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Impostor Syndrome: Would You Pay Your Dead Relative's Debts?

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Increasingly debt collectors are going after the living to pay the debts of the departed. In many cases the family members these debt collectors contact have no legal obligation whatsoever to pay the debts. This article however reveals that some pay it out of a desire to honor the dead or help them "to rest easy, knowing their obligations are taken care of."

While there are many interesting issues this news raises, one that struck me is the idea that, even when dead, we sometimes want for ourselves and for our loved ones to have their external reality and image to match our self-image. I wondered why someone would go into debt themselves, seek a second job or come out of retirement in some extreme cases so that their deceased relative would not be thought of as a deadbeat even if they were in fact someone who could not pay their debts or leave an estate that could cover the expenses. Consider this person given as an example:

A man has left credit card debt of $26,693.77, the legacy of a battle with cancer. A widow says her husband “had no money. He pretty much just had debt.” Asked about an outstanding account of $1,084.86, a woman says the deceased had no property beyond “some tools in the garage” and an 18-year-old Dodge.

I can certainly understand that there are many who feel that a debt is an obligation that morally should be honored. I think that is an admirable value. But do I think that this man's widow should come up with money she does not have because death prevented her husband from repaying his debt just to maintain his morals after death? Absolutely not. His death is not a dishonorable excuse for not paying his bills. And the credit card companies made a contract with him. They have to be aware that this is a possible outcome and account for it in their business planning. Either that or only advance credit to those they are certain have sufficient liquid assets so that their estate can pay upon death.

It seems that the collectors have this self-image disconnect, as well:

About half of DCM’s hires do not make it past the first 90 days. For those who survive, many tools help them deal with stress: yoga classes and foosball tables, a rotating assortment of free snacks as well as full-scale lunches twice a month. A masseuse comes in regularly to work on their heads and necks.

If this job felt right, righteous and moral I suspect they would not have a 50% turnover rate every 3 months.

So why do we do things like this? Why do we care what people think of us? And why are we so often convinced that if we do not behave as expected or in ways that we perceive will get others to think of us in the way that we want to be seen that somehow we are frauds and failures?

There are a number of names and reasons. One is that we do not believe that we are in fact good enough, smart enough and doggone it, people like us. Or we don't like what we see in the mirror or in photos others love of us.  Some call it Obligation or Imposter Syndrome. Regardless of how it is named, it is a trap, a prison that limits us from being happy and truly successful in life.

I work at overcoming Impostor Syndrome all the time. The Wikipedia article linked says it particularly affects graduate students and women. In that case, as a female graduate student three-peat, I am no doubt Queen Impostor. But I work at building my self awareness and self esteem in healthy ways. And, should I be struck dead tomorrow and my student loan holders come knocking on my parent's or sister's door, I hope they won't feel an obligation to help me rest easy because that's my job.

Would you feel obligated to pay a relative's debt if you were not legally obligated to do so? Would you you want them to ensure that you retain your values in death as in life? Do you ever feel like an impostor and behave in ways designed to get others to think you are a better person than you believe yourself to be? How do you accept that you are indeed as fabulous as those around you believe?

Related Reading?

Tara Kuther, Ph.D. at About.com: Graduate School - The Impostor Syndrome: Are You

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shelleyp 5 pts

It helps to have people publish this activity, so people are aware and prepared. Hopefully over time, these debt collectors won't find such easy pickings. Thank you for publishing the story.

Maria Niles 5 pts

Thanks for this comment, Shelley. I am very much in agreement.

When people pay less than honorable or honest debt collectors, they not only do not help themselves, or the dead, they hurt others by funding this behavior.

shelleyp 5 pts

The debt is a contract between the debt holder and the debtor. When a person dies, debts are paid from the estate. If the estate is not large enough, the debit isn't paid. This is the law of this land.

The companies know this, but still call the people up within a day or two after a person has died, in order to catch them when most vulnerable. Why on earth would anyone think this type of behavior should be rewarded?

First, the debt companies are in violation of the FDCPA, because they're only allowed to contact the initial debtor. Second, there is a procedure in place to handle debt payment after death, which the companies are trying to bypass. Lastly, to call people when they are vulnerable...the debt collector talks of "honor", when it's obvious, they have none.

When people pay less than honorable or honest debt collectors, they not only do not help themselves, or the dead, they hurt others by funding this behavior. Think well of a person paying these debts? I'd actually think worse of them.

Nordette Adams 6 pts

I started writing the comment, had a computer issue, had to copy and paste part of it again, and so that's why my first comment has broken lines. But I'm thinking I saw your para with links and then forgot it when I started reposting the comment because I focused on your conclusion and how much I don't like debt collectors. :-)  Thanks for the link.  The older I get, the harder it is to multi-task.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

And I actually linked to it above (but with different language than your post title). :)

Zombie debt - heh, good catch! Yeah, the seeming lack of ethics in debt collection practices was why this idea of paying it out of a sense of "keeping up appearances" struck me.

Thanks so much for your comment!

Nordette Adams 6 pts

How do you accept that you are indeed as fabulous as those around you believe?

I posted that question from your post because it struck me that you and I were on the same wavelength this week, but went at a similar topic differently.  I asked that type of question in my Tuesday post "Woman in the Mirror: Why Don't We Love Her ( http://www.blogher.com/woman-mirror-why-dont-we-lo... )?"

No, I would not pay my deceased loved one's debts.  I've got my own. But
then I loathe debt collectors because only a handful of them seem to be
ethical and follow the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, and for all I know, if I got a call about deceased loved one's debt, I could be dealing with a zombie debt ( http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt... ) collector, which in some ways is another kind of impostor.  In the case of calling about debts of the dead, it seems debt collectors are taking zombie debt to a whole new level.

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mashadutoit 5 pts

Thanks I enjoyed reading this.

I can really empathise with someone wanting to pay such a debt, but like you - believe that it is not necessary for honour,  to use a really old fashioned word.

I was interested in what you wrote about "imposter syndrome".  I was not aware of it, but it makes sense.

In a sort of dishonest version of it - I often try to make people think I am less driven, hard working and skilled than I actualy am.  I think they will judge me as a sort of goody two shoes, or will feel threatened by me.  Sort of sad, really. 

Maria Niles 5 pts

Thanks for your kind words, mashadutoit. I'm glad you enjoyed the post.

And I understand your version of imposter syndrome - I'm freakishly curious about a wide range of things so as a kid my classmates would call me a "know it all" because I liked to talk about all the different things I read about. But since it was perceived as a negative I learned to hide it. I really think now that reaction can be a projection of someone's insecurities so I'm more open but still cautious if I think someone is reacting negatively I sometimes still pull back.

It's a tough one. But I hope you know that you can shine your light as brightly as possible around here at BlogHer. We appreciate smart, driven, hard working and skilled women!

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