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I Took A Stand at the Rose Bowl Game--and Why I'll Never Go Again

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This year, against my better judgment, I went to my first Rose Bowl game. Let me be clear: I don’t like football. I went because my daughter’s team, the celebrated Oregon Ducks, with their “Quack Attack” offense and stylish Nike uniforms, were playing the Wisconsin Badgers. I went because my fine feminist daughter, despite all that I have taught her, is an unrepentant fan. So my husband got tickets for the four of us.

They were great tickets. For those of you who care about these things, they were in the 12th row around the 22-yard line. We weren’t even in the sun! I was actually excited, because my son, daughter, and husband I were doing something together. Making a memory. Having a moment. When your children finally leave adolescence, you are so relieved that you survived it without killing each other you find yourself embracing the oddest family outings. Like hanging out with 91,000 people wearing identical colors and badger hats and wigs.

It was a perfect afternoon.All blue skies and that legendary Pasadena sun blanketing the San Gabriel Mountains. We were all decked out in Duck T-shirts and hats, nothing too embarrassing, of course. We took our seats. Unlike the end zones, which were a massive block of red at one end, and green and yellow at the other, our section was fairly egalitarian, a convivial mix of Badgers and Ducks. I had brought my digital camera and telephoto lens and was taking pictures as the Ducks’ drill team and band members took the field. The game hadn’t even started.

That’s when I heard them.

The two drunken Wisconsin guys sitting directly behind me. Calling the female band members on the Oregon team “bitches.” They said it so loudly that people sitting across the stadium could probably hear them. And they were laughing.

I felt the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Then I felt a rush of disbelief, anger, and fear. The same fear I’ve felt all my life when I’m around men who feel they have the impunity to talk shit about women. Like women are just objects to be discussed and dissected at their whim. It’s not exactly hatred. In some ways it’s worse. Like women are so worthless and inconsequential they don’t exist. They’re not even there.

My first impulse was to turn around and say, “Would you Wisconsin morons please shut the F up?” Or better yet, something sarcastic and Tina Fey-ish like, “Oh, I didn’t know Wisconsin men had such tiny penises!” But I behaved myself. I kept calm, because I didn’t want to cause a scene or embarrass my family. I didn’t even turn around and glare at them. For some reason--call it the optimist in me--I figured they’d eventually settle down and stop.

They didn’t.

During the pre-game show, they proceeded to trash the women on the Oregon drill team. To comment on their bodies, their looks. “God, they’re even fatter than our girls!” one said. They both thought that was hilarious. Beyond the misogynistic banter, every other word out of their mouths was “fuck.” I’m sure the parents of the young kids sitting around us were elated.

I’d had enough. I was not going to listen to their crap the whole game. Why should I? I thought. Why should I tacitly condone their behavior by not saying anything? They probably do this all the time, and no one ever calls them on it. We’d spent all this money on tickets. Why should I have to tolerate their behavior? And in my home stadium, for that matter? Why should my daughter? Didn’t we have a right to enjoy the game?

I turned around. They were probably in their 30s, two big white guys with beer bellies in Levi’s and Wisconsin T-shirts. One had on a red wig.

“Pardon me,” I said in my most civil but firm voice. “Would you please stop using that language about women? It’s offending me.”

You would have thought I was speaking Albanian. They literally looked at each other and said, “Huh?”

Then, apparently because I was a female, and therefore didn’t exist for them, they started taunting my husband, who was sitting next to me.

“The fucker didn’t even take off his hat during the Star Spangled Banner!” one said, at one point.

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Kromsnaveland 5 pts

Booze does wierd things to people. When they are sober, they are different. Understand the various arenas of life. Each is different form the next.

oviedostyle 11 pts

THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE!

I haven been in situations like that too. Sometimes I say something and sometimes I don't. It's not always easy to tell if the person who is offending you is going to get violent.

If I am with someone that I know well than I will always say something, but alone I don't feel as brave. So it is extremely disappointing that your husband didn't back you up. If your whole family had stood up with you or even went to get a guard they would most likely have stopped.

The other day I was standing outside a restaurant with my mom who has asthma. This woman walked by smoking and I waved her smoke away because it offended my senses and I was worried about my mom. It is also a auto reaction of mine. I don't want to breathe toxic pollution anyway. Well this lady noticed so she walked back from the opposite direction and blew a huge cloud of smoke at us. I said out loud "Well that was passive aggressive" She replied saying "I was being passice with my waving away her earlier". HA! Before my mother could speak I loudly retorted that "My mom has asthma and your smoke could stop her breathing. You are ignorant and rude!" Then I walked away and she did not say anything or follow me.

I seriously wanted to smack that cigarette out of her hand and knock her to the ground. I was so livid!

Rex Bovee 5 pts

Yeah,I know: The only time I was ever punched was at a high school championship game after I had presented the colors and retired to the stands. But no longer can I relegate this kind of moronic aggression to men; plenty of idiotic moms also exceed any societal norms in public confrontations.

Mona Gable 14 pts

Rex Bovee Great point, Rex. I've seen plenty of soccer moms at my daughter's games act like jerks.

DebLog 9 pts

ugh. my heart just sank for you when I read this. Trapped in a football game with nowhere to go and drunken assholes behind you?--awful and impossible. I would have spoken up as well, and I hope I would have done it with your same composure. Even though they taunted you to save face, maybe they'll think twice at the next game. Unlikely, but possible thanks to you!

Mona Gable 14 pts

DebLog Thanks so much for your sympathy! I thought hard about what I wanted to say because I knew if I just got mad they wouldn't hear me.

SweetPoet65 11 pts

I feel for you and your family. I also dislike games that include crowds, liquor, and adrenalin (in combination). At one point in time, I would have done exactly what you did. However, in light of the many news flashes and tragic incidents of violence at games - Dodger Stadium (http://www.examiner.com/people-the-news-in-nationa...) and Candlestick Park (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/44217709/ns/sports-n...) to name a couple, needless to say, I understand your husband’s point too. These are difficult times, and I am uncertain how to explain “the right thing to do” to my son as he grows into a man. I wish everyone would respect others and themselves so that we all can enjoy life’s fun and tantastic moments.

Mona Gable 14 pts

SweetPoet65 Thanks so much for your perspective. And I so agree with you about the problem of violence at the games. It is tragic. I have friends who had season tickets to the Dodgers for years--and then gave them up last year because the behavior was so out-of-control in the stands. Your son, by the way, has a very thoughtful mom!

Laine Griffin 284 pts

I understand what you are saying about not going back. Perhaps not the Rose Bowl specifically, but those type of events. Events you don't like anyway. Events where this kind of behavior is the "norm."

I would have done the same thing. And my family would have had the same reaction. And I would have felt terrible that they weren't having a good time. My intentions would have been good for many reasons. But I would be torn between my family and my "feminism" however you want to define that.

I'm glad you took a stand. Perhaps you made a difference. In their minds, the reason they had to keep going and not shut up was to save face. However 'effed up that is.

Emmeline 6 pts

When I was younger, my mom was like you, she would stand up for herself and the people around her and speak her mind when she needed to. I often felt like your daughter did; I understood why she did it, but I didn't want any drama. I didn't want to rock the boat. Now, years later, I can say that I am so glad that my mom was like you, I am so proud of her for sticking with what she felt was right and wrong. It has made me a stronger person. You did the right thing and I hope, if I am ever in a situation like that, I can be as brave as you.

Mona Gable 14 pts

Emmeline That makes me feel so much better, Emmeline. Thanks for sharing your story about your mom and how mortified you used to feel when she spoke her mind. And yet how happy you are that she did because it made you a stronger person. Sometimes these changes take time, don't they? I think it's still very hard for women to stick up for themselves, in part because we've been so thoroughly trained to be "good girls"! I'm not so sure I was "brave," as you so sweetly put it, as much as just fed up! Just be true to yourself. That's the most important thing of all.

IronMin 5 pts

A really horrible experience...and also being a Madisonian and an adopted Badger fan for the last 5 years I am even more sorry that you will associate the team, city, and state with those morons. I have never met more progressive, intelligent, and forward thinking people than I have in and around that campus and I hope an equally wonderful experience happens to you with folks from the very same origin. That said, everyone is on a different spectrum of evolution and alcohol tends to send some back a few hundred years. You were right to make a stand.

CroMom 6 pts

Sorry you didn't enjoy the experience. As an adopted Wisconsinite (although i am not a Badger fan) I apologize for their ridiculous behavior. I'm also a feminist and don't think that they should say nasty things about the O women just cuz...but in all reality you were at a drunk, testatorone filled stadium where part of the fun is taunting one another. It sounds like your not really into the sports "thing".

Also note: Madison WI is about the most Democratic, hippy, liberal place on earth - so I think it is hilarious that they called someone a Democrat as if it was a bad thing. Are you sure you didn't misunderstand??? I'm sure you didn't...but it is true that Madison is the hippy part of WI.

Polish Mama on the Prairie 27 pts

It is. And it's sad. When I see behaviour like that, I think that we are only a few short votes away from the Taliban mentality towards women in the US, in any country really.That being said, I have been in your situation. Security is paid to take care of idiots like that. They get kicked out. You paid $ to enjoy the game & your money was lost just the same as if you had left at that moment. Their money wasn't, they had a good time. Because nobody reported them for cursing & being too drunk. They won. :(

Polish Mama on the Prairie 27 pts

Oh, and even though my husband and I don't always get along, he would be the first to punch a dude in the mouth for talking to me like that. How do I know? I've seen it, 3 against him. He won. It's why I love him.

JChandler 13 pts

I'm glad you spoke your mind, regardless of how anyone else might feel. Those who fought against misogyny and for the rights of women never did so with a whisper.

LucindaA 36 pts

First, yay Ducks! Ok...I think the worst part of that is not having your husband support you. My husband would probably react the same way and it would hurt. But I would do the same thing you did. Politely point out that what they say is offensive and disrupting my enjoyment of the event and would they please stop. If you don't say anything, how will they know? Clearly in this situation it didn't work out, but sometimes it can. One time while in a store with my very young daughter, there was a man loudly talking on his cell phone and cussing. As soon as he caught my eye, I gestured towards my daughter and mouthed "please." He immediately apologized, quieted down and walked away. When he finished his phone call, he came back to apologize again. Not the reaction I expected but was so pleased that it enforced my belief that it is always worth saying something. You just never know what will happen.

labuenavida 13 pts

First of all, I agree that the fans behind you were acting inappropriately. However, if someone sitting next to you at the library/coffee shop/supermarket/restaurant said something misogynistic, would you never attend any of those places again either?

I get the feeling that you're using this experience to justify not attending football games in the future (something that you admitted you didn't really want to do in the first place, and seemed to imply that a 'learned' feminist wouldn't usually want to either). Assuming that every Rose Bowl experience would be just like yours is really throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

cookingwithkary 97 pts

I got your back on this, you go girl! Feeling sad as well, I was raised in Southern Cal and have such fond memories of the Rose Bowl games and parade, so sorry to hear about these morons.

Mona Gable 14 pts

cookingwithkary So glad to hear you had positive experiences going to the games. Thanks for the support!

chantel66 5 pts

Good for you! If it had continued, and you truly felt threatened, you should have gone to security and asked them to take them out. Happens all the time at the hockey games I used to go to -- men with too much beer think they know everything and women turn into giggling bimbos. I think you absolutely did the right thing and your husband should have supported you.

thedude 5 pts

As you said, there are people like this at these games. The problem is the bad guys are always in the other jerseys, so I hope their team affiliation doesn't make you have assumptions about the whole fan base. Anyway, usually there is a texting service for bad fans at these games where you can have someone handle it for you, so that you and your family don't have to be put in that position, but rather an usher will do it for you.

Mona Gable 14 pts

thedude Thanks for your comment. As it happens, there was a very nice couple from Wisconsin sitting on the other side of me. And plenty of other perfectly behaved Wisconsin fans near us. Someone else told me about the testing service, so thanks for mentioning it. Not that I'll need it....

Ashleigh Burroughs 19 pts

Bravo! Another mother with a mouth - I love it! I would have done the same thing you did, and my kids would've had the same reactions. My inclination if they kept on with inappropriate behavior would have been to get security - as I see the other commenters noted. Sometimes you just need some help <3

Taking on drunks is dangerous. Sitting stil and seeming to condone bad behavior is also dangerous - to the spirit. You were teaching your kids a great lesson, even if your husband didn't back you up. Sitting by and letting it go unpunished would have been reprehensible. It is not who you are..

a/b

Mona Gable 14 pts

Ashleigh Burroughs Thanks so much for the support, Ashleigh. I felt I was in a terrible position. Either I could just sit there and take it, or tell those jerks as nicely as I could that I didn't appreciate their ugly banter. I really thought hard about what i should do. Someone suggested I should have asked my husband before I said something to them. Which seems to me sort of patronizing. Again, like you need to ask permission from a man to speak your mind.

elaineR.N. 441 pts

They were idiots and you said something to address their drunken insulting junk mouths. I am surprised, pleasantly, that at least they picked up your sunglasses, as it means that in their own disgusting way, they heard you. I relayed the scenario to my husband and asked if he would've said something. He said: "It depends on how big they were!!" Then he said, probably not, as that might fuel them even further. Annoying, but not worth the physical altercation.

In any case, you did and I wouldn't second guess it, as I believe it was the right thing. Too bad others didn't also.

About going again, I would. If you don't they will be taking more away from you then destroying a good family outing.

redwritinghood 12 pts

I think they were just asshats. I don't think it was focused to being mysoginistic... just regular, run of the mill asshats. They get to be jerks about everything, women, size, politics... anything NOT THEM.

Good for you for saying something.

Although I didn't realizing being a feminist meant I couldn't also like football!

Mona Gable 14 pts

redwritinghood Thanks for the support. Yes, they were asshats. What a perfect word! But i do think there's a misogynistic element to football, having grown up in a family of football fanatics. Though I don't think it means as a feminist you can't like football! Several women in my family do.

Healing with Athena 5 pts

redwritinghood This one really nails it. These guys were against anything that challenges them to be better men... which is just about everything they encounter all the time. Lazy and slovenly behavior and character speaks for itself.

undeterrable 7 pts

I believe that had every right to tell them stop. I'm not sure I would have done the same, mostly due to the safety factor.

I HATE that I have to feel afraid to say anything or stand up for myself for fear that some jerk will get violent. It happens all the time when I run - guys feel the need to make some comment. I'll have a witty retort ready to go, but I never say it because "what if..." Will he try to prove something? Am I ready to fight?

Mona Gable 14 pts

undeterrable I'm so sorry that you feel afraid when you're out and some guy hassles you. It's just awful that women have to censor themselves out of fear. I think part of why I said something is because I'm older, in my 50s, and I have much more confidence than I did when I was younger. It didn't occur to me to be afraid, which is probably not very bright. Because fights do break out at these events. But I'm just not willing to tolerate bad behavior anymore.

Stacy Morrison 53 pts

Mona Gableundeterrable Mona, you are my hero. I am outspoken, unshy, dedicated to helping all victims of abuse in much of my personal time--and yet, I would have been afraid to say anything, too. But your calm, civil way of stating the truth--"Your language is offending me"--is really a wake-up call for me. I'm on it! I will use my words to help silence--or at least quiet--those whose words offend me.

Mona Gable 14 pts

Stacy Morrisonundeterrable @stacy I am so flattered, honored, really, by your praise. I think many of us are so beaten down, so worried or afraid about what other people might say or think, that we often keep silent when we shouldn't. It's like Nora Ephron once said: it's almost like women need a re-education program.

At The Lake 5 pts

I think that its unfortunate that you're going to allow two drunken idiots amongst a stadium of nearly 100,000 to have such a big impact on your experience and cause you to never again attend such an event. There is no way to condone what these guys did and you're right, you shouldn't have tolerated it. That said, there is a really easy way to deal with these situations, and thats to find security, who will escort these people out of the stadium.

Unfortunately this stuff happens at sporting events. People drink, some people drink too much, and at times, normally pleasant people (as well as normally boorish people) act totally inappropriately and have a negative impact on those around them. This is why stadiums employ folks in yellow jackets. Many stadiums also have texting services where you can report unruly behavior and location via text message. Again, stadiums have tens of thousands of people...some have over 100,000, and the vast majority of the fans are great, but there are a handful who aren't. Deal with them as you wish... its not a moral or political thing, some people just get drunk and act like jerks. Stadium security will promptly deal with it.

Rita Arens 104 pts

I am glad you spoke up, Mona. And I think -- as you pointed out -- that they heard you. The face the guy handed your sunglasses to you without comment means he heard you.

Mona Gable 14 pts

Rita Arens Thanks for being in my cheerleading section, Rita!

outlawserenade 6 pts

Why should you not want to go anymore? Drunk or no drunk, they should not be determining how you enjoyed the day. Personally, I think your husband was being a wuss. If there's anything that needed to be stood up for more than that, it's to protect his family by all and any means. You've said that 22 people were arrested for being drunk in public. That would mean that reporting them and have them arrested for disorderly conduct the more easier. I also agree with Ms. Gena Haskett , you ought to always be prepared for the worst.

With that, I salute you for standing up for your rights of comfort in watching the game. Don't ever change. =)

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NateErickson
NateErickson

MSUScottW jfavreau That made my blood boil.

jfavreau
jfavreau

NateErickson Yes but isn't there a code of conduct for fans? She should have told someone at the arena. MSUScottW

NateErickson
NateErickson

jfavreau MSUScottW Absolutely. They should've been kicked out. Shame on the husband for not sticking up, but to each his own.

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Lee Ryan Laughlin
Lee Ryan Laughlin

I would have gone to security.

Start Right: Build Your Own Business
Start Right: Build Your Own Business

Standing up for other humans being treated well is always the right thing to do. Those men's actions are painful and sad.

Barbara Romio
Barbara Romio

Unfortunately, there's always that element, in public places, and they'll rear their ugly heads, at any time. Humanity, I'm reading Genesis, right now in my One Year Bible, (love it.) . Read what it says.

Corina Klies
Corina Klies

I remember that our band played at a game in Cincinnati, and drunk men were talking sexually about the female cheerleaders. I wasn't even a feminist yet, but I remember feeling hurt and angry that those men had no regard for women. And yes, I have been around sexist crap where the men I thought would speak up did not and were irritated by my actions - painful and sad.

Monique Gionet
Monique Gionet

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Jennifer Zupko Spaeth
Jennifer Zupko Spaeth

My husband has also gotten irritated at me for standing my ground. It just makes me even more angry. Were they drunk? Yes. Does that give them the right to act the way they did? No. They probably actually believe what they were saying and I think ti is just fine to correct idiotic behavior especially if it is interfering with your enjoyment of the activity at hand.

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Monique Gionet it's working for me - the site was down for just a couple of minutes, that might be why you got that message. - Denise

Lorrie Wallace O&amp;#39;Reilly
Lorrie Wallace O&amp;#39;Reilly

I would of given them a piece of my mind, but I don't understand this comment "I went because my fine feminist daughter, despite all that I have taught her, is an unrepentant fan." What is wrong with being a fan of football or any other sport? There are many women who are faithful football watchers it, has nothing to do with being a feminist....

Amy Green
Amy Green

As a Wisconsin native myself I am so sad and embarrassed by these men's behavior. I am glad she stood up for women. I would like to think I would take the same stand as she did.

Monique Gionet
Monique Gionet

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