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The Hearing of Octomom's Doctor and the Medical Ethics Debate

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28722, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA - Thursday, February 26, 2009. Nadya Suleman, mother of Octuplets is seen leaving her home just outside Los Angeles this afternoon to pay a visit to her new born children who remain in hospital care. She wears her hair in a braid and slippers. Meanwhile, her mother Angela and babysitters watch her 6 children at home. Photograph: Max Butterworth, Nate Jones © PacificCoastNews.com****** UK OFFICE: 131 557 7760/7761/7762 US OFFICE: 1 310 261 9676

She's the news story that will never end -- Nadya Sulemnan, otherwise known as Octomum, is back on CNN. Well, more accurately, her doctor, Michael Kamrava, is in the news, though it's impossible to discuss one without the other. Currently, he is taking part in a hearing that will determine whether or not he should lose his medical license. He has already lost his membership to the non-profit group, ASRM (American Society for Reproductive Medicine).

On one hand, it seems like a no-brainer. Beyond the Suleman case, there are other reasons Kamrava is having this hearing. With Suleman, guidelines state that doctors should transfer "no more than two embryos for women under 35 years old and no more than five for women over 40." He clearly violated the guidelines, and in doing so, put a patient's life in grave danger as well as the lives of her unborn children. Just because the story has a happy ending (is it a happy ending?) doesn't mean that the medical board should forget the statistically much more likely ending which could have included maternal death or neonatal death due to premature birth.

An expert witness inadvertently stated the heart of the matter. Dr. Victor Fujimoto was asked by the deputy attorney about Suleman's request to transfer 12 embryos.

When Alvarado asked him if it is not a doctor's responsibility to protect a patient from themselves, he answered "Sometimes."

There are clearly times when we'd fight just as hard for the right to not accept a doctor's protection. We can point to plenty of cases where we want the patient's voice to be heard, even when they are taking a risk with their life. Can we have it both ways?

For instance, VBAC (vaginal birth after cesarean) is a popular hot topic. The decision for a VBAC should be solely between the patient and doctor since only these two individuals have the woman's medical information. Yet what about women who rest in that grey zone for VBAC, neither clearly safe to attempt it, nor high risk for a uterine rupture? Is it the doctor's responsibility to protect the patient from herself and make the call, or is it the patient's right to decide once they've weighed the risks?

Moving up to an even greyer area, the case of Virginia v. Cherrix. Abraham Starchild Cherrix (also called Wolf) refused to continue chemotherapy in order to combat Hodgkin's disease. In refusing treatment, is the doctor allowing a patient to put themselves in harm's way, and is it that doctor's job to protect that patient from themselves?

Clearly, doing something to the body is quite different than withholding something from the body, though the end result may be the same. Still, this is a discussion we need to have because the meeting of religion and medicine could lead to more Suleman-like situations down the road (and for the record, Suleman is not the first person to have 12 embryos transferred. She is simply the first person who had 8 embryos implant and carried and delivered all 8 babies. People never hear about other cases because either none or a lower amount of the embryos implant).

Some religions have made clear statements against the freezing of embryos. But in a medical procedure that is just as much art as science, it is impossible to control how many viable embryos are created in the end. Doctors need to encourage the production of multiple embryos in order to give patients a chance of having one or two viable embryos for transfer. But what about the lucky few who create many viable embryos in a cycle? If they are against freezing embryos

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

On paper, it's sort of clear that this wasn't a great idea, but even with a psych eval, we walk a fine line when we start pointing fingers and saying, "you're fit to be a parent and you're not." Abuse is a clear problem. Poverty is not. So we get into a really grey area with that too.

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lauracarroll 5 pts

In addition to negligence, I have read the doc did not give her a mental health eval before giving her treatments. Before she had the octos, she was Already divorced, unemployed with six children living with her mother, relying on food stamps, school loans and disability payments for two of her kids who are autistic. Is this a person who should be given too many embryos that not only could harm her, but potentially leave thse six kids behind? How could an eval possibly say she is in any position for the possibility of more kids?

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

It is hard to discuss the ethics here because whatever answer you come up with, when applied to a similar situation, tends to fall apart. I think the doctor should lose his license, but not because he listened to his patient and followed her request.

Melissa writes Stirrup Queens ( http://stirrup-queens.com ) and Lost and Found ( http://lostandfoundandconnectionsabound.blogspot.c... ). Her book is Navigating the Land of If ( http://thelandofif.blogspot.com/ ).

JennaHatfield 10 pts

I wish there were easier answers here. I've been quietly watching with interest. I had a longer reply typed out, but it got controversial and I decided to drop it.

Contributing Editor Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )) blogs at Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ). She is a freelance writer and newspaper photographer.

Melissa Ford 5 pts

I missed House. I know I need to start watching that show. It always sounds good and relevant.

As sad as the c-section case may be due to the end result, I do think the decision rested with the woman just as much as I think the decision to attempt a VBAC should rest with the woman. And hopefully, if a doctor was uncomfortable with the patient's decision, they could remove themselves from the case and allow the woman to seek a doctor who agrees with that course of treatment. And if they can't...well...

Melissa writes Stirrup Queens ( http://stirrup-queens.com ) and Lost and Found ( http://lostandfoundandconnectionsabound.blogspot.c... ). Her book is Navigating the Land of If ( http://thelandofif.blogspot.com/ ).

ModaMama 5 pts

Medical ethics and standards are in place to keep a tab on what a doctor may and may not do. In this case the MD is clearly wrong to go outside the bounds of what he is allowed to do in his medical practice. Their medical knowledge does not make them higher beings, they are trained with the intention of helping others.

Unfortunately, often a burden of understanding and knowledge fall on the patient as well. In the case of someone choosing to refuse a treatment like chemo, even if the medical professionals feel it to be against the patients best interests to refuse, a doctor (or State) simply doesn't have the right to force a treatment.

You can decide what a MD is allowed to do but you can't dictate what the patient MUST do. All you can dictate is what is within the MD's power legally.

There was a recent case here where a healthy young mother demanded a C-section despite the doctors warnings that it was needless and posed a serious danger to the mother and child. Despite the MD's insistence, the c-section was performed later resulting in the death of the mother due to complications. The mother was given her options and warned of the consequences, but in the end made her own choice. It is clearly not a strong case for the patients ability to self-determine treatment, but that didn't make it any less her right.

Less seriously, anyone see this hashed out on "House" the other night?

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

I agree, and I wish all patient/doctor relationships were conducted with a team mentality, with both people realizing the other one holds specific knowledge.

Melissa writes Stirrup Queens ( http://stirrup-queens.com ) and Lost and Found ( http://lostandfoundandconnectionsabound.blogspot.c... ). Her book is Navigating the Land of If ( http://thelandofif.blogspot.com/ ).

Karianna 5 pts

Unfortunately, even the concept of "harm" can be pretty ambiguous.

I really worry - because on one hand I want to trust my doctor, but on the other hand there have been many times when the "medical professionals" have suggested things that definitely go against my beliefs/wishes.

I'd hope a doctor could appreciate his/her patient's specific circumstance rather than just giving textbook advice for a generic, "average" patient's outcome.

-K

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