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Girl Code: Dating a Friend's Ex

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Let's discuss the Girl Code, shall we? It means different things to different people. For the sake of this post, I'm going to discuss three situations that fall under the Girl Code. (This code can apply to women for women and men for women and men for men, but since I'm straight, I'm going straight for the straight Girl Code to keep things straight -- got that?)

Type A: You were in a long-term relationship with a man, and you talked to your girlfriends about what this man meant to you, how he helped or hurt you, and they were there through the whole thing and when it painfully ended.

Type B: You were never in a long-term relationship with this man, but you thought about it. You talked with him -- perhaps got some smooching in or had a few dates. Your girlfriends listened to you coo about him and offered advice about what to do. For whatever reason, it flamed out, but you're not happy about it. Or it is still flaming in some way -- just slowly.

Type C: You met a guy who was nice, but you weren't interested. Maybe you went on a few dates, but then you decided to end it. You're OK with it. Your girlfriends know this.

Is it OK for your friend to hook up with or date any of these men?

Personally, I only see ONE of these situations that would allow for a friend of yours to date the man in question -- Type C. I feel this way because I've known a few people in my life who have gone on to marry someone that a friend of hers dated at some point -- when there were no hurt feelings or confusion about the topic. Most of these women are from the sock-hop generation, when people actually danced around in socks and were modest and virginal at all times. It's a little different here in 2011, but Type C can definitely still happen.

Regarding Type A and Type B -- it's a no. No go. Off limits. Walk away.

These types of codes were much more clear when I lived in large cities. Now that I live in a small town where there are only so many fish, I see a lot more crossover with Types A and B. This creates a lot of hurt and feelings of betrayal. I think if you are a true, good friend to someone, you would never consider hooking up with or dating one of their exes. Right?

As with all things, there are exceptions. If something wackadoo happened and Person A's best friend fell in love with Person B and it was real and good and true and beautiful, that's one thing. Who can deny true love? But the last time I saw that whole "love at first sight relationship" thing was a looooong time ago. It's very rare. Usually, people fall in love at a slower pace. And things like Girl Codes usually keep these events from happening -- especially if the girl has disclosed personal information about painful events that happened in the relationship to her friend. To use my own life as an example, usually, my girlfriends don't like my ex-boyfriends at all because they are on Team Blondie. F*ck that guy. He doesn't know what he had. He's an a$$hat. I don't need everyone to be on Team Blondie, but it feels good to know who my real friends are.

There are other factors to consider, such as time lapsed, physical proximity, and that lovely thing I like to call the Moral Compass. When you factor in a whole bunch of things, you can come up with some random algebraic equation to justify or not justify any actions. But many times, it's much more black and white: That's my ex-boyfriend and you are one of my best friends. WTF?

I've been accused more than once of being:

A.) a monster

B.) a goody-two-shoes

Since I've been told both of these things, it's often hard for me to gauge whether or not my "call" is right about certain topics, such as the Girl Code. Things that I think are obvious yes or no situations are sometimes the complete opposite of what other people are thinking. Usually, I don't care what other people think about my opinion of a topic. I get to own my opinion, and you can own yours. Amen. But I'm extremely curious as to what other people think about this, so I'm going for it.

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CroMom 14 pts

In general I totally agree with you. that being said - I dated and married my friend's "B" level boyfriend. We all worked together for a few years and she and I would drive together on occassion. She was dating two guys (We'll call them *John Mo and John Go- NO I'm not kidding she was dating two guys - same first name and rhyming last names).  Anyway,  We worked with John Go...

She eventually ended things with Go, and after months, months, and months I began dating him.  It took a while before we told her (I told her the news). At first I think she was shocked, but after a week or two she got over it. At that point she was dating her now husband and probably realized that she couldn't put her claim on him for life. 

He is a nice guy and the two fo them just didn't click. 

To this day she and I are friends (mostly via facebook, but we try to meet up 1-2 a year).  She attended our wedding, we attended hers (despite the fact that I really don't think her husband is a nice guy or the right guy for her). 

I think as you get older and you realize that sometimes relationships just aren't right we need to accept that and move forward with our lives. 

longtimenodig 5 pts

i'm not sure whether it's 'okay' but my current boyfriend used to be one of my gay friend's boyfriends.. i didn't set out to fall for him.. but my friend cheated on him A LOT and we fell in love.. i don't think that makes me a monster

lainierenee 23 pts

Sometimes relationships do not work out. If my friend and my ex hit it off and wanted to be together, I would not have a problem with it...An ex is an ex for a reason. There is enough love out there for everyone.

Overland 5 pts

lainierenee opinion on this subject is one I'd have to totally agree with because you never know what "true love" you are delaying. By getting upset w/your ex bf or current best friend. It easy to accept it at first, it feels weird and their might be jealousy. But if your an adult & am able to get over yourself things can work out for everyone involved. But you have to get over yourself & not get in the way of someones possible happiness. Just cause it didn't work out for you.
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kellibird 5 pts

There is absolutely no worse feeling than divulging vulnerable thoughts and feelings to a good girlfriend while in and out of the relationship... For her to then date him after you break up. You feel like you were preyed upon by that woman. Used, for insider information.
I HAD a friend like that. Didn't tell me, went behind my back while grieving. Didn't apologize, didn't see anything wrong with her behavior at all.

Anger is hard to let go. But after that's gone. You realize it's hard to trust women friends after that, and for that you have to keep tour resentment in check.

I guess being upfront about it would have helped. But her staying further away from my heart during a really tough time in my life would have been a better choice.

I don't want to have anything to do with her. Even though we made up, I realize I don't respect that sort of behavior, and don't want that sort of person around me.

I guess those are the affects of breaking the code.

BlondieChicago 22 pts

Well, it's 3 months later, and my "friend" is no longer my friend. My ex is still my ex, and they are still together. And many of our mutual friends have been thrown into plenty of awkward situations. My verdict? She was never my friend to begin with. I will be more careful who I trust from now on.

vintagegirl 5 pts

I just had my heart ripped out and thrown to the wind by the one person in the world who should have been protecting it. I have been in love with the same man for 2 years and spent almost every evening with him, talking, laughing, sharing. I would talk to her about him when ever we hung out and she knew how deep those feelings went. And then she came home, after being away for a long time, and systematically changed into his ideal woman, on purpose, as a competition, she even started to try to look like me.. creeeeepy swf moment, very odd.

I wish I could say it was true love, or kismet, but honestly I find myself seriously doubting it. I know they will not work out, but the lies, and lack of trust ended a friendship that started when we were pre-teens. I asked her too her face if she was interested in him, and if not to please stop flirting and cuddling with him. She told me she was in noooo way interested, and then as I was losing my job, spent every night with him, and then finally admitted she started dating him.

Now, I believe in a girl code, I trust in the girl code, and I respect the girl code. While the men aren't property, if you are a friend, and they are someone you care for, then I feel its a line that should never be crossed unless its situation C and it is clearly discussed between the two of you. If you feel that this man was worth losing a friend over then that's a personal decision but for your own integrity and personal sense of self, I hope you keep in mind the heart and friendship of the person you claim to call friend. I think in my situation honesty would have been best and I promise when these things happen, at least your friend who will be crushed ( that's unavoidable) at least knows you considered their heart, and feelings. Because on top of losing the man who I loved I also lost my best friend, the one person I would have turned to at a time of such heartache.

- betrayed and definitely feeling like its a total WTF-

AdamK 5 pts

Seriously?

Don't do it. The best friend or friend feels so bad. Like the guy only went out with them to get to you. Stick to your morals and values. :(

dimsumanddoughnuts 5 pts

I'm a little more lax about "the code" than I used to be. I have two girlfriends who were very good friends. Friend A dated a guy that she LOVED but he wasn't as into her. Friend B started dating him and they got married, and they're still married and really happy. Does Friend A still hate Friend B? Yes, but honestly, I wish she'd get over it. It didn't work out for them, it sucks but it is what it is and it's not like Friend B was just screwing around with him, she freaking married the guy. So, that's where I am with it. I wouldn't mess around just for fun, that's hurtful, but if it's the real thing, well...I'd probably go for it and I'd probably tell my friend to go for it too. (Should I cover my face with boxing gloves now?)
~Robyn
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KPack 8 pts

Uhg! I cant believe I am that girl... But really? I had to either let him go, or accept that I was... And its worse than that, He is her ExHusband... She and I were childhood friends... we both grew up, lost track, got married, got divorced, and reunited... She would tell me how amazing a person her exhusband was, but she didnt love him, and had left him for a felon druggie nightmare... He and I joined forces to try to save her and help her but when she went back to the guy... We consoled each other, and now... Well... She was right, He is an amazing person, And I fell in love with him. Damn me to hell if you want, but we have been together for two years, and I love him more every day.

sablearts 5 pts

Type B can be OK too... IF it's burned itself out and IF there's a little distance/time since then. 2 weeks later is NOT ok... but 2 years later? Certainly ok. But regardless of the situation, it's not cool to date someone your girlfriend has had history with unless you've talked to her about it first.

- Sarah

www.sablearts.com ( http://www.sablearts.com )

BlondieChicago 22 pts

I wrote a new post about this on my blog:

Revisiting the Girl Code ( http://talesfromclarkstreet.blogspot.com/2011/05/revisiting-girl-code.html ). I would love to hear your thoughts about the new post HERE or on Clark Street.

Blondie writes at Tales From Clark Street ( http://www.talesfromclarkstreet.blogspot.com/ ).

BlondieChicago 22 pts

You have tried to talk to your friend and have a good heart, so I understand why it still hurts you. But when I looked back and saw that you've been with this guy for TWO YEARS, I thought -- she should just own it. Don't be ashamed of your relationship or afraid around your friend. If you've been with this man for two years, he's yours. It's as simple as that. Your friend will either accept it or she won't. That is what I would do. I wouldn't try to bring it up again and would just go on with life.

Blondie writes at Tales From Clark Street ( http://www.talesfromclarkstreet.blogspot.com/ ).

BlondieChicago 22 pts

I am loving these comments. I must admit -- I thought I would get a bunch of NO WAY comments agreeing with me. I'm delightfully surprised and humbled to realize that many good, true relationships can come from an ex of a friend. Man, I love BlogHer. It makes me think about things in so many different ways. Thank you for participating in this discussion!

Blondie writes at Tales From Clark Street ( http://www.talesfromclarkstreet.blogspot.com/ ).

Rita Arens 143 pts

I've seen people date other's ex-lovers, ex-husbands, best friends and brothers. It seems like the primary initial relationship always dissolves from a strong bond to something less -- maybe a complete break and maybe just a fade back.

Like so many things in life, maybe it's not a right or wrong or winning or losing, but a weighing of the consequences. I think the friend whose ex is being dated also has to weigh those consequences and decide whether the anger is worth losing the friendship.

Of course, that's me, and I live in a world of gray.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

niseag03 13 pts

I hate it when people ask me how I met my husband. I end up shuffling my feet, chewing on my lip. "He was dating my best friend..."

My friend had been dating this guy for quite awhile, and when I met him we hit it off immediately. Over the next few years, I had close friendships with both of them... together and separately. He and I just had this easy hang, and when they split up, I didn't want to lose my friendship with him, so we kept in touch.

That didn't go over well, to say the least, but I stood firm. Careful to separate the two friendships -- never divulging anything from one to the other. It was hard. It was stressful. To say I considered walking away from BOTH of them countless times would be an understatement. But something kept me there. Something made me stay through all the crap. All the stress.

It was a good two years before you could say we went from "just friends" to something more. It just happened... and we've been married almost four and a half years now. I found "the love of my life" in the most unlikely of places, you could say.

I'm glad to say the friendship that introduced us... well... its not a close friendship by a long shot any more, but we are able to hang out with no animosity whatsoever. She is married with a baby now, herself. Life just seems to have fallen as it should.

I guess I tell my story to say... there IS a girl code there. And in general, I say its totally off limits to date a friends ex. But sometimes... sometimes it just seems meant to be. And you can't deny a friend a great relationship, just because it wasn't one with that person for you.

Denise
Musician's Widow ( http://www.musicianswidow.com )

ILoveLife 5 pts

Hello BlondieChicago.
Actually I've been dating my friend's ex-boyfriend for almost two years now. We are so happy and everything seems perfect because we get along just fine.

I'm just sad about my friend who I was very close with in college. They dated for like 2 years also and then they started having this on and off relationship. This guy, we were also close friends from before. I didn't saw it coming- that we would love each other. I've been resisting because my friend was still telling me her heartaches about him. I avoided him so much and never answered his calls but then on Christmas Day that year, I decided to see him. I never expected that would be the start of everything. I know I hurt my friend because she still loves him. We didn't talk for some time after she knew that I met up with him but now when we see each other, we already talk but the friendship is not the same as before. We haven't talked to each other about the issue because when i tried to talk to her about it before, it seemed like she didn't want to. What should I do?

BlondieChicago 22 pts

I can see how this makes sense because of the falling out of friendship AND the out of stateness, etc. I think it's more difficult when it's local and in your face. Know what I mean? And I'm also all for letting it happen when there is a true connection between people. It's hard, but I'm glad you all have been able to (sort of) work through it well.

Blondie writes at Tales From Clark Street ( http://www.talesfromclarkstreet.blogspot.com/ ).

natalied6579 6 pts

I had a good friend who dated a guy for about a year and then they broke up. He and I always got along very well but didn't see each other after they broke up. The friend and I went through a rough spot and weren't really speaking and she moved out of state. About a year after they had broken up I ran into the guy on the street. We said hi, started talking, exchanged numbers. We will have been together for seven years in August.

I had the hardest time breaking it to our mutual friends. She was pretty upset after finding out and I completely understood that. Eventually she moved back to town, we talked, admitted we would see each other since we have mutual friends, and decided to be civil. We are now pretty good friends again and go out for dinner together. It worked out. It was hard but I don't regret any of it.