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This week, I’m hitting the campaign trail. I’m heading back to Virginia and North Carolina, excited to meet lots of people, hear lots of stories, and share Barack’s plans for bringing the change we need to the country we love.

During the past 19 months, I’ve learned that, at its best, “campaigning” is just another word for “talking with people.” And talking with people is something I truly love to do. That’s why, since the beginning of this campaign, I’ve been hosting roundtable discussions—particularly with two groups of people that America doesn’t hear from enough: working mothers and military spouses.

In these conversations, we all get together around a coffee table and just talk—about our kids, our jobs, our dreams—and the hectic, funny, sometimes frustrating, often rewarding realities of our lives.

I’ll be having two roundtable chats this week—one in Richmond, Virginia, and one in Charlotte, North Carolina.

In Virginia, I’ll have a special guest with me: Lilly Ledbetter.

Perhaps some of you may have never heard her name before—but she is right in the middle of a crucial legislative battle that will have an effect on the lives of millions of American women now and for generations to come.

Lilly is from Alabama. For nearly 20 years, she worked for a Goodyear tire plant. She was the only female supervisor—so you know this is a tough, hard-working woman. One day, someone sent her an anonymous letter with a list of salaries of her co-workers. That’s how she found out that she was making less than the men she worked with—even men who were less senior than she was. And we’re not talking about a few dollars. Some of her male counterparts were making 40 percent more than she was—for doing the same work.

Over 20 years, that adds up to a lot of money—money that could have helped Lilly send her kids to college, provide some comfort in her everyday life, or prepare for her retirement.

So Lilly did the brave and difficult thing. She confronted this injustice. Her case went all the way to the Supreme Court. And in a 5-to-4 decision, the Supreme Court ruled that, according to the law, Lilly only had 180 days to complain about the pay discrimination. So because it had taken her 20 years to find out the truth, she had missed her chance at justice.

Well, some people in Congress decided to change that law, so it would no longer reward employers for hiding discrimination until they ran out the clock. Last July, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act passed the House. But this April, Republicans in the Senate blocked it. Now, Democrats in the Senate are working to bring Lilly’s bill back for another vote this fall.

My husband is a proud supporter of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

Senator McCain does not support it. In fact, Senator McCain said that what women really need is more education and training.

But Lilly Ledbetter had plenty of training. What she doesn’t have is the right to fight for the pay she deserves.

Pay equity is a major issue at stake in this election. Today, across the country, women are paid only 77 cents for every dollar a man earns, and minority women are paid even less for equal work. This isn’t only an economic issue. This is a family issue. When women are paid less than men, their kids pay the price.

Pay equity is just one example of how times are tough for American families. Parents are working harder than ever to do it all—raise their kids, pay the bills, help out their parents, and keep up with the rising cost of living. Caring for their families is their greatest joy—but it’s getting harder to make ends meet.
Barack understands this. And he’s committed to restoring the middle class.

Under the Obama economic plan, 95 percent of middle-class families would receive a tax cut. And because so many people are struggling with the rising cost of energy, Barack would provide a $1,000 emergency energy rebate to working families.

Barack would also fight to establish pay equity for women and expand family leave—because today, over 22 million working women don’t have a single paid sick day.

Finding ways to better support America’s families is

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Miss Confused 5 pts

Obama Pays Women Only 78 Percent of What He Pays Men
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx...
“Women occupy seven of the top 10 highest-paid positions on McCain’s staff, and five of the top 10 highest-paid positions on Obama’s staff.”
Obama’s staff: 30 women to 27 men

McCain’s staff: 26 women to 16 men

annielives 5 pts

If Hillary and Bill Clinton, as well as Barack Obama, have stated that Hillary did not want to be vetted and was not interested in the Vice-Presidency -- why do you think his choice was sexist? She said flat out she did not WANT VP, but if he asked she would run because of a sense of duty. I could see your opinion of Obama lying, but are you saying that your VP choice is a liar, because I find that odd.

Paddycake 5 pts

Please Ladies open your eyes. Together we watched Obama discriminate against a women that was more qualified, more deserving of an executive position when he choose his VP. Equal pay, equal rights c'mon as usaul we are being pandered to. We are smarter than this, it is time we open our eyes and see the writing on the wall. Action speaks louder than words. I'm gonna vote for McCain not because I think he will push the equal pay (which now he just might) but because I expect more from democrats and they need to learn that they cannot pander to us, they must earn our vote. And when Obama did not choose Hillary he lost my vote.

Tacomamama 5 pts

 So when you make head-to-head comparisons, it more-or-less seems that
it's pretty good on pay equality, but when you look at the staff as a
whole, it is male-heavy at the top.

I think that is fair to say. And I do think it's important to hold progressive leaders' feet to the fire and make sure they walk the walk on issues like this. 

But, I still want to see the Lilly Ledbetter Equal Pay Act passed!  I haven't heard anything from the McCain campaign on this issue.

Tacoma Mama ( http://www.tacomamama.com )

Kitchen Table Issues ( http://kitchentablemama.blogspot.com/ )

annielives 5 pts

Thanks for taking the time to give it further review. I think you are right to say that his staff is male heavy at the top. In that case, is it that he preferred men in those roles, or that his HR candidate did, or that more men applied or were qualified for the positions in question? I don't have the answers to that.

Where I used to work, there were 12 employees. Between 2-4 were women, depending on the sales staff, which had a high turnover. It would seem that we chose to hire men more often. However, I do know that the number of female applicants compared to men was about one for every fifty. That may or may not be the case here.

I have no idea why the upper end is male heavy, but it does seem that when apples compare to apples, he has shown fair equity practices. Though it might be PC to have exactly the same ratio of men to women at every level in every company, the truth is that in adhering to those strict criteria, the most qualified candidate would sometimes be overlooked for the most balancing criteria of the day.

Thank you for the friendly and educated discussion. :)
Annie

InCville 5 pts

Hi, I'm just about to send you that spreadsheet so you can take a look.  Of note, when I initially computed my figures, I'd mistakenly labeled a couple of women as men, since I'd just quickly looked at names.  I've since changed it, but it didn't really change what I'd said earlier.

You are quite right, though, about some of the variances and their causes between men and women with the same position.  I've talked about this a bit with a friend of mine and she has friends who work up in Capitol Hill and apparently it's very common for people with longevity to get paid more, and she looked up some of the staff and that does seem to be the case.

So, taking a step back, if you look at Sen. Obama's staff, in positions where you have multiple people, and a mix of men and women, it seems as though pay is fairly balanced out.  However, if you look at the staff as a whole, the appearance of a marked pay discrepancy exists.  Here's what I mean:

His staff has 26 men and 32 women (45% male).  But, if you rank them based solely on avg. monthly pay, and look at the top 24/58 (or the top 40%), what you see is that it is 15 men and 9 women (63% male). Or, put another way, 58% of all the men on his staff are in the top 40% pay-wise, whereas only 28% of the women are.

So when you make head-to-head comparisons, it more-or-less seems that it's pretty good on pay equality, but when you look at the staff as a whole, it is male-heavy at the top. 

annielives 5 pts

I would love to see the spreadsheet, to see if I did mine the right way! annielives@aim.com

The reason I used 2007 data was because I wanted a full fiscal year for more thorough processing. I understand that there is disparity in the salaries, so let me readdress the situation.

I noticed that in some cases women make less and in some cases women make more, therefore I did not see it as merely a gender issue.

The two things that data cannot tell you are: if in the two 112% cases, the women have worked for Obama longer, or began with a more experienced work history or educational background AND if the four that were at the 90% you mentioned were newer, less educated, less experienced or carried less responsiblity.

I manage a sales staff of varying wage. It comes with both genders, different salesmanship and varied backgrounds. I assign some salespeople with more responsiblity (such as ordering product) and some with less. Their titles are the same.

My point is not that discrepancies don't occur or were not visible in my data, but that (even pulling one job title above) the variance showed women and men were varied overall. I think that is to be expected in any workplace. In fact, if all "legislative consultants" made $3600 a month, for example, I would question that. All of them? Did they all start on the same day? Does he not offer raises annually?

I'm afraid if they were the same, someone would have reviewed the data and said that recently hired men were making the same wage that women had made who had been there two years.

My final point is that I was satisfied that the female wage was not always lower across the board and saw a normal degree of variance. Other than that, the Legistorm data is simply not enough to use for basing any conclusions as the other variables are not addressed by Legistorm: education, background, capacity for extra responsibilities, and duration of employment. We are all truly hindered without more information.

Annie

InCville 5 pts

Hello, I will admit that I'm weighing into this a little late, but I too have just entered all of the data from legistorm and it does show a disparity. Also, I used the Oct07-Mar08 data, because it is more recent, but may be different from the FY07 numbers. I also converted everything to a monthly salary, so that it wouldn't be extrapolating. Anyway, here it goes:

On his staff, Sen. Obama has 30 women and 28 men. Taken as a group, the
average monthly salary for the women is $3734 and the average salary
for men is $4569, or the women make 81% of what the men make. So, keep
in mind, to make an "apples to apples" comparison, when Michele Obama
talks about how women only make $0.77 for every dollar a white man
makes she's using US Census data that lumps all women together, so in
that context, a number-to-number comparison with Obama is valid and as
such, Obama doesn't do much better with his staff.

However, a further examination of the numbers sheds a little more light:
There are six groups where multiple people have the same "position" and that at least allows for some comparison.
For the constituent services agent (2male/2female), avg. male salary $3297; avg. female salary $2667 (80.9%)
For the legislative assistant (5male/1female), avg. male salary $6192; female salary $6917 (111.7%)
For the legislative correspondent (2male/2female), avg. male salary $2683; avg. female salary $3000 (111.8%).
For the legislative counsel (1male/1female); male salary $7833; female salary $6917 (88.3%).
For the special assistant (1male/2females); male salary $3015; avg. female salary $2806 (93.0%).
For the staff assistant (3male/6females); avg. male salary $2556; avg. female salary $2244 (87.8%).

So, in 4 out of 6 cases where you have both men and women with the
same position, the women make less, about $0.90 for every dollar a man
makes. In the other 2 cases they make $1.12 for every dollar a man
makes.

Additionally, you have some skewing at the top and bottom of the
payroll. Sen. Obama pays 6 people more than $7000 per month, 4 are men and
2 are women.
If you look at the next bracket, ($5000 to $7000 per month) it's a better distribution with 5 men and 6 women.
Also, if you look at the bottom the payroll (<$3000 per month), you
also see the discrepancy with 7(maybe 10) men and 15 women.

And I will admit that there are three men who have reported salaries that appear to be out of the same time period, and they weren't included in this analysis, but their salaries were less than $3000 per month (hence why it could be 10).

If you would like to see a copy of my spreadsheet, I would be more than glad to send it to you!

judithL 5 pts

 First, let me say how grateful I am for the intelligent, diligent women here at Blogher - women who research and speak to the facts, and doing their best to stay out of the mud.

I don't know if Michelle can find the time to check the responses to her blogs, but I do hope that the facts as presented here, regarding pay equity on Obama's staff will be relayed to the leaders of both parties - but especially the Dems.  Just two nights ago, on Larry King, a Republica commentator spewed the misinformation about women on Obama's staff being paid less.  I was astounded when neither of the Democratic commentators had the facts at hand to dispute this totally false claim.

I'll tell you, it's a bit of a challenge for me to retain facts but I am going to commit to memory some of these important statistics so that I will have them at the ready when anyone parrots the false information being put out there.

Remember, life is a journey, not a destination. Here's to Living Well! www.themadgoddess.blogspot.com ( http://www.themadgoddess.blogspot.com/ ) & www.lwbms.blogspot.com ( http://www.lwbms.blogspot.com/ )

NewUrbanMom 5 pts

TM - thank you, thank you, thank you.  You clarify and educate at the same time. It just baffles me that when "some folks" attend an Ivy League School and provide "ballet lessons" for their kids it's elitism but when others enjoy a similar lifestyle as a result of their blood line or millionaire status that's okay - heck it's true Americana....Hmmm

Sharon

Rachel09 5 pts

I think that Michelle Obama did a good thing by writing this article, I believe that woman should be treated equally in the workplace. So they should be getting equal pay.

miteegirl 5 pts

CBS did not "break" that story.  If you follow your own link, you will notice that it is in the "Opinion" section (not news) and was written by a right wing pundit named Deroy Murdock who writes for the National Review ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review ), a magazine for conservative commentary (again, not news).

 Because if Deroy Murdock was a journalist who had done his homework, he couldn't have written this opinion piece.  As it is, Deroy Murdock is a a public relations representative who works for the Republicans and has no bipartisan credibility.

And if you think the hackers of 4chan works for ANYONE but themselves, then you don't know much about that group.  I think the hacking of anyone's email is pretty heinous and so do many people no matter who they are voting for in November.

vpavlot 5 pts

*grin*

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said above.

The McCain family can't remember how many homes they own - the Obama family has 1.

If I were in the public eye as much as they are, my children would go to private schools, too, where they would/could be more protected from any sort of attack.

If I had the opportunity, you bet I'd have gone to an Ivy League school.

Does it make me an elitist to wish these things? No, I guess in your eyes, Moonpie, it would only be so if I'd actually gone.

Open your eyes, Moonpie. Go do some actual research. Not the kind they post on Republican blogs or editorials. Not McCain's website.

And Palin, well, she scares the hell out of me. Go read about her, too, while you're out there.

Liz Henry 5 pts

 Tacoma Mama, I'm sending you huge waves of respect for your patience and your careful research. Thanks!

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Tacomamama 5 pts

Cindy McCain is not out there on the campaign trail citing her
experiences and qualifications as a reason to vote for her husband. 

Yes, she is.  I watched the Republican National Convention and saw the rather long piece on Cindy McCain, in which her experiences and qualifications were presented as a reason to vote for her husband.  One of the reasons why you don't hear too much about her work with charities is because her reputation was tarnished when she admitted (on national television) to stealing drugs from her own medical charity to fuel her addiction.  Addiction is a personal tragedy, of course, but it did happen and to discuss her record of charitable accomplishments as if it didn't is misleading.

 I didn't see any discussion when Michelle Obama spoke before a group of
working women in Zanesville, OH and whined to them about how rough her
life is, what with trying to get together the scratch for ballet and
piano lessons, and paying off her debts for her Ivy League education. 
She showed herself to be an elitist and woefully out of touch with the
issues of lower income working women.

Really?  Because you know that Cindy McCain is a beer heiress, right?  I'm not trying to come down on Cindy McCain, I really don't think her wealth is relevant at all, but if you are going to criticize Michelle Obama for being upper middle class I think it's only fair to point out that Cindy McCain is in the top one or two percent for personal wealth.  I don't think that makes her a bad person, any more than an ivy league student loan makes Michele Obama an out of touch elitist.  

 I can also pick out a phony quite easily.

I don't know if I have this kind of psychic power, but Maya Angelou said "If someone shows you who they are, believe them."  McCain has shown us that he does not support equal pay, in the clearest possible way, by voting against the Equal Pay Act.  He has also shown us that he does not support our privacy rights, wants to dismantle social security, and has flat out stated that he doesn't know very much about the economy and finds it easy to become alienated from the concerns of the average American.  I don't have to try to "spot" his positions on these things, because they are a matter of record.

Tacoma Mama ( http://www.tacomamama.com )

sandiegodan 5 pts

What we have seen in this campaign, is a dangerous reluctance to "call it like it is" in regard to the coordinated Lee Atwater hit squads deployed by republican operatives.

Using "misleading" when what we need is LYING, is not helpful.

If you catch them lying, say so.  It is an important word, with a rich history, particularly with republicans.  If they deserve it, say it.

thanks for listening!

dan

sandiegodan 5 pts

My father, a retired Army Colonel, is appalled by the Bush administration's lack of real care for our service men and women, but particularly appalled by the shameful treatment of our veterans.

For  "moonpie" to attack Ms. Obama in such a partisan and hateful manner is one of the most shamefulmoments I have had to endure.

We Americans know that We The People were bamboozled into this war, and I could understand if "moonpie" were angry over her family's also being shamefully snookered.  That you would take out your justifiable rage over Bush lies and scapegoating, only tells us one thing:

You, ma'am, have no shame.

We The People are taking this wonderful country back from the liars and bigots, and We are proud, and  happy to be a part of the change from idiocy to sanity.  It is high time.

Keep on keepin' on, Ms. Obama!

ObamaHatesWomen 5 pts

You're the one misleading people.

CBS already broke this story.

In addition to being a sexist and employer of e-mail thieves, Obama's a HYPOCRITE:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/12/opinion/...

Moonpie 5 pts

Why is Michelle Obama's track record important?  Because both she and her husband continue to tout their track records in community organization/development as part of their accomplishments.  Therefore, it is very important.

Cindy McCain's track record with HALO and Operation Smile is well documented.  Sales in her company have grown since she took over the company after her father's death.  However, Cindy McCain is not out there on the campaign trail citing her experiences and qualifications as a reason to vote for her husband.  Michelle Obama is, so she opens the door to HER abilities and experiences.  

One of the criticisms about both Obamas that is sticking, is that they talk a good story, but are very evasive about real world results.  Obama likes to go on about how smart he is, but refuses to release his transcripts to verify this statement.  What is he afraid of?

I didn't see any discussion when Michelle Obama spoke before a group of working women in Zanesville, OH and whined to them about how rough her life is, what with trying to get together the scratch for ballet and piano lessons, and paying off her debts for her Ivy League education.  She showed herself to be an elitist and woefully out of touch with the issues of lower income working women.  I listened to her and was offended.  Likewise, when she sneered about the rebate checks that were an attempt to stimulate the economy -- that all they were good for would be to buy a pair of "nice earrings".  This is someone who "speaks" for women?  Give me a break.

And yes, I am a woman who has been a trailblazer in my fields of engineering and aviation.  I have faced gender discrimination and misogyny in the workplace.  And I can also pick out a phony quite easily.

Women are fooling themselves if they believe in the image that the Obamas are trying to present.  Unwrap the package and really discover what's underneath the pretty giftwrapping.  Some of my friends have said Obama seems to be "too good to be true".  Well, that's because he is.  Once you get past the carefully constructed image, the core is rotten.

annielives 5 pts

Legistorm has implied here ( http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LmxlZ2lzdG... )that the data found on Scripp’s ( http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmh1bWFuZX... ) is not necessarily accurate, only that the data came from their site.

This person, Deroy Murdoch, averaged all female salaries, and all male salaries and found that overall - the males slightly over-averaged the females. His complaint was that Obama did not practice the fair pay equity he promoted.

What his conclusion suggested to me was not that Obama pays women less for equal work, but that he has allowed more women in all levels of his full time and part time staff than did McCain.

So.... I have personally fact checked the entire payroll of all Obama’s staff for the fiscal year 2007 and input all of the data into a raw spreadsheet to see for myself.

What I found was that Obama’s female staff that did the same job title as his male staff were paid equally on every occassion. I would be happy to email you the raw spreadsheet and calculation, if you would like to verify it for yourself.

Keep in mind, that not every employee was hired for twelve months. I, therefore, took the fiscal salary and divided it by months worked for Obama’s staff, so that the totals would all be representative. Here is just one job position, Legistlative Correspondent, from my 281 page spreadsheet, and the relative data...

Position.......................Payee Name...............Gender...........Monthly Income
Legisltv Correspondent...DuBois, Joshua P...........M.........$2, 516.67
Legisltv Correspondent...Bauer, Nicholas T...........M.........$3, 020.00
Legisltv Correspondent...Chhabra, Anand.............M.........$2, 692.06
Legisltv Correspondent...Fisher, Alyssa D.............F.........$3, 619.31
Legisltv Correspondent...Kruglik, Harry J..............M.........$3, 632.49
Legisltv Correspondent...Linton, Mark A..............M.........$3, 395.82
Legisltv Correspondent... Mehra, Amrit H.............M.........$3, 022.21
Legisltv Correspondent...Montgomery, Kenita T.....F......... $2, 650.49
Legisltv Correspondent...Nowinski, Juleigh M.........F......... $2, 682.35
Legisltv Correspondent...Olson, Elizabeth H..........F........ $3, 399.99

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herrick 5 pts

I've read all these sites. Obama does not pay female and male staffers differently for the same job. These articles are absolutely MISLEADING. McCain has hired some women in his top staff positions so they naturally get paid higher salaries. But paying a few women more does not mean caring for pay equity.

McCain is against equal pay. He votes against it. He does not support women.

Obama does. 

please stop trying to mislead people

vpavlot 5 pts

See your actual, verifiable results that positively impacted the quality of life for residents in your catchment area?

I worked in nursing homes for years - I can assure you I touched the lives of people every single day.  I positively impacted at least 40 people, and their families, every single day they were in my care.

Could I get you a list of actual, verifiable results?  Probably not, as most of the wonderful people I cared for during those last months/years of their lives have moved on to their final resting place.

I personally worked with a team of 5 people 2 years ago to anonymously donate an entire household full of furniture, toys, money, groceries, appliances, clothing, bedding and much more to a family who had been struck down by so many horrific life changes that they literally had nothing.  Do I know this family's name? No. Do they know mine? Probably not.  Do you think I positively impacted their life, and my own by doing this?  Absolutely.

My point is - we all have positively impacted the quality of life for at least 1 person in our lives.  Why does anyone need to offer proof?

Tacomamama 5 pts

I should show my husband this thread next time he asks me what on earth I did all day yesterday.

When he asks me what I did today I would like to tell him I started a civil debate about McCain's economic plan ( http://www.blogher.com/come-sit-my-kitchen-table-p... ). 

Edited to say:  Maybe they are working on a researched response, it was kind of a long post.  So tonight or tomorrow I'm thinking maybe somebody will have something to say.

I'm waiting, and I'd love to talk.

Tacoma Mama ( http://www.tacomamama.com )

vpavlot 5 pts

Do editorials make for legitimate news sources?

Do your research - ALL OF YOU. Sit here and read, but then go check your own facts.  Do it on every single piece of information you receive.

I love to read these blogs, I love the differing opinions from so many people - but I also like to take those ideals, those suggestions and do my own research.

You are right, you might all be surprised when you start reading actual legistation records, actual fact checking websites - not editorials posted.

Actions speak louder than words. Go read. Read for yourself and because it's important for this country, and the people who live and work in it, for you to make the right choice for YOU.  Not because NBC said so.  Not because Palin is a good mom.  Not because McCain fought in the war.  Not even because Barack has made promises he might not be able to keep.

Do your own homework.

I'm an Obama supporter and I am so because I've read the truth of who I believe this man to be - not who the media and the McCain supporters tell me he is.

ayburke 5 pts

Thank you Michelle for the sacrifices you and your family are making to help make this country better.  I am definitely an Obama supporter and think that he represents the most honest, intelligent and inclusive approach to governing. His opponents ads and rally rhetoric is missleading and full of blantant lies. It makes me sick to my stomach. I'm praying people wake up and think honestly about the issues.  If they do they can't do anything but vote Democratic this fall.  The Republicans especially the Bush administration are largely responsible for the economic crisis we are in and they are definitely responsible for the war.  Why is the American public so enamored with "D" students who flunked out or graduated at the bottom of their classes.  Frankly I want someone a lot smarter than me in charge of the country!

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RightistWrongs.com 5 pts

Thank you Michelle for bringing our attention to this very important issue. I spent 15 years in the nuclear industry and I was well aware that my pay was a fraction of that of my (all male) peers. But for some reason, I was just thankful to be the only woman at that top level of the organization. The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act will help ensure the new generation doesn't get stuck in that mindset.

How clearly things can be seen in the rearview mirror. I wish I would have had this perspective at the time. But now I'm a republican voting for Obama.

Tina Righter

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miteegirl 5 pts

Tacoma Mama, breaking out the stats!  Look at you go, Research Regina!

Nordette Adams 6 pts

Thank you for blogging at BlogHer again, Michelle. It's always good to hear from you. You will make an exceptional First Lady and a great voice for Equal Pay.

On a lighter note, my daughter, age 26, opened a layout of you in the September issue of Essence Magazine ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story... ) (I think) and looking at picture of you, she ran to me and said, "Mom. It's not fair! Look at her legs!" We were in Memphis at an Aunt's house after evacuating Louisiana during Gustav ( http://www.blogher.com/hurricane-season-peace-afte... ), and I think it was a shot of you in pants looking rather leggy.

I lauhged at her faux outrage because we've had our mother-daughter talks on body image enough, and she knows she should accept her great but shorter legs. I could tell by her eyes she was not really jealous but impressed that you looked so stylish and that you're someone she's proud to see in the spotlight.

She also, however, has a lot to say on the issues too, and I think she'll be reading up on equal pay beginning with your post here.

Last edit: The more I think about it and after checking around, I think that may have been Ebony magazine ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com/2008/09/michelle-obama... ) that had the great layout.

Nordette ( http://blogher.org/blog/nordette ) is a Contributing Editor with BlogHer.com whose personal blog is hosted on another site at this link ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com ). Her most recent post at her personal blog at the time of this comment is "Political Satire: McCain's Bus Driver Speaks Out ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com/2008/09/political-sati... )."

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Thank you for chasing down the information. I'm tired of this particular stat regarding Obama, women, and campaign pay being tossed around but not explored honestly.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

I didn't respond to Anne's comment when I read it earlier, but I considered the same type of information you have, that without knowing specifics, the data can't be analyzed accurately.

Barack Obama has attracted mobs of young professionals to his campaign. I know of one personally who's highly accomplished and who gave up her regular job as a communications strategist for a while to go work for the Obama campaign. She's accomplished, but she's only 26 years old, and very passionate in her belief that Obama's the right man at the right time for this country.

Age frequently influences pay rate because no matter how great you are at your job, you're unlikely to have as many years experience as another person in the office who has the same job. Experience in terms of years, not specific projects, is a factor considered in determining pay rate. Does McCain have lots of young female staffers and if so how do their pay rates stack up against older male staffers? The only fair comparison is apples to apples and oranges to organges in terms of experience and job title.

The problem with stats is if you don't know the details you can draw faulty conclusions about cause and effect of correlations, which is what I think many conservatives who claim to be concerned about equal pay for women have done with the Obama figures.

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judithL 5 pts

 Thank you, Michelle for this post and for speaking to such an important issue.  I am a middle aged woman who made the choice to be a full time mom when my children were at home.  I now work part-time for a non-profit.  Recently, my husband was diagnosed with disabling heart disease.  Surgical intervention (by-pass) is not an option as his blockages are systematic, meanign there are no good sections of arteries to which a by-pass can connect.  I only go into this detail to assure those reading that we have exhausted all options.

My job with the non-profit requires a high skill level so I receive a better than average wage.  I do not receive any benefits, most notably, healthcare coverage.  My husband has lost his health care as he hasn't been able to work for the past 9 months.

We live in a very economically challenged area of the country.  Our unemployment rates are consistantly above the national average.  In the past nine months, I have not been able to find a full time job opportunity in my field.  In fact, it is common practice in this area to split jobs into two part-time positions to avoid paying benefits.  My only opportunities for full time employment would be as general office support - at half the wage I now earn.  As a woman, I cannot replace my husband's lost income.  

Please continue your fight for equal pay for women, continue your fight for creating strong families to build a strong America and continue speaking up and speaking out. 

Remember, life is a journey, not a destination. Here's to Living Well! www.themadgoddess.blogspot.com ( http://www.themadgoddess.blogspot.com/ ) & www.lwbms.blogspot.com ( http://www.lwbms.blogspot.com/ )

AzulFlorencia 5 pts

I am so glad the Obama campaign is talking real woman’s issues.  I am sure I am not the only one that finds it interesting to now hear all these Republican leaders use the word "sexism" in almost every other sentence.  I do not think they knew how to pronounce the word up until two weeks ago.  I think up till then they thought "sexism" was a sexual position.  How things can shift in just a blink of an eye.  

I trust that the party and candidates who have been pronouncing the word "sexism" and working towards its elimination for years and decades will succeed in the November elections.  In gratitude to all those who have been pounding open the doors for our daughters to walk through.

craftyncer 5 pts

I am so hoping I get to see her while she is here NC.

Karen Susan 5 pts

Michelle Obama's blog was great and highlights  a very important subject, equal pay for women.  She is going to be a fantastic First Lady! 

L16 5 pts

Tacoma Mama, you rock and are totally doing your bit. Keep it up!

Tacomamama 5 pts

The new GI bill.  Senator McCain didn't even vote.  

Actually, according to Project Vote Smart ( http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_i... ), McCain hasn't voted on the last 5 defense-related measures, meaning none in 2008. 

Also, Senator McCain voted against minimum rest periods between deployments, a measure which Senator Obama supported and voted for.

Edited to add:  Additionally, Barack Obama voted for the Additional Funding for Veterans Amendment and the  Health Care for Veterans amendment, in 2005.  McCain voted against both of these measures, which failed to pass.  I can find no instances in which McCain voted for anything which would benefit military families.

Could you please tell me what specifically you are referring to?

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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

I love LegiStorm - but people can really abuse the info in there.  Thanks for putting some specifics to what's being asserted.

Jill
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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Have you requested this information from Cindy McCain?

Jill
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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

...that also talks about state of illinois hiring practices and Obama campaign differences

If I can get my preschooler off my lap long enough, I might find it before the end of this century.

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Tacomamama 5 pts

In all but one instance, female staffers make as much as or more than their male counterparts when they hold the same job title.  For more information, see my detailed comment below.  ( http://www.blogher.com/fighting-equal-pay#comment-... )

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Tacomamama 5 pts

Female staffers make as much as or more than their male counterparts when they hold the same job title, in all but one instance.  For more information, see my detailed comment below. ( http://www.blogher.com/fighting-equal-pay#comment-... )

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Tacomamama 5 pts

Several commenters posted allegations that Barack Obama does not pay his female staffers as much as his male staffers, supposedly in contrast to a better record from Senator McCain.  

I fact checked this, using the original source of the information, Legistorm. ( http://www.blogher.com/%22Next%20up,%20is%20the%20KKK%20just%20some%20good%20ol%27%20boys?%22 )

Looking at instances in which women had the same job titles as men, and lining them up side by side, I found that in all but one circumstance women made as much as or more than their male counterparts. I have no idea why one legislative counsel makes less than the other, but I don't know how much experience either has.

Legistorm actually posted a response to the McCain campain's allegations, which you can read here ( http://www.legistorm.com/blog/obama-s-alleged-pay-... ), basically saying that it didn't appear they took job titles, duties, or experience into account.  

So while I suppose you could say it isn't exactly a lie, I would characterise it as "truthiness" - the sort of research that would get you a "D" on a social studies paper.

In the interest of complete transparency, here is the breakdown (again, I only included jobs where men and women had the same titles, and I assumed gender basd on names.)

Name            Title            Salary

Henry Atkinson    (m)    Leg Assistant        $41,499.96
Adam Cohn (m)        Leg Assistant        $20,288.86 (hired mid year)
Dora Hughes (f)        Leg Assistant        $41,499.96
Daniel Sepulveda (m)    Leg Assistant        $41,499.96
Edward Ramos    (m)    Leg assistant        $13,597.18 (hired later)
Steven Robninson (m)    Leg Assitant        $34,999.92

Rachana Bhowmik(f)    Leg Counsel        $41,499.96
Ian Solomon (m)        Leg Counsel        $46,999.92

Kathy Harrington (f)    Depty Downst Dir (admin)$22,250.00
Robert Stephan (m)    Depty Downst Dir (outr)    $22,083.32

Colvin, Nicholas(m)    special assistant    $18,091.27
Joan Currie-Leonard(f)    special assistant    $18,999.96

cindy Dorsey    (f)    Staff Assistant        $9,097.59
Indir Henard (f)    Staff Assistant        $13,999.92
Vianca Monet Dyer (f)    staff assistant        $14,040.30
Jason P Nerad (m)    Staff Assistant        $13,999.92
Eric Person (m)        Staff Assistant        $13,999.92
Jefferey Stephens (m)    Staff Assistant        $18,000.00
Ashley Tate-Gilmore (f) Staff Assis/depty sched    $18,499.92

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MurielMercurial 5 pts

This is why I support Barack Obama.

Of course women need more education and training, but so do men. 

BloggerQueen 5 pts

... women do need more education and training.  But how are we going to pay for our daughters' educations if we're not getting paid a fair wage? 

Did you know that Once Upon a Time, all bank tellers were men?  They supported their families on their salaries and it was a highly respected career.  That is, until women started working the teller positions, then the salaries dropped and so did the respect for that career.  This was before automation, by the way.  It was a case of "uh oh, look who's moved into the neighborhood, dear."

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Southerngirl 5 pts

First let me say thank you for the post.  As a woman who has worked in a male dominated indutry for the last 20 yrs I know about the inequity of pay.  We are given all kinds of reasons for it and sometimes just simply told salaries are off limits for discussions.  I find this to be a very important issue.  How can I get in on the North Carolina event? 

Michelle

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Tacomamama 5 pts

So I went ahead and looked up his record.  Not his record amongst his personal staff, but you know, the legislative one that effects the entire country.

In April of this year, rather than being in Washington DC to vote for cloture on the Equal Pay Act, he campaigned in New Orleans, telling ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/23/mccain-op... ) supporters there that he did not support the bill, because it would result in law suits.  (Law suits generally being the mechanism in our country for enforcing non-discrimination laws, yes.)

Although a majority of the senate did vote for cloture, the bill never moved forward to a vote because cloture (putting an end to a fillibuster or other obstruction) requires a 3 fifths majority.

I don't know how Senator McCain suggests we enforce equal pay laws if not through law suits, but maybe some of his supporters can enlighten us.

More on his non-vote from Project Vote Smart ( http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?... )

Barack Obama's yes vote ( http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?... )

Also see Senator Barack Obama's yes vote on the GI Bill and unemployment extension ( http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?... )

And Senator John McCain's non-vote. ( http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?... )

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miteegirl 5 pts

Okay, Anne.  Enlighten us.  What is McCain's record on this again?

A Diva Would Never 5 pts

Michelle,

Thanks for sharing a story that many women need to hear about!

Moonpie 5 pts

When I was home in VA last week, and a college kid was trying to pitch to me that I needed to vote for Obama, because he would guarantee our family would get a $1000 check! 

At first I tried to patiently explain basic economics to this young person, but then had to stop before I burst out laughing at the preposterousness of his position and the ridiculousness of the official talking points.  If all fails, always fall back on classic class wars, right?

Even he admitted, "Yeah, the talking points are pretty lame" before he left for the next house....