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Ike Turner: Legendary Musician or Wife Abuser?

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As most of you probably know (or if you even care), musician Ike Turner died last week. Most notably the ex-husband of singer / actress Tina Turner, he was also a legendary band leader and guitarist, known for creating the first black rock n’ roll record (which is interesting to me, at least). But when I heard on the news that he passed, I shrugged my shoulders and went on my merry way. Why? Probably the same reasons that a number of women did: His reputation as a vitriolic wife beater overshadowed his musical talent.

Even though we go to the movies to escape from reality for a couple of hours and we know that even true stories are sensationalized, or ‘sexed up’ to keep our attention, I remember when I saw What’s Love Got to Do With It and feeling a bit frightened and disturbed. The scenes of brutality were bone-chilling. How could a woman endure that?

After the movie, Turner was basically blacklisted, even though he initially denied his abuse of Tina. And Tina became more commercially successful than Ike had ever been. A sweet revenge? Probably so, but not anything directed at Ike, it was just Tina doing her own thing, minus the physical, verbal and mental abuse.

A number of bloggers picked up the announcement of his death, focusing on what Ike should be remembered as – an abuser or a musician? According to The Angry Black Woman the lack of empathy for his passing might be because he never publicly apologized for beating his wife:

If he did admit what he did, make an apology, and other such things in that direction, then yeah, I think we can then focus on the positive aspects of his life. But if he has spent all these years denying what he did and possibly going on to do it to other people, then no. I don’t give a flying fuck how much good music he made in that case. I really don’t.
I am tired of people using the “But he was a great artist” line whenever someone who is, otherwise, a despicable human being, writes a song or a book or a poem that they like. I hate to break Godwin’s Law here, but even Hitler wrote some nice poetry and drew some pretty pictures (and he was nice to animals).

If you read some of the comments to this post (the comments on ABW’s blog are always interesting) there are actually people who debate whether the abuse was ‘really that bad.’

a well worn saying comes to mind…
‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’
judgement is all too easy to pass and is a big problem in our society. is physical abuse any different to mental?
I’ll be remembering the man for his music. if you want to hear some I’m laying down a week long musical tribute on my musical diary

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right? That’s debatable. If this was Jerry Lee Lewis, would there be the same apathy? Third State Sunday Review's (link below) Ava and CI take great offense to some of the articles written by men, most notably this one by Danny Schechter:

He was a genius, a dark genius perhaps—and that’s not a racial reference. When I did the first national story on Tina’s comeback for ABC’s 20/20, I sought him out to give his side of the story, The truth is that the drugs deranged him although I can testify that he shared the powder with many.
Ike’s fall was tragic. As a Buddhist, Tina must have compassion for him and has probably forgiven him because of the children they had together. I, for one, was glad to know before the troubles and hard luck and cocaine brought him down. Ike was Tina’s mentor. He was a great talent and never fully got his due. I am as glad I knew him as I was in working with Tina. We met a t WBCN in Boston. Both let me into their lives years later for which I am greatful.(sic)

Okay. The ladies over at the Third Estate Sunday Review have a point:

Ike Turner was born scum and died scum. B-b-but, he was an artist! That's the cry from the Ike Defenders. In between birth and death, he robbed others of songwriting credit, tormented musicians, broke all union rules by levying 'fines' on backup singers that were only designed to enrich his own pockets, recorded a ton

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Marilyn 5 pts

I believe he should be remembered as both. I defend nothing he did in his life off-stage...AND, like many black artists, his contribution to America's biggest musical export (rock & roll) has always been overshadowed in favor of people like Elvis (who would not have been the artist he was without being heavily influenced by the black artists around him). Ike didn't just pen the first BLACK rock & roll record...it's considered by many to be the first rock & roll record PERIOD. He was obviously a man with many demons...some nasty-ass people make some incredible music. I met Ike. My mate performed with him many times (but was not in Ike's band...I made it clear I didn't want him to do that...Ike special guested many times with a band my mate was in.) What Ike did to Tina was horrific. AND I believe that musically she would not have blossomed into the artist she became without his musical influence early in her career...which is why I believe his contribution to the art form should be acknowledged.

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Bridget Magnus 5 pts

In answer to your title question: yes.

Kim Pearson 5 pts

In my post ( http://professorkim.blogspot.com/2007/12/ike-turne... ) on I ke Turner's death, I wrote about his musical accomplishments, including the Grammy he got earlier this year. I concluded:

"I used to play Proud Mary all the time. I wonder how I would have felt if I had known that he was beating her at the time. Now, I look at him, and I think of contemporary popular artists who demonstrate contempt for women in their songs, performances and off-stage behavior. It's hard to consider Ike Turner's place in music without thinking about the violence that continues to be perpetrated against women every day, and justified in what passes for art these days. Ike Turner's bass intro on Proud Mary still moves me, but with sadness. I look in his face now, and I see Snoop Dogg."

Kim
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Gena Haskett 6 pts

He never really overcame his biggest demon - the drugs. Drugs help you do really bad things and not remember them. If you don't remember the chaos you caused then how can you be accountable?

There is no question Ike made contributions to music. Part of my growing up was listing to the group and if I was lucky seeing them on TV. The band was a touchstone for many of us at the time.

His reputation was dicey long before the movie. In fact, Tina had to go through a lot of public humiliation because she didn't make the situation public right away. It wasn't like she left him and sold her story to the tabloids. When she was ready she told her truth. She only told it when she was on top of her game.

Let's look at it another way. I didn't see a bunch of women stepping forward to defend Ike's memory. It seems to be a group of men folk that really didn't know him. The guys in the band, anyone heard from those gentlemen?

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nellewrites 6 pts

Which is why it is such a great subject to delve into.

When I heard of his death, the first thought that popped into my head was about his awful treatment of Tina. I'm pretty certain anyone who posts on this space has little use for abuse and abusers, and I'm no different.

There is another part of me that threw out a 'whoa!' message after the initial negatives played through my head. I'm a firm believer in Pema Chodron's stated "Everybody has the potential, without exception - every living being has the potential to awaken."

Since I've not followed Ike and his doings, I knew not whether he had come clean, faced this issue, apologised, and worked for better. Maybe he did, and hope he did.

In the end, as a feminist there is that part of me which stands militant in the face of abuse. And standing with that feminist is the spiritualist who embraces Pema's mantra. Ike, I surely hope you came to understand why we feel the way we do.

That said, when I hear say... Proud Mary, what I hear is Tina, and she is well deserving of primary honours for the brilliant work produced during that time. Not a slight on Ike, just fact.

nelle ( http://www.nelle2nelle.org/ )

theprisonerswife 5 pts

(love that quote from the movie lol)

Although I was moved by Ike's supposed ass whoopin in the film, I have to take it all with a grain of salt. Movies are sensationalized & all that drama happened LONG before i was even born.

the fact that he may have been a despicable person does not negate the fact that he completely changed the music game. he was a pioneer, as was Tina, and should be remembered as one of rock & rolls (and black music's) greatest, and as a very troubled man.

it's funny...when we look at Marvin Gaye, we don't focus on WHY his daddy shot him. we don't focus on the drug abuse or the parental abuse, we mourn the loss of his voice, his talent. i think had this movie not been made, we wouldn't even be having the discussion. why do some get completely demonized, and others do not?

if we take a look back throughout the history of music, or pop culture for that matter, how many of our "heroes" would really be left standing?

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Kuri 5 pts

I honestly don't understand why he can't be remember for both these things.

- Kuri
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