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"He's Just Not That Into You": Burn it, or Sleep With It Under Your Pillow?

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Yes, I'm a little obsessed with this book. Because I read it (more than once), and it changed everything. It changed who I was. It's changed the path of my life. And I honestly can't decide if it's for better or for worse.

Through the entirety of my 20s I gave not one thought to many of the issues in this book. When I was attracted to someone, I just went after them, and I usually got what I wanted. I didn't think about whether the guy was making an effort, because I made enough effort for both of us. I got into relationships with people I loved A LOT. I had boyfriends I lived with, great sex, and just about everything my way. I was in control, and for huge, long periods of time I was happily, blissfully in love.

So OK, before I read The Book I *had* already decided that maybe I was *too* in control and that my relationships were a little unbalanced. Maybe I didn't want to have to be the leader in almost every moment. I came to the conclusion that a relationship with a guy who did whatever I wanted until the day I said "get out" - and then he did - held a fatal flaw.

And in my quest for relationship change, I swung the pendulum all the way the other way and ended up dating an evil cheater. Wounds. Lessons.

In a relationship I had after that I would sometimes say and often think, "I don't know how I'm supposed to be!" Well, be myself of course, but I'd shaken things up, I was breaking patterns, all while awash in the L.A. dating scene. So many times I felt like I didn't know what was right.

I wasn't sure how to be.

And by then, I'd read The Book. And I can't decide if it makes sense or if it's really just incredibly mean. Because honestly, maybe he's just not that into you - Or maybe he's shy, or maybe he's recovering from a bad breakup, or maybe he thinks you're not into him, or maybe you're the victim of absurd miscommunications, or maybe a million things that don't necessarily mean you should walk away. Those things you talk about with your friends - your intuitions, your analysis, your thoughts - they're often true, is the thing.

And The Book would have you walk away from anyone who isn't coming at you 100% clearly at 100% emotional health. Well, that's shiny, but is it really realistic? Is it even wise, to be so black and white?

Maybe I should reread the screenplay before the movie comes out. I got it from a friend because, yes, I'm *that* obsessed. It's certainly more romantic than the book, if I remember correctly. (Because think about it, if it followed the book completely, it wouldn't make for much of a story... Interesting, that.)

I look at people in relationships, and I often observe that they came together by breaking all these rules. Giving the benefit of the doubt, rolling the dice.

Sometimes "He's Just Not That Into You" seems more like a movement to force men to get with the program. If enough women buy it, and start walking away from every man who isn't assertive and clear and free of emotional baggage, then maybe some men will have evolve, right? They'll have to own their desires and go after them. Because I believe most men absolutely want the same things as most women, they've just never had to own it and pursue it quite the same way as they have to now, more and more.

Well, OK. I mean, I want to be respected and clearly communicated with. I want to be with a man who has at least some idea what he wants and the chutzpah to go after it. It being me. I want someone who wants me. I guess that makes sense. That I deserve *something* in the effort and risk-taking department.

But what worries me is that I've followed the book. I've walked away from my feelings when it seemed clear that I should be getting the message, and I've gone out with men who pursued me in all the right ways, and here I am, single again. They didn't love me. They certainly didn't love me the way men from earlier in my life did, the ones I pursued because I knew I wanted them despite their flaws, and who I never would have spent those years with had I

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Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Easier said than done, but I'm working on finding my way. :)

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monlee 5 pts

Then perhaps the book is frustrating you because you never needed it in the first place. Maybe go back to your original way of thinking before you read the book?

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

I already had self-respect, and the book made me crazy. ;)

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monlee 5 pts

I think that the real reason that some women have a problem with this book is that they cannot find the courage and self respect to actually follow the message of it. Nobody particularly LIKES being alone, but there are times when it is just simply better for you than settling for a down-right sucky relationship or even a mediocre one, for that matter. The book teaches self respect in situations that many single women struggle with most--situations that involve romantic relationships.

The book does make it sound like there should be room for ZERO flaws within a relationship. I will agree that this idea is ridiculous; it is impossible to meet anybody without flaws. You have flaws. He has flaws. We all have flaws. So running into problems in our relationships is unavoidable. However, I think the overall message of the book is more important: Have self respect for yourself. You know what you should tolerate and shouldn't tolerate. Be aware of tolerable and intolerable flaws, and don't settle for anything less than what you actually deserve. Ask yourself what types of problems are occurring in your relationships and be true to yourself when deciding if it is a problem that is worth working through or a problem that should open your eyes and make you say, "I totally deserve better." You deserve the best, and you'll know when you find it. There won't be any doubts in your mind about it.

The book is quite long winded to explain the simple concept of self respect (you either have it or you don't), but Greg was comical while reiterating the concept over and over, so it was worth my time.

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

I have *so* been there, and it does totally suck.

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GlindaofOz 5 pts

I agree that the world is not that black and white. I read a lot of dating books a few years ago and you know what? So did a lot of men. I dated about 4 guys who had read "He's just not That Into You", "The Rules", "The List". I had guys follow these books to the letter just to get what they wanted out of the women they dated. They were players and playe women with "their" material. After that I no longer trust any of these books.

Yes, it is very important to follow your gut but a bunch of arbitrary rules aren't going to get anyone anywhere. If I had listened to a single book I would not be in the best relationship of my life right now. The books are good in the sense that women need to put themselves first and realize that a relationship is give and take. When I was a matchmaker I used to tell people all the time that a relationship is like a rowboat if only one person is paddling they are going to get exhausted and frustrated and give up but if both people row its smooth sailing.

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Liz Rizzo 5 pts

AprilTara - I think I'm in dating book overload, but maybe I'll check it out sometime.

Barbara - I once read a great book called "Why Relationships End," and I thought to myself, no one who wants to stay in their relationship should ever read this! They'd break up for sure!

Always Beginning the World - OMG Exactly! Damn the friend zone!

DCSweetie - Interesting point. I do often feel like in some cases women stopped doing the heavy lifting and now no one makes any effort at all and we all just wander around kinda bumping into each other but never reaching out. And yeah, I think many men would benefit from some self-reflection and effort. I meet guys that are just waiting around for some woman to come along to push them to change, and then they'll be able to complain about it the whole way.

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DCSweetie 5 pts

DCSweetie (http://dcsweetie.blogspot.com/) 

Have any of you by chance read The Rules? A lot of reviewers had the same criticism for that book as for He's Just Not... but essentially I think their goal is the same: to get women to make superficial changes that become REAL changes. For instance, both encourage women to make up excuses not to call men / see them too often / etc. even if it means just hanging up the phone and doing some laundry. However, in my personal experience, you start doing those things just to attract someone, and you end up ACTUALLY getting too busy / too into your own fab life to worry about whether he's that into you or not.

Bottom line,  I totally agree that "I believe most men absolutely want the same things as most women,
they've just never had to own it and pursue it quite the same way as
they have to now, more and more." Too bad they're not the ones in the self help section!!! :) Maybe the fact that some women are raising their standards will be good for all of us!

Always Beginning the World 5 pts

I agree with everything written here!  The book makes it sound like there are *no* exceptions to the rules provided.  No room for "what if".  But life isn't black and white, is it?  And if not, then there are no absolute rules.

Vered says the following:  "In my very limited experience, it's true: regardless of how shy or busy they are, they do make the effort if they're interested."  I would agree with this statement - but it begs the question, how do you tell when effort is being made based on the interests of friendship vs. the interests of a deeper relationship?  So often, to a great point, they will appear as the same efforts to a great degree.  The book does stress the point that he may be into you, he's just not THAT into you - not enough for you to stick around.  So really, it's the level of interest we're often trying to gauge; which in my opinion is much more difficult than determining if it's there at all.  Shades of a color are much more difficult to distinguish than noting the absence of color entirely.

crzygirl70 5 pts

So happy that I am not the only one who found this book got her all confused.  I read it, bad timing -during my divorce.  I know, you must ask why would you do that...

 The obvious happened and on every page the hubster was jumping out and clearly not all that into me.  

 Now dating and reflecting back on the book -I agree 100% with what some of you have said.  It seems as though it is full of many true assertions, but there is a big picture, and when you are trying to break habits it just adds to the havoc. 

So I have compromised a bit, taken bits from the book but, also try to not to make my mantra -because as you have said then we to just sit and wait and frankly that is not so enjoyable either.

I am going to check out the book suggested by AprilTara -maybe it is just the other side of the coin I am looking for and balance this sometimes messy mindset I have created...

Peace be with you all.

Barbara 

AprilTara 5 pts

An even better book is "You Weren't That Into Him Either". Its about how we sometimes settle for less than we deserve just for the sake of not being single any longer.

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Jenn - Feels like my gut vs. my heart sometimes. And when you're trying to break patterns it can make your gut difficult to trust. "For me, asking myself whether he's into me or not is my way of making sure that I'm being as honest with myself as I possibly can be." Well, yeah, and then there's that. Sigh.

Vered - You've offered the perfect nutshell! Exactly! I can't decide if I buy the underlying assumption *and* it seems like, why is the asking and pursuing all on him? Where am I in the equation? It feels like writing with my left hand.

Kazari - I don't remember if the authors' credentials. They were Sex and the City writers, so maybe not. Although, when it comes to self-help I'm not sure if any credentials really mean much anyway. And it's interesting what you say - to suggest I rate my experience as highly, and yeah, guys that I've dated since embracing the book haven't led to anything as satisfying as my relationships before. Of course, I also moved to L.A., so there's variables.

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kazari 5 pts

Well,

from what I've read here, if I followed the book I wouldn't be married...

OK, enlighten me - wasn't this written by some dude that writes screenplays? ie, not a counsellor, or a therapist? or anyone with any more qualification than his own experience?

I'm not knocking his experience - but would just like to suggest that you rate yours at least as highly.

And just to add my experience into the mix - a lot of the guys that pursued me (cos you know, i had guys just falling over themselves to date me) turned out to be sleazy, or bossy, or just not nice.

I think I have a recipe for that... ( http://krissyscookingblog.blogspot.com/ )

Vered 5 pts

But if I'm not mistaken, the underlying assumption is that a man WILL pursue a woman he is attracted to. So, if he doesn't actively pursue you, he's not that into you and you shouldn't waste your time and energy on him.

I think you need to decide if you accept the underlying assumption. In my very limited experience, it's true: regardless of how shy or busy they are, they do make the effort if they're interested. But the problem is, this leaves women with a very passive role - the traditional role - and then we're back into picking from what's offered to us instead of going after what we want. 

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smartchica47 5 pts

I have had many, many conversations about this book with my guy friends and they all say it is 100% true BUT they also concede that you need to look at the whole picture. Yes, some guys are shy, sometimes there is miscommunication, or a million other things that will mean a guy isn't making himself crystal clear. But the real message of the book is to trust your gut - I think that most women know that if you find yourself repeatedly making excuses or trying to give a guy the benefit of the doubt, even (or especially) after you've made your own interest crystal clear, there may be something wrong, but most of us are reluctant to admit it. For me, asking myself whether he's into me or not is my way of making sure that I'm being as honest with myself as I possibly can be. That doesn't mean I won't give a guy lots of opportunities to prove himself; it just means that I try a lot harder to keep my heart in check until I am convinced.

Jenn

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