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What Expectations Do We Have for Friends vs. Lovers?

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On a recent Saturday night, I agreed to accompany a male friend (I'll refer to him as B-) to a work function. B-'s company was throwing a dinner party at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, and since I'd never been to a fancy party at a museum before, I figured it would be an interesting experience.

It was, indeed, an interesting and fun night. Before the party, we went to the rooftop bar at the W Hotel in D.C. to meet up with B-'s co-worker and his date. Once we got to the museum, we milled around with all the other people wearing black suits and black dresses (seriously, there were very few women wearing dresses with color -- for the record, mine was black as well), and then we ate really good food, had some drinks and danced.

The party started winding down around midnight, and by that point I was tired and ready to go home. However, B- wanted to go out with a few of his co-workers to a club or bar or something. I didn't ask him for specifics, because I didn't feel like going. (B- and I met through an online dating site last fall and went on four or five dates. We've stayed in touch through Facebook since we stopped seeing each other, but we were definitely hanging out that night on a "just friends" basis.)

With absolutely no animosity, I thanked B- for inviting me, told him he was free to continue his evening, and that I would take Metro home (there have been quite a few instances where I've taken Metro by myself late at night, so I wasn't worried about getting home.) B- was fine with this plan. He walked with me to the sidewalk outside the museum, waited while I asked someone for directions to the closest Metro, and then I went on my way.

The only thing that bothered me was that I didn't quite know where I was going. (Usually when I walk to the Metro by myself at night, I'm familiar with the area and know exactly where I'm going.) I knew where I was, and I had a general idea of where I should walk to find the Metro ... but the truth is, I had been drinking, and when I got to the area where I thought the Metro should be and I couldn't find it, I felt pretty frustrated. I ended up asking for directions from a stranger on the street who was able to point out where I needed to go.

(And then, being the nice soul that I am, when B- sent me a text at 3 a.m. asking if he could sleep at my place because he was too drunk to drive home, I walked downstairs to let him into my apartment building and let him sleep on my couch. (Although that was mostly due to the fact that he lives 20 miles outside of town, and I didn't want his life -- or the lives of other drivers -- on my conscience if something happened.)

It wasn't until a few days later -- when I relayed the events of that evening to two of my female co-workers -- that I thought about the situation again. It turns out these ladies were much more appalled at my story than I thought they would be, and they were certainly more appalled than I had been. The first point of contention was that they thought he should have left the party when I did, since I'd agreed to be his date and it was his responsibility to get me safely home. While I understood where they were coming from, I told them I wasn't upset about that. If he'd rather go out with other people, that was his choice.

Their second point of contention was that if he did let me leave without him, he should have at least made sure I got to the Metro safely. When I thought about that, I agreed with them. It certainly would have been the nice thing to do. Especially since I'm quite sure I have a number of male friends who would have insisted they help me locate the Metro before they let me go off by myself.

If B- and I were dating instead of just friends, it would have been a bigger deal that he didn't see me safely to the Metro. But I wasn't in a dangerous area, and I knew he wasn't trying to impress me,

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Bill Cammack 5 pts

Very interesting points, Zandria. :)

First of all, you're mixing terms.  You say you're not dating him and then you say you were his date.  You weren't.  You were accompanying him somewhere just like any other regular person.

Having said that.. As your so-called "friend", he definitely should have done more than he did for you...

The first point of contention was that they thought he should have left the party when I did, since I'd agreed to be his date and it was his responsibility to get me safely home.

The first part isn't true at all.  Since you weren't his "date", part of his evening was meeting chicks.  If you were leaving, seeya.  Peace In The Middle East! :D

The second part is *ABSOLUTELY* true.  Whether he's trying to rap to you or not, he SHOULD be extremely interested in you getting home safely.  I've been in the Manhattan streets at 2am while male friends of mine have been vomiting, talking about "leave me here" and it just doesn't work like that.  The same way you would have felt badly if he would have driven drunk and hurt himself or someone else, *HE* should feel poorly if anything were to happen to YOU on your way home and do his best to make sure you get home safely.  In this particular case, he should have put you in a cab.  He had no obligation to walk you to your door OR stop his evening's festivities because you decided to go home.

Actually, the only time he WOULD have been liable for taking you home is if he had told you explicitly when he invited you out that he was ONLY going to this party.  If he changed plans on the fly, he's ABSOLUTELY liable for putting you back in your house because he flipped the script.

Their second point of contention was that if he did let me leave without him, he should have at least made sure I got to the Metro safely

But I wasn't in a dangerous area, and I knew he wasn't trying to impress me, so that's why I didn't put too much thought into it.

Sorry.. YOU don't get to determine whether an area's dangerous or not.  The people around you determine whether you're in danger or not.  I've been in the exact same place where you were.  The way DC subways work, the only "safe" place to be is right at the turnstyles, where the *ONE* attendant is.  That's not even safe.  It's just that if something happens to you there, someone can call the police for you.  Before you get down those endless escalators and after you go down to the platform, you're COMPLETELY on your own.  Trust me.  I've been there, leaving the mall area in the middle of the night.  Safety's determined by the people that happen to be there at the time.. NOT the location of the stop.

What he SHOULD have done is walk you all the way to the Metro, all the way down the escalator and waited with you right next to the attendant until your train came (Which DC subways inform you of with flashing lights on the edge of the platform) and THEN he should have left AFTER you got safely on the train.  I still say he should have put you in a cab, but if y'all had to go the Metro route, that's the ONLY way to do it.

Also, if we were on a date that night and he expected to see me again, this situation would have been different...

Unfortunately, women expect less from their "friends" than they do from guys they're dating.  Sorry.. If you give a damn about somebody it doesn't have anything to do with whether they're giving you some or not.  Like I said.. I don't leave ANYBODY in the street, male OR female.  People have looked out for me in the past and made sure I got home and that's a courtesy I extend to my friends in reciprocation (not for their own deeds, but for what others have done in the past).

Having said that, I had a similar experience recently, in a way.  A gal I know invited me to a party and told me she wasn't going to stay at the party long.  I told her I'd meet her there.  I hung out with her and we had a good time and then she was ready to leave and I was like "I'll walk you out".  She was like "I can't believe you're not leaving with me" but we were both way too drunk for me to explain to her that there were chicks I wanted to spend more time with at the party so I walked her downstairs to a cab without any explanation AFAIRecall haha :D

The point being that I never agreed to leave when she left.  I agreed to accompany her to the party and we didn't have any plans to hook up or even to go to another party afterwards, so I was a loose cannon.  I wasn't tired and there were attractive chicks at the party so that's where The Kid was staying. :D

Also, since we're on the topic, there's no such thing as "Just Friends".  All that means is that he's not going to actively try to get laid.  If the opportunity arises, he's gonna go for it.  I suspect he could have driven home perfectly well OR stayed with some of the people he was at the party with that you didn't attend and he used the old "Can I stay at your place because I'm too drunk" trick to see what he could come off with.

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Zandria 5 pts

However, his car was parked outside my apartment, so I guess that gave him a greater motivation to want to sleep nearby. Oh, well. It's over and done with now. :)

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Zandria 5 pts

That certainly sounds like the same situation! You're right -- even though we didn't think much about it at the time, it was certainly unimpressive.

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Zandria 5 pts

I didn't even think of the B- thing. No, his real name starts with a B, so I figured I'd attempt to protect his identity.

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midnightbliss 5 pts

asking a lady to be with you for the night means that its your responsibility to make sure she will be home safe. I just don't get it. after he let you go home by yourself, and didn't even bother to text you if you arrived safely, he can still ask you to sleep in your place. he can surely sleep with his friends whom he spent the rest of the night.

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

I was - uh - "hanging out" with a friend in a bar, and when we parted ways he didn't walk me to my car down the street in kind of a deserted L.A. area. Similarly, I didn't think anything of it. Certainly I'm capable of walking to my car, and I walk by myself frequently in L.A. But later - after some friends were appalled - I decided same as you. I didn't really care, but it was certainly unimpressive.

Thankfully, he didn't call.  ;)

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Hey Jen 5 pts

If you named him B- because that's how the date went? It could have been an A if he made sure you got home safely or maybe a B+ if he got you to the Metro safely? 

I agree that he should have made sure you made it to the Metro safely, friends or date, safe area or not...anything can happen. You could have fallen down and broke your ankle. Aliens from outer space could have kidnapped you. WHO KNOWS?!