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Kevin Smith and Flying While Fat

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“Hey SouthwestAir: you bring that same row of seats to the ‘Daily Show’ and I’ll sit in ‘em for all to see on TV ... If I don’t fit, I’ll donate $10K to charity of your choice. But when I do (& buckle the belt as well)? 1) You admit you lied. 2) Change your policy, or at least re-train your staff to be a lot more human and a lot less corporate.”-- PopCrunch

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Missed the flap? Gawker grabbed the pertinient stuff from Smith's Twitter stream, including this gem.

Hey @SouthwestAir! I've landed in Burbank. Don't worry: wall of the plane was opened & I was airlifted out while Richard Simmons supervised.

And Southwest's response is here. Southwest has long had the unfortunately named "Customers of Size" policy.

You've read about these situations before. Southwest instituted our Customer of Size policy more than 25 years ago. The policy requires passengers that can not fit safely and comfortably in one seat to purchase an additional seat while traveling.

Perhaps the best take I've seen on the whole mess comes from Backpacking Dad. [Read the whole post for the hilarious babies in a bar analogy.]

Someone has decided that airplanes shouldn’t carry seats that are large enough to accommodate passengers above an arbitrary size limit. Someone made that choice. They may not have been thinking “Screw you, fatties!” when they did it, and in fact they probably just thought “More customers!!” But we are allowed to ask if the airlines are doing the right thing in addition to asking if they are doing the profitable thing.

I also really like Roaming Tales' letter to the airlines. [Again, read the whole thing.]

If you were truly concerned about my comfort, then you would also ban tall people (who can take up just as much space without being fat), men who spread their legs, children who kick the back of the seat, screaming babies, people who recline the seat when I’m eating my meal, people who complain about me reclining the seat when the meal service is over, people who blind me by opening the window shades at the wrong time, and people with excessive flatulence.

I'm going to editorialize for a minute. Airline seats are too small. I'm 5'2" and while certainly I could drop a little weight, I'm not obese. And I think airplane seats are too small. A tall person who's nowhere near overweight but is over six feet certainly finds the legroom challenging. And I took a flight recently where I could not stop ogling (I'm only human) the strapping athlete in the bulkhead row. A picture of fitness (my, my), and really too big for a coach seat. That human wasn't too big, the seat was too small.

Some respondents to the poll said it was airlines' responsibility to make seats for all shapes and sizes of passengers while others suggested that the charge should be calculated on the weight of the passenger plus their luggage. -- Airwise

There are no elegant solutions to this issue. Airlines are continually cramming additional seats into cabin configurations in pursuit of additional income. Sadly, it almost always turns into an "attack the fat guy" debate -- which, in additional to being insensitive, is beside the point and doesn't address the case at hand: A person is deemed too large for the flight, now, today, this minute. If this kind of screening is going to happen, I'm wondering why it doesn't happen discretely at the gate or at the ticket purchase point. Though I have to admit, the idea of seeing an option checkbox that says "I'm Fat" [Yes/No] or having to enter your weight when buying a ticket online leaves me cold.

Changing how we pay for airfare could improve the lives of everyone who travels by air. Let me propose one big improvement. Instead of the flat per-seat fare (plus extra fees for checked baggage), charge each passenger for the total weight he/she contributes to the weight of the plane. That's body weight plus luggage weight. -- This Young Economist

What's the solution? I don't know. Charging by weight penalizes passengers like that stunning athlete while not providing any additional space. Requiring a

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justlinda 10 pts

Great and thoughtful summary.  I also BLOGGED ( http://justlinda.net/blog/?p=533 ) about this topic and said some similar things to what you quoted from Roaming Tales' blog.  If we are this concerned about fellow-passenger comfort when it comes to overweight passengers, then why does fellow-passenger comfort seem to go out the window regarding other aspects of flight - unruly children, crying babies, pets, and more.  CATS, for goodness sake - I'm VERY allergic and have asthma.  But sometimes I have no choice but to sit next to someone with a little cat in a carrier under the seat. 

Anyway, you're right that there is no elegant solution here.  But SWA owes Mr. Smith an apology for their spin and outright lies.

JustLinda fabulously imperfect Nothing to See Here... Just Linda ( http://justlinda.net )

Arrietty 5 pts

Thanks for the thoughtful post and the link to my blog.

If people do want to vote with their wallet then Seat Guru ( http://www.seatguru.com/ ) has awesome comparison charts comparing the size of airline seats and other amenites.

Also, this is more for international flights, but here's an airline going the other way. Qantas is reconfiguring its cabin to fit more seats ( http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/extra-seats-won... ) onto the plane. Sounds like bad news? It's not - they're achieving this by getting rid of first class cabins on all but two routes, and they're actually going to make economy seats wider! Sounds good to me.

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Caitlin Fitzsimmons

RoamingTales ( http://www.roamingtales.com )

Melissa Ford 5 pts

I agree that it's my choice to buy the ticket and if I'm going to fly with them, I need to play by their rules regardless of what I think of those rules.  But saying that, I think passangers should vote with their wallet.  I think the airline seats are penny wise and pound foolish in the sense that the airline that starts creating normal seats (and I agree--I'm the size of an average 10 year old and I think the seats are small) is going to get the business.  So...have more seats to sell or have seats that people want to buy?

There are some airlines that we won't consider anymore and if we need to travel, we either take a different airline, take the train if a different airline isn't financially an option, or drive.  Sometimes, I'd rather waste a day than have a crappy experience.

Melissa writes Stirrup Queens ( http://stirrup-queens.com ) and Lost and Found ( http://lostandfoundandconnectionsabound.blogspot.c... ). Her book is Navigating the Land of If ( http://thelandofif.blogspot.com/ ).