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Hey ladies, my mind is up here.

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I stood at the back of the "Vaginally Challlenged Bloggers" session red in the face from embarassment on at least three separate occasions.

Matt, Jim, and Adam made good use of my presence in the back to create some comedy, trading on a perception shared by a few there that I was a "hot" guy. So "hot" in fact, that it didn't matter what my blog was like: I'm hot, so I'll get attention.

Britt, moderating, asked me if that kind of joke, reference, or assumption bothered me and I, after blushing again, responded "No, not from these guys."

And really, it didn't bother me from anyone. Not me. But I think it ought to have and that does bother me.

I look back on my interactions with people at the conference, with women at the conference, and I think "Have I done something wrong in letting my vanity close my mouth when I see objectification happening in a setting where the power relations are so imbalanced?" I certainly have a problem with men at other conferences who sexualize the structure of conversation and professional interaction. And I have a problem with that same kind of structuring happening at BlogHer, an environment that I presume is meant in part to free women from the subterranean anxiety that a sexual remark will be presented and they will be tested in their tolerance of it.

But I didn't say a single word about the "you're hot" remarks that were tossed at me, casually. I ate that stuff up. My shoulders broadened and my back straightened and I could feel my arms twitching to go around lifting things in front of people.

Maybe I didn't say anything about it because many of the comments were said lovingly or comically by friends, and if they didn't bother me coming from those people then maybe they shouldn't bother me coming from anyone else. And maybe I didn't say anything because even though it was exactly the kind of behaviour that should be minimized or eliminated in the hybridized professional-social setting that blogging conferences are, I wasn't personally made to feel marginalized or threatened. On the contrary I felt very welcomed.

I wonder how much of that has to do with gender and how much it has to do with me: I'm confident enough to be the only person standing in the back of a room, an obvious target, just so I can hear what is being said on stage; that confidence is a bit of a shield from the emotional impact of being objectified. But men too might just normally respond differently to objectification than women: maybe we take it good-naturedly, trusting women not to do anything threatening in the aftermath of comments; women might have no such trust about men making similar comments.

I suppose my point here is that although I wasn't bothered by it, that I reveled in it to a large extent, I think I should have been upset. I should have said, at some point, cleverly, but gently:

"Hey ladies: my mind is up here."

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Karen-MEG 5 pts

just sayin' ;).  He's  girly man.

 But seriously, I was at the session and thought you handled it extremely well, it was tongue-in-cheek and I felt the room was very welcoming and more of a gathering of friends chit-chatting and joking around, than anything else. I wondered how you were feeling a bit in the spotlight there, so it was interesting to read this post.   

Your writing, though, is definitely where it's at.  

K-MEG

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

Really I'm just fishing for compliments on my blog too :}

 Thank you for wondering the same things I've been wondering.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

I'm smearing peanut butter and roasted lamb into my goatee as I type this.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

And maybe I actually am uncomfortable, which is why I'm saying something, and I'm not nearly as unconcerned as I paint myself to be.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

And this post wasn't about wondering if you three had done something wrong, but about whether I have a double-standard about it.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

That it's more of a social gathering with a few sessions thrown in. I wonder if that's in any way by design, or if it was always intended as a more professional gathering but the nature of the blog undermines it.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

But sometimes the supposed to's are there for a reason. Aren't they?

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

And I probably don't mind it from people I know or even loosely "know". I don't mind it from anyone, and I wonder if I ought to mind it at least from people I don't know in any capacity.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

And because a lot of bloggers are very personal or revealing on their sites it makes sense that the community that would develop around them would be more casual than the community surrounding highly technified tech bloggers who blog about tech all day long. Tech. Or from the audience for political blogs or online business journals or something. You'd never expect to see real personal connections made, embraced, and exploited a little (in a nice way, but still exploited) at conferences for them.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

I think you're probably right that deep down I'm really just confident and don't care what others think :}

 But yes, nothing else matters at the end of the day. Please read my blog.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

sleepy new mommy 5 pts

I was sitting in a session when my roommate DMd me on Twitter to tell me that you were in the same session she was in and that you were hot.  Kind of like Orlando Bloom, I believe is the reference she made.  We made jokes about it the rest of the time, saying that we were stalking Backpacking Dad.

In reality, I sat near you in one session and even said hi, but I didn't want to blurt out "Hey you look really good in person" because #1 That's odd, and #2  I kind of wondered if it wasn't objectifying men in a woman-dominated conference.  So I smiled and kept my mouth shut.  I'm now kind of glad I did.

The bottom line is that we all love your blog and would still love it if you never posted a picture of yourself and/or you were ugly.  Your words mean more than your looks.

And now you can take all of these comments about how ridiculously good looking you are and show them to your wife and be smug.

avitable 5 pts

Appropriate or not, I'd fuck ya.

amefromtn 5 pts

You could try to tone down your hotness by walking around with a dumbass look on your face, but we'd probably just think "Aw, damn, look at the hottie Dad with the dumbass look on his face!"  Same would probably go for leaving traces of your last meal in your facial hair or on your shirt.

I think (many will agree) that most of the blame falls upon YOU, Mister Hot Dad.  Walking around with beautiful children in a backpack makes us HAVE to ooo & awww over the kids and when we innocently glance further down we are accosted by Hot Dad Butt. As we scream and run away we only glance back repeatedly to make sure,um, yeah, insert valid excuse here.

My Hubs has a hot Man Butt too & is always pulling that pitiful Hey Stop Grabbing My Butt Crap & I tell him to stop whining or stop carrying that hot Man Butt around & he's all like "I havta carry it around, it's my butt" then I have to be all like "Stop talking & look at that very interesting thing over there" so I can grab The Butt again.  Gah.

MommyTime 5 pts

I think Diana and BusyDad together make the point very clear: context and the relationship between you and whoever is making the comments changes everything. 

Given that, I think the thing that made me uncomfortable about it in the context of that particular panel was not about what the guys on the panel were saying because they are clearly your friends.  It was about the general hoots and expansions of the point made through the room.  As I said at the panel, women have been fighting for a long time to get husbands and partners to stand up and be active involved Dads and for that to be not just socially acceptable but actively supported.  I think that if we want people to eschew divisions of labor based purely on outdated stereotypes, and to treat us like we are more than just pieces of meat, then we should do the same to men.  Your friends can do and say anything that your relationship warrants, but the "relationship" between strangers ought to assume there is a line drawn at sexual comments. And I'm guessing that perhaps that line is not always easy to find but that line DOES make you a little uncomfortable -- or you wouldn'd be bringing it up.

MommyTime
http://mommysmartini.blogspot.com

BusyDad 5 pts

I think the reason all three of us felt it ok to do was that we aren't strangers, we all respect each other, are more or less friends and the audience was aware of all this very critical dynamic. I think if none of us knew you and singled you out to comment on your looks - or none of us knew anyone in the audience, it would have been 100% different. I think this incident spoke more of our mutual closeness as fellow male bloggers than anything else.

Plus, we were jealous.

eatplaylove 5 pts

I once attended a four day reading conference where obviously the ratio of men to women was pretty similar to Blogher. I would have been appalled if I heard someone making such comments at the teacher's conference to a male colleague. But at Blogher, I am gathering professionalism is not at the top of the list, as it seems to be more of a social gathering with a few sessions thrown in.

I enjoy your writing and have to admit, no matter what my opinion is of your looks, I would have definitely kept it reeling in my head and never let those thoughts escape.  

- Denise

You might just smile- http://eatplaylove.blogspot.com/

GeekMommy 5 pts

Well, maybe it's that I never think a guy is hot if his brain isn't awesome too, but I think you're hot b/c both match.

That said, yeah - 'supposed to' seldom holds sway over me! :)

Lucretia (aka GeekMommy)

Raising a child in a digital world, still a digital girl

prosaicparadise 5 pts

Last night when I got home, to decompress, I watched some 30 Rock. And the episode we had happened to be "The Bubble" where Liz Lemon dates a really attractive guy, who is depicted as having everything easy on him. Hilarious and appropriate satire for this conversation!

Was there someone out there who wasn't sought out for those reasons? I would be shocked if it were not true. But by raising awareness of it, you are helping, I think.

http://www.prosaicparadise.com/

ChurchPunkMom 5 pts

I think it depends a little on the intent behind the compliment. I, personally, don't have a problem with an honest compliment from someon who is just telling me I look nice.. but if there's some intent behind it that's inappropriate, then yes, it would bother me. To be honest with you, I was initially hesitant to bother reading your blog because I kept hearing people associate you with being 'a hot guy' and I don't see that as a good reason to read someone's blog. I certainly wouldn't want someone to read my blog just because they think I have nice boobs. But, I have read your blog. And I enjoy it very much. You are a very talented and intelligent  piece of meat. ;)

Sure, my husband (onlyaman) and I like to joke with you about your 'hotness' and of course about your backpack (or lack of at BlogHer.. what was up with that??), but it's in good fun. And when it comes down to it, I like you because of your wit and intellect (and I really do mean that!) not because you're tall, dark, and handsome.

~Megan

http://myembellishedtruth.blogspot.com

Stop by and say 'Hi!' :) 

temptingmama 5 pts

I've met you, I've talked to you outside The Blog, I didn't think you were THAT hot. *shrugs*

Okay, okay... you're alright.

But! That was never once what attracted me to your site.

And! As much as I loved that panel and the men that were on it, it made me a little sad to hear them heckle you saying that you're just a pretty face (even though I KNOW it was totally just them ribbing you) because I didn't want the people in that room whom haven't read your site to believe that.

And for the record, I didn't even swoon when you gushed over me for the work I did on your site. 

(Okay, maybe a tiny little bit)

I think because the atmosphere of that conference is so laid back it just seemed natural to have that connection with each other. Since we blog about personal stuff - for the most part - I think many people (myself included) think of that environment as more of a group of friends getting together to shoot the sh!t rather than a business / work related type event. 

Had it been something else that had a more rigid, work related atmosphere maybe the tone would have been different because I can tell you, I sure as hell wouldn't be going to a technical work conference cussing up a storm and deep throating beer bottles. 

Not that I did that. 

Ahem. 

Sam

temporarily me dot com ( http://temporarilyme.com ) | Craftastrophe ( http://craftastrophe.net ) | Temptation Designs ( http://temptationdesigns.com )

bleachforyoursoul 5 pts

You're not Backpacking Mom.

This suggests two things to me:

1) Due to the testosterone that courses through you, there are certain things that come predefined. Such as the desire to be noticed by a woman. Or several hundred. Don't abuse yourself for being hot. Hey, you said it first.

2) Having only begun reading your blog, it is still obvious that you are unconditionally dedicated to your family. This enables you to be secure in a room full or women (or likely even men).

Boil out the impurities, and what remains is a certain confidence that comes from not really caring the opinions of the others in the room. Because at the end of the day, site visits, page loads, and search engine referral terms don't mean squat compared to the joy we have when with our families.

Right? 

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

I really am not bothered by it. I adore it. I'm just taking a step back here to wonder if I ought to.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Karianna 5 pts

I can insert my foot now.

You see, I started responding to a "discussion" on twitter that had started with you linking this post (which I initially missed) but had turned into playful jabs that were - yes - about your hotness. And so, my response was to join right in, because I remembered how the other guys ribbed on you during the vaginally-challenged panel. And I remember thinking that you must be a pretty amazing man.

For me, seeing you red in the face, and yet standing there in a way that I felt was confident made me respect you. I've heard that guys compliment each other by ragging on each other, so I thought it was terrific that you were the object (pun not meant to harm) of the panelist's attention. It seemed good-natured, although I agree that it could be taken a much different way.

If you really were just looks with no brain, the panelists wouldn't have teased you.  I considered this, and was eager to find out more about you and your blog (just as I have with women who stood out for me at BlogHer.)

I should have known better, because I am very sensitive about my rather large chest-type-area. For men to focus on that rather than me as a person makes me feel uncomfortable. (Although if women tease me, it is usually taken as a joke.) But... for what it is worth, I don't think you are all looks in the least, and what happened at the panel for me confirmed that rather than created an opposite notion.

I apologize for my own comments. They were meant absolutely as compliments.

-Kari

www.kariannaspectrum.com ( http://www.kariannaspectrum.com )

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

I assure you that it wouldn't have made me uncomfortable, and that's what I'm worrying at right now.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

I'm happy to have received none of those e-mails. I wouldn't know how to handle them.

I think I'm also jealous that I didn't receive any of those e-mails, because what the hell, inappropriate e-mail writers? Am I not good enough for you to proposition via e-mail?

It's a confusing place to be, emotionally.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

I know that no one wants to read a "Life is so tough when you're really really ridiculously good-looking" post :} And honestly, life wasn't tough at all for me at BlogHer. I had a great time and the ego stroking contributed to that. It's just striking me as something to be worried about.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Megan Smith 5 pts

Hi Shawn,

When I spotted you at BlogHer, I didn't say you were a good looking guy, but I certainly noticed.  I didn't say it because I don't know you beyond your very entertaining tweets on Twitter.

I think what's key here is what's intended.  Usually when men are saying something like this it's in a situation where they have all the actual or perceived, power.  If I had come up to you and said, "Man, you're as good looking as your picture," in a joking way, you may not have minded because I don't have any power over you.

I also wouldn't have done it though because I wouldn't have wanted to make you feel uncomfortable

I did however on the second night of the conference go up to a good looking black guy standing alone and asked him how such a good looking man found himself to be so lucky to be among such a large group of women.  I said it because I was flirting, and he in turn knew I was flirting.

He laughed, chatted with me politely about why he was at BlogHer and then started mentioning his wife.  I then laughed and moved on.

I think there's definitely a place for men and women to mention each other's looks in certain settings.  It's just the history of the power men have had over women will take a long time to erradicate.

And I'll have to check out the Vagina Challenged session so I can hear what really went on!

Megan
BlogHer Contributing Editor, TV/Online Video ( http://www.blogher.com/blog/megan-smith )

Megan's Minute ( http://www.megansminute.com/

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

Because I wonder if I earned attention at a blogging conference that had nothing to do with blogging. Was there someone there who ought to have been talked about, sought out, spoken to, congratulated, thanked etc...but they weren't because they didn't have people talking about their looks? Or worse, were people talking about their looks, but disparaging them for it and then not considering their blogging at all?

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

I was a willing participant, and the one who reaped the biggest benefit from that kind of singular focus. The post isn't about how I feel objectified and oh woe is me, because that would be beyond hypocritical. I never felt objectified. I just wonder if I should have, or if there is something about the circumstance that preserves it from comparisons to situations where men have said similar things about women in those settings.

As for the power imbalance point: I think there is a power-imbalance at BlogHer that is drawn along gender lines. I don't think I said it was wrong. But wrong or not, there is an imbalance and I try to respect it by not pushing a male agenda on the conference in any way while I'm there. However, if there is a power imbalance that seems to impact the intuitive wrongness of objectification for some people. Others would say that objectification is just always wrong, even if it's objectification of the empowered group by the minority.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

Maybe it is no big deal. But I feel like I need an answer because the parallels are so obvious, and strong, that to not sort it out leaves me with this headache of contradiction.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

So, I see women calling each other "hot" all the time, and I see men do it. Do they mean the same thing? Is there anything about a man calling a woman "hot" that distinguishes it from women doing it to each other?

Suppose there is. Then when a woman calls a man hot is she doing it in the same way she would call a woman hot, or is it something similar to the way in which a man would call a woman hot?

I think it's the thought that women are using the term with men the same way they'd use it with each other that dims the feeling that the man is being objectified in a way he shouldn't be. I think that made it easier for me to not be bothered by it. But I don't know that it's correct, that I shouldn't have been bothered by it.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

And I guess I'll always wonder where the line is, where I should feel comfortable not saying anything when I would say something if the situation were reversed.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

Backpacking Dad 5 pts

The post wasn't really about how the women at BlogHer should behave differently, but how I might have been making a mistake, somehow being inconsistent, in the way I tolerate it one way and not others.

This post might be read as a "the BlogHer women were so sexist" rebuke, but that's not it at all. Although they might have been. But if they were it was with my full participation.

http://www.backpackingdad.com

casadecruz 5 pts

 I think you are just a genuinely nice guy, Shawn.  You can't help it.  And I first was drawn to your writing,then met you at BlogHer08, and found you to be exactly the person you are on your blog.  That's key.

 I can understand the concern, though. I have it on good authority that many emails were sent to the BlogHims making it clear there was interest if they were so inclined.  Good post and something important to talk about.

BTW, you have a GREAT mind.

Tina@SendChocolate

Send Chocolate ( http://www.sendchocolatenow.com )- cheaper than candy...half as sweet.  Autism, homeschooling, life..free. Sarcasm is a bonus. Aren't you lucky??

kathygee1 5 pts

I will admit that I noticed your looks the first time I saw your blog.  The reason I keep reading it is because of your amazing writing. I would read it no matter what you look like.

Rita Arens 7 pts

When I hear women be mad about being told they are beautiful, I often think to myself, "I would love to be told I am beautiful."

But yes, our culture does seem to think you can be one or the other. Thanks for sharing, and for being beautiful in more ways than one.

Rita Arens writes at Surrender Dorothy ( http://surrenderdorothy.typepad.com ) and BlogHer and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ).

prosaicparadise 5 pts

If all I heard about you was how hot you were, or that you were pointed out for it, that would kind of suck. But now I know you think about it and you want to talk about it - that is awesome. Thanks for sharing your feelings on it. 

I wasn't in the panel but I it's true - I heard about your getting called out! 

You have to look at it from the other perspective - if a person doesn't fit into socialized beauty standards and can't take advantage of it - and I'm guessing that's part of why you feel uncomfortable. 

 On the other hand - I felt more confident at this conference than I have at many other events. I felt like it really didn't matter what I looked like. I felt like people just wanted to hear what I had to say and I wanted to hear what they had to say!

http://www.prosaicparadise.com/

McHopeful 5 pts

I would view the "hot" comments as the continuation of an online conversation that you began by commenting on many aspects of your appearance in your blog: your hair, the experience of being photographed for a calendar of "hot dads and moms," your "vanity," your facial hair, whether older ladies are correct in thinking that you look like Robert Goulet, whether you need to lose weight,  whether you are narcissistic, etc. etc. etc. Even if sometimes you raise these topics to be humorous or ironic, after you've laid it out there for the whole cyberuniverse, a response in kind is invited. Also, is one automatically on the short end of a power imbalance if one is a representative minority in a room? Fewer men than women = less power? Interesting idea to think more about. Thanks for raising it.  

Denise 9 pts moderator

That's exactly what makes me uncomfortable. And it's what makes me uncomfortable when anyone does this, regardless of the genders of the people involved.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings ( http://www.flamingohouse.net/ )

Julie Marsh 5 pts

Having spent most of my adulthood in male-dominated areas, I stopped thinking of my female-ness (and how it may have been perceived) as a liability long ago.  Instead, I did my job well.  And hey, if a couple old Colonels or geeky young engineers were more willing to cooperate with me on account of my looks, more power to me.

So count me in the "no reason to be bothered" camp.

Julie @ The Mom Slant ( http://themomslant.com )

Velma 5 pts

I wasn't at that session, although I heard from many about all the grief the other guys gave you.  I was really curious what kind of experience the various men at BlogHer were having, so thanks for sharing what it's like to have that much attention directed at you.

MoreThanMommy 5 pts

You know what, we tell each other we look hot, too! Getting those kind of comments in a room full of women means you're being accepted. Getting them in a room full of men means you're being ogled.

I'm glad you didn't take it personally. And I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to meet you (because of your mind, of course)!

Christy

MorethanMommy ( http://morethanmommy.com )

QuirkyFusion ( http://quirkyfusion.com )

Diana 5 pts

... I was uncomfortable for you. 

I hadn't planned on blogging this but since you brought it up I actually had an experience this weekend where I felt uncomfortable for you. I wasn't in that session, but privately with two other bloggers who hadn't met you previously I felt really awkward when they mentioned your looks. They certainly weren't saying anything derogatory and they made the comments in a respectful way, as respectful as one can be when objectifying someone I suppose, but it still made me uncomfortable.

One mentioned having met you and said "He's goodlooking." And you are, Shawn. You're an attractive man. Just as there were many attractive women at the conference, so I wouldn't have expected that comment to make me uncomfortable. But it did and I found myself fumbling for a response. "Yeah, I guess so." is all I really could come up with. And added "He's a really nice guy, I met him last year."

I think, in hindsight, what made me uncomfortable was the lack of other credit you were given in that situation. She didn't say "Shawn's a wonderful writer, has a welcoming personality, and is goodlooking to boot." She JUST said you were goodlooking, which though she probably didn't mean it in that way reduced you to ONLY your looks. Where as if it'd been part of a larger statement that included compliments to your other triats - integrity, intelligence, kindness, etc - probably would have been okay with me.

So, all that rambling to get to: if the comments came from people you know, are friends with and know are just a part of a greater admiration for your entire sum of parts I don't think there's anything wrong with not being bothered by it. It's when those comments are made in a way that reduces the person to only a physical body that problems really arise. 

scrapyoga 5 pts

You bring about an excellent point. We should be rising above what we ourselves have been fighting against. You are sounding pretty damn smart to me!

michellany 5 pts

I've never seen you.  But based on this post, I'd definitely say that you have a beautiful mind.