to promote journalism as a social good worthy of public support. Of course, that's also the premise behind the news coverage on NPR and PBS, both of whom rely heavily on government and corporate funding in addition to public donations. 

All of that said, because of the traditional separation between the commercial and editorial sides  of news organizations, most rank and file newspeople are very VERY naive about the business side of the operation. That is part of the panic so many of them feel now.

 

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

 

An interesting post that relates to our
discussion

Liza Sabater wrote about some of the technical challenges she faced blogging the DNC last week, and how the need for sophisticated equipment and broadband access creates barriers for citizen journalists. An excerpt:

Citizen journalism as in on-the-ground reporting and blogging is just
not democratic and easy for the masses. We're so not there yet.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

 

We need more news and blogs not less

first of all - I love this discussion.  It feeds my soul and mind! 

I learn so much from you all.  Kim, you're brilliant.

I wrote a post a few months ago called "Why I Still Read the Paper-Paper: because I love newspapers as much as I love blogs.

I, for one, would pay an extra fee (a nominal one) to forward newspaper articles.  I think this could be a source of revenue.   I've also thought that newspapers should expand their advertising to be affordable for smaller arts groups and non-profits.  I've always thought that if they would broaden their base rather than keep doing what they've always done, they could weather this changing informational age.

The think it is important to have places where we have the range of information that a newspaper generally brings rather than the concentrated viewpoint and information that many blogs keep to. 

We must have general news and culture as well as specific news and culture.  If that makes sense.

blog.candelariasilva.com

Good and plenty!

 

It does make sense, and not only that...

There's a new print on demand service for magazines that might be a model for the kind of thing you are talking about, called MagCloud. A publisher uploads a .pdf of a magazine, and subscribers can buy individual articles, or whole issues for a set rate. It will be interesting to see how it develops. 

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

 

Interesting....

Thanks.

blog.candelariasilva.com

Good and plenty!