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If You Do That One More Time, I'll Do Absolutely Nothing

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The First Rule of Parenting is: "Thou shalt not judge other parents." It is, of course, broken with impunity by... oh, everyone. Including me, as I proceed to Rule #2: "Thou shalt not make a threat thou ist not prepared to follow through on."

Bad Shakespearean-ese aside, why do people do that? "If you don't eat your dinner you'll get no dessert!" Except that you're out at a restaurant and you want dessert, and you'll look like the world's worst schmuck if you get a brownie sundae and your kid sits there watching you eat it through teary eyes, so you get him dessert anyway.

"If you don't behave we're going home right now!" Really? You're going to yank the kid out of the amusement park you just blew a mortgage payment on, after an hour of standing on line for one ride? Or are you going to suddenly pretend you don't see her acting up?

"Okay, if you do that one more time you're going to your room!" He did it five more times and he's still downstairs. Because you can't count, you forgot you ever made the threat or you don't want to look like a mean old parent in front of the company?

Baseball gameThe best was the lovely family in back of us at the Yankee game recently, and by "lovely" I mean so unbelievably irritating that I remembered why non-parent types tend to cringe when they see small children. The kid -- I'm estimating about five -- bounced around so much he poked me in the back a few times. Then he didn't want his hot dog. Mommy: "Have a little more. Are you sure you don't want some more hot dog? How about some more hot dog?" Then he wouldn't pose for a photo. Mommy: "No, sweetie, look at the camera, no, over here, smile at Daddy, no, smile at Daddy, look at Daddy, no, not over there, okay, we need to do it again." (News flash, honey: They don't pose for photos. My daughter inevitably smiles right after the shutter clicks. Get used to candid shots.) Then he threw his water bottle, getting DH across the back. And Mommy said, "If you don't stop, you are going to get the biggest time out!"

DH and I were analyzing that one later -- what qualifies as a "biggest" time out? Is that more time than your average time out? Is it a time out plus hard labor? Do you lose visitation rights?

Alas, we'll never know, since little Mr. Ants in My Pants never got any kind of time out. DH did get an apology from Daddy, and they eventually moved down a few rows to unclaimed seats for a better look at Swishalicious (aka Nick Swisher), which may have been the first time any of them was actually watching the game.

Even better: Mommy actually asked the kid, a few innings in, if he wanted to go, and he said "Yes." The woman with them -- Auntie? Friend? -- said she was fine with that. And yet they stayed anyway, because, clearly, Daddy wasn't ready to go yet. Hey thanks, Daddy.

The thing is, when you keep making unrealistic threats, or threats you're obviously not going to follow through on, the kid catches on, and then you are sunk.

Have I done it? Sure. And regretted it instantly after. But the wonderful thing about time outs, I've found, is that you can do them anywhere. We were at a Trenton Thunder game a few weeks back, and my son was acting up, and I ended up pulling him out into the hallway and making him stand, facing the wall, for a few minutes until he cooled off. He had a tantrum at the beach this week and I pulled him over to the fence for a time out on the sand. He was misbehaving in a restaurant yesterday and we went outside for a time out on the sidewalk. Because he's four, and he acts like it, and I don't want him to still be acting like it when he's eight.

And I do think parents whose bluff gets repeatedly called on them steadily lose authority over their kids, and I'd hate to see what those kids will be like when they're eight.

I'd say it's not my problem, but it is when they're sitting behind me at Yankee Stadium.

 

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aym 5 pts

Hee, ThatAnneGirl. I have yet to bring them on a plane -- the thought terrifies me -- but I could see the airplane toilet working as a good threat.

And that's a good strategy, misskitty -- I wouldn't have thought of that. I would've just skipped dessert myself. (Because there's ice cream in the freezer at home. Heh.)

ThatAnneGirl 5 pts

I have actually been at the zoo with my kids, and made the threat, "I you don't stop____, then we will go home!" DD continued to do it. So, I said, "Okay, we're going home." DD started begging me to stay, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry! I'll stop!" Mean Mummy: "No, sweety. You're too late. We're going home." She was mortified.

And I would also eat the dessert in front of my kids, to show them that I mean it.

One thing I do with my kids when we are out, is use the stroller for time out. If they are acting out, they have to sit in the stroller. Strapped in snugly until they stop. It's why I love my double stroller.

It's actually DS that I have the biggest problems with. Nothing works with him when a meltdown starts. Normally he's my easier going guy - I can tell him to stand on his head and he'll do it. But if a tantrum starts, I pretty much just have to stroll him away kicking and screaming and hope he wears himself out sooner than later.

When we are traveling (which we do a lot), the toilet on the airplane is our secret weapon... "don't make me take you to the bathroom!!" The kids calm down real quick. ;-)

misskitty_79 5 pts

"Except that you're out at a restaurant and you want dessert, and you'll look like the world's worst schmuck if you get a brownie sundae and your kid sits there watching you eat it through teary eyes, so you get him dessert anyway."

No, you don't. Skipping dessert eliminates the punishment, reneging on your threat is worse still. You order what you want, eat two bites of it while he watches, w/ those teary eyes, & then ask to have the rest to go. Once home, a calm discussion about why he didn't get dessert leads to him apologizing for whatever & you sharing the remainder of the dessert w/ him.

aym 5 pts

I would love to put some parents in time out. Maybe we could carry little penalty cards around like they use in soccer? 1 point for making useless threats, 3 points for letting them run around in a restaurant, 5 points for bringing them into an R-rated movie with you ...

fouragainsttwo 7 pts

I think we all fall for the trap at one point or another with making false threats. The key is to make it a realistic consequence. If you make a threat like "I'll take you out of the store right now if you don't stop" then do it. It will only take once or twice and your child will know you mean business. Yes, you may have to leave your grocery cart full in the cereal isle,but sometimes it has to be done. I think one of the reasons the "No Children Allowed" movement is gaining popularity is because parents don't follow through with consequences. I hate hearing parents threatening the kids then they just let them continue with the bad behavior. I want to put the parents in time out!

Ruth Pfeiffer 6 pts

A lot of parents fall into that trap of not following up on their threats to their children when they mis-behave and that is a big mistake. To coin an old phrase, if your going to "talk the talk" then you need to "walk the walk". kids need to know that the parent is the authority and there is consequences to their actions. It's never easy to punish your child but it is a necessary action on the parents part so always follow up on what you say. Please visit http://www.babiestotoddler.com we carry quality furniture, strollers, bedding, toys and accessories for your baby and toddler to help grow them into a responsible adult.

jmwclark 8 pts

Love, love, love this! I don't understand why parents are fearful of discipline in front of other people. We have done time-outs in the following locales: restaurants, the mall, HS football game (where my spouse works), beach, minor league baseball game, even the zoo. I am not afraid of telling him that a time-out will happen and following through. If someone wants to give me the stink-eye, bring it on. Would they rather he be loud, obnoxious, and unpleasant to be around?! I sm raising a boy to be a man, not man-child!

JennaHatfield 13 pts

I'm the butthead parent who will deny a child dessert while I eat mine -- or a variation thereof as I don't really like many dessert foods. Example: The other night my oldest son lost his Wii privilege. So he had to sit and watch while the rest of us got to play a few races of Mario Kart. He learned his lesson. He was sad, but he also didn't want to throw a fit about it because he knew that it was his wrong-doing that lead to the no games.

aym 5 pts

Thanks! I'm glad I'm not the only one. I haven't done the in-car time out yet but I'm sure I will at some point.

I was actually recommended a book called "123 Magic" about how to effectively discipline your child, and I've been following that. The book absolutely says you can do a time out anywhere. I have no problem with being Mean Mommy.

crazykindofmom 5 pts

I couldn't agree more! If you threaten it, then you have to follow through. This is something that bothers me when I witness another parent do and not carry through with the punishment. Those kids definitely learn something, that they CAN DO whatever they want.

I have withheld going to birthday parties, walked out of stores, gave time outs in restaurants, stores and even pulled my car over to correct bad behavior. I AM the parent.

Great article.

texasebeth 6 pts

My husband does this constantly and then wonders why Charlie won't listen/obey him like he does me! Drives me nuts! Or Hubby will try to get me to enforce a super over top too harsh punishment that I don't agree with for some small infraction. Charlie cut something he shouldn't with his safety scissors one day and my husband told Charlie he could never use scissors again. Seriously - ever again?

I have missed parties, left the grocery store mid-shopping, and other things but my child can not respect me as a parent if I do not back up my words with actions. I wouldn't, why shoud he? Plus it is not doing the kid or parents any favors in the long run as you pointed out. Charlie knows the behavior rules and the consequences. Does he still act up occasionally? Yes, he is 6 years old. Does he like the consequences? No but he knows it won't change either. It's the crappy part of being a parent.

DesiValentine4 20 pts

Hear hear! With my kids and my crew I always do what I say I'm going to do - all the time, no matter what - because it takes FAR longer to earn trust than it does to lose it. That means I've had to miss out on the end of family parties, skip desert, and watch my children cry with the full knowledge that I could make it all better just like that. If I don't hold my ground, though, they won't learn what trust and responsibility are. And they WILL act just like that kid at the ball game. Great post!

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Julie A. Potts
Julie A. Potts

That is most certainly the truth. Don't threaten something you are unable to follow through with in public. I only give one warning that if the behaviour doesn't improve then we are leaving, and if it doesn't improve we leave - even if we have to have our food order changed to takeout.