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Is it a joke, or is it hatred disguised in Biblical language?

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Over the past few days, a Biblical verse has reportedly topped the google trends charts. It is also turning up in bumper stickers and tee shirts across the country. It reads:

“Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8”

But what do you see when you look up that Psalm?

“May his days be few; may another take his office.”

But take a look at the whole psalm, especially the lines immediately after this one -- lines the original framer of this sticker -- and many others after him/her could not have failed to miss:

9 May his children be fatherless
and his wife a widow.

10 May his children be wandering beggars;
may they be driven from their ruined homes.

Diana Butler Bass in her blog on Sojourner's Magazine says "Thus, the “Prayer for Obama” does more than anticipate that he leaves office; it entreats God to destroy the president."

Grandma'Retta says wisely:

Exactly how long is it going to take us to figure out the danger of linking faith claims and violent fantasies?

Frank Shaeffer was interviewed on the Rachel Maddow Show. Ms Madow describes Mr Shaeffer thusly "...Frank Schaeffer, whose father Francis Schaeffer helped shape the evangelical movement in the United States. Mr. Schaeffer grew up in the religious far-right. He’s the author of ‘Patience With God: Faith For People Who Don’t Like Religion Or Atheism.” Here is a long but very important quote from that interview, the full text of which can be found here

SCHAEFFER: "...This is the American version of the Taliban. The Taliban quotes the Qu'ran, and al Qaeda quotes certain verses in the Qu'ran, in or out of context, calling for jihad, and bloody war, and the curse of Allah on infidels. This is the Old Testament, Biblical equivalent of calling for holy war. Now, most Americans'll just see the bumper sticker and smile and think that it's facetious. Unfortunately, there are 22 million Americans or so who call themselves super-conservative evangelicals. Of this, a small minority might be violent. But, the general atmosphere here is really getting heated.

And what surprises me is that responsible, if you can put it that way, Republican leadership and the editors of some of these Christian magazines, etc. etc., do not stand up in holy horror and denounce this. You know, they're always asking 'Where is the Islamic leadership denouncing terrorism? Why aren't the moderates speaking out?' Well, I challenge the folks who I used to work with... I would just say to them: 'Where the hell are you? This is not funny anymore. And be it on your head if something happens to our President..."

The unholy linkage between any hate sentiments and the trappings of religion are disgusting to me. I love my faith. I am tired of having the word "Christian" link up to hate mongers.

So are Steve and Andrea LaMott. They say:

1. This passage is taken out of context- Taken out of context, one can make the Bible say just about anything you want. This is very dangerous. This Psalm of David a song about one of David's enemy- asking God to help him even this person is showing him evil. Is President Obama really an enemy? There may be some who disagree with his (or any President's) politics, but does that really make him the enemy, or someone at the opposite end of the table?
2. Another Example of Christians Being Negative- It seems, from the article, that there are Christians buying into this passage and bumper sticker. Why do we, as Christians, always have to be negative? If we put as much time into praying for President Obama and all our leaders as we do in complaining about them, I believe our nation and leaders would look different because there would be countless people on their knees intercessing on our leaders behalf rather than complaining (which accomplishes nothing).

Polycarp created a stunning post about the rise of and legitimization of right-wing hatred in America, concluding:

While surely, this would never happen here in this great country of ours (it has before, here and other places) the main point – the only point of this exercise is to show case the rising hate in this country by those who reportedly claim Christ. Hate is being legitimized – and it is not a long walk from hate to hateful actions.

Last week I blogged about the 71st anniversary of Kristallnacht, the beginning of the Holocaust. That night was a trial balloon sent

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

This is a good and important post, Mata. I saw it go through my mail but didn't realize until now what scripture is being invoked for this "prayer." I can only think of what Jesus said that many will come to me and say "Lord, Lord" didn't I do thus and so in your name, and boy, does he have a few scary words for them.

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Mata H 5 pts

I checked out the link you sent -- this is fine news that 2 sites have stopped selling this horrible material. Thanks for sharing it with us all.

-- Mata

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

BarbD 5 pts

Mata,

I forwarded your email to my significant other, who shared with me this Think Progress post ( http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/21/cafe-press-pra... ) about Cafe Press deciding to remove all Psalm 109 merchandise from their site (after some waffling).

A move in the right direction.

BarbD
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Mata H 5 pts

I agree. No matter on which side of the conservative/liberal theological fence one finds oneself, hatred should never be on the agenda. I believe that with my whole heart.

  ~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Gwendolyn Hudson 5 pts

I guess when religion, politics, ethics, and culture intersect, the traffic at the crossroads gets heavy, the congestion dense, and the heated opinions fly. I still think it's a scary hate full bumpersticker, I don't think I lack a snarky sense of humor, and I don't think all conservative Christians are bad, that it is perfectly possible to take the Bible literally and actually pay attention to the commandments to love, not to judge, and to tell the truth.

Gwendolyn Hudson Lauterbach

Vita lingus 5 pts

There is no you there is no me there is only US ... Love begets love fear begets fear and anger and violence must be addressed swiftly and immediately

Vita lingus 5 pts

Well you know what I think about this Denise and Virginia is correct so lets continue to educate the community about when to engage and when not to ,,,, However I suggest there may well be room for improvement in the strategy for selection to join and I suggest the comments left on this post  do indeed step over the boundaries of the policy......Vita

Mata H 5 pts

Amen to you both. I love that bumper sticker..."no exceptions". Indeed.

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Candelaria Silva 5 pts

Hatred, violence, ignorance under any guise - religious, political, intellectual - must be illuminated for what it is: destructive.  I'm about pushing peace and productivity, joy and love.  As the bumper sticker I once saw on a car say, "God bless everyone, no exceptions."

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Good and plenty!

AskNowAmerica 5 pts

I have read the posts about this seemingly covert threat being directed towards our president, with great seriousness, about what is being stated, using biblical overtures. The initiator of this scripture, as well as all of the "proponents," obviously, have not read the entire 13th Chapter of Romans.  Further, the scripture,..."Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; they put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter." (Isaiah 5:20) Or, ..."For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind (calamity, disaster, consequence, etc) - Hosea 8:7  Nothwithstanding..."Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever one sows, that shall one also reap." (Galatians 6:7)  And concluding, "And a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." (Mark 3:25)

The electorate in our great country has spoken in a unified voice, and elected Barack H. Obama, as President of the United States!  For those, who cannot accept this, you will have another chance, less than four (4) years from now!

"The unceasing fervent prayers of the righteous avail much."  Let us all pray for our president, to charter the course of protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States of America, and the freedom we endear to enjoy, as a free nation.  God Bless America!

Myinterpretation 5 pts

I am at a loss for words. 

This is appalling.

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Mata H 5 pts

That is why I love the quote (slightly edited) attributed to Edmund Burke:

"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing."

--mata

Mata H 5 pts

While many of the people promoting that verse would claim to be "evangelicals", not all evangelicals would approve.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Stepping up is exactly what people of faith need to oo. The climate is changing these days. It is not the time to let such things slide. I'm having long talks with the Almighty on this one, too.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I mean no disrespect to the faith but somewhere, some how the basic tenant of "love" and "love beyond measure" has gotten lost. My late paternal grandmother would be heart sick at what is being passed around as acceptable hate speech wrapped in a psalm.

It is still not too late for people of faith to stop this madness. It is madness. If five or more people show up with this on their car bumper then that church has failed in its teaching.

If people don't step up within the faith to say "Have you lost your freaking mind?" or loving words to that effect, then there is nothing that non-Christians can do but step away and watch our backs.

There will be people grinning from ear to ear wearing that t-shirt. I will look at them and try really hard not to hate but I can't say I'm going to be able to look upon them with agape love either.

It will be all I can do to control my anger.

I'm gonna have to talk to Spirit about this.  Historically this is very familiar and I did not like those chapters in my history books. Specifically 1963 to 1968.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Vita lingus 5 pts

I suggest these people have not read " Dreams from my father " which is divine articulate visionary and inclusive ,,,,Or in fact "The  audacity of Hope "... They are too busy living in fear of the other

Vita lingus 5 pts

that is all so true ,,,the more others speak up and speak about integrity compassion and love of the other it gives those who speak with fear and hatred less power ....We are what wish to become so lets become better and better not more fearful and full of hatred

nettalyce 5 pts

Nettalyce.  You can read more about me at nettalyce.blogspot.com.

Obviously,  these bumper stickers are way over the line and they do appear to be taken out of context.  I also don't agree with a lot of Obama's presidential decisions and I think some of them are pushing this country in the wrong direction.  That however, is distinctly different than praying for harm to come to him or his family.  I am intrigued however that this issue does illuminate the need to understand the bible contextually and to not attempt to use it to justify any particular agenda.  What's ironic though is Obama himself has chosen to craft his own idiosyncratic interpretation of certain scriptures to justify some of his own positions on homosexuality.  If we are encouraging others to fully understand the scripture before using it to substantiate various points of view than we should apply this same standard when we seek to understand the bible's position on other issues such as abortion and homosexuality.  How does the bible define hate?  How does it define Love?  What is its essential message on truth?  I suggest we read it and study it to truly find out.  Only then can you make informed statements on  God/Jesus' stance on any topic. 

Mata H 5 pts

You are right to remind:

"By the by, the argument here isn't whether terrible things were said about Bush and whether they were more terrible than the things said about Obama. Christians should not use their faith as an instrument of hate. Period."

In fact NO faith should be used to promote hatred...Christian or otherwise.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

SpendWiselyTexas@gmail.com 5 pts

I wonder if this is just one example of the mainstreaming of hate and making it palatable to a larger group of people. It's probably easier for people to express their true ideology or start to identify with a certain ideology through a snarky bible quote with a greater meeting for the enlightened than to identify with people screaming racial epitaphs and using fire hoses and attack dogs on people. T-shirts and bible quotes like these allow people to participate in a culture of hate and pretend that they are not committing damaging and violent acts. By the by, the argument here isn't whether terrible things were said about Bush and whether they were more terrible than the things said about Obama. Christians should not use their faith as an instrument of hate. Period.

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Mata H 5 pts

It is important for all to see that not all conservative Christians would endorse such things. You are so right that hate should not be given a home. Thank you for standing up and saying so, too!

--Mata

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Fred00 5 pts

I am a born-again Christian, and I also am concnredwith the way this verse is being used. I have not seen the bumper sticker itself, but would agree with most of comments made here.  In seeing this story, I can see the hurt from reading it. This should not be so for our president whether we like his actions or not. First of all, he is at this moment, our president and we must stand by him. Second, we must and should never show hate to anyone. Especially in the way this chapter of Bible brings out, that the wife would be left widowed, the children affected, etc. This is not the right thing to do or to pray for. (I don't even believe that God would honor this kind of prayer anyway!). Perhaps most who buy this bumper sticker think it is great. I believe, they do not really know the Word of God, even if they do say they are Christians. As I say, we may not agree with Obama's methods, but we should certainly not hate him, nor his family. If we do, we are in danger ourselves of judgment from God.

Mata H 5 pts

If you also recall, President Obama also thought that Rev Wright had gone way too far,  and he is no longer his parishoner. Heaven help us the day it is assumed that anything a pastor/priest/rabbi said in or out of our presence is our opinion just becaue we were in the same building at some point. .

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

CherylK 5 pts

You are absolutely right.  Thanks for putting it in the proper perspective.

"If you find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere"

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Gwendolyn Hudson 5 pts

Didn't care at all.  Rev. Wright had opinions that I didn't agree with and I'm not sure what the effect of God damning America would be, if the Creator was following directions.  There has been incredible hatred spewed from the pulpits of churches/temples/mosques/and what have you.  Gays, Lesbians, Woman, Men, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Wiccans. Communists, capitalists--sheesh, somewhere I'm sure there's someone besides Direct TV that hates puppies even.  I have no doubt that whatever god may be only weeps.

Reverend Wright certainly was way over the top.  We all--I think--have people in our lives that say godawful things and we ignore those things as long as we can because of the good we also know is in them.  (Got any racist, homophobic, anti-Semetic  relatives?)

It was pure silliness for opponents to get their knickers in a twist over it.

Gwendolyn Hudson

CherylK 5 pts

Just checked SHTSPRAYER's profile.  Has been a member for less than two hours and there's no information other than that about this obvious rabble-rouser.   Does Blogher have a policy on this sort of thing?

"If you find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere"

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SHTSPRAYER 5 pts

I'm just curious, what were your feelings when you found out B.O. had been a member of Reverend Wright's "church" for twenty years?

What do you think about a man who would let a monster like Rev Wright baptize his children?

SHTSPRAYER 5 pts

Well I do recall a certain "reverend" Wright saying

"God damn America, that's in the bible for killing innocent people". I thought that was outrageous, but people voted for his parishioner any way.

SHTSPRAYER 5 pts

LOL

I guess you were taking a long nap 2001-2008, Rip Van Winkle.

Mata H 5 pts

Thanks for helping to get the word out.

mata

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Bailey Alexander 5 pts

i studied at Seattle University, a private Catholic institution, so I was taught by the Jesuits to argue and feel comfortable arguing biblical  text.  While living in Paris I had priests for luncheon on sabbatical and have argued with them at my table.  It was fun and a welcome exercise by all.

To me, the old and new test. are fairy tales, although one could argue they can assist in understanding how language has developed, but the numbers and the language is simply not literal, it's something open for interpretation. 

Let's not ignore the science, in fact, that's replace their hatred and their fear by instilling some fear into ourselves with science and review evolution and climate change, after all the science has arrived.

My brother died of cancer and became an evangelical before he died.  i'd never seen anyone become so angry and so fearful as when I lost my brother to Jesus.  i have some personal, direct experience with evangelicals.   They are a disengenuous clan, very.

Let's agree to disagree, why not.

Mata H 5 pts

I saw no site that wished the Bush family dead. I know there was plenty of snarky stuff out there about Bush. But that is in a whole different league than the hatred material I see out there now, and the kind of fear-mongering done by the radical right media.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Gwendolyn Hudson 5 pts

One of my favorite websites during the Bush years was The Smirking Chimp. I'm sure you know who the "chimp" was and I found it funny and satisfying even though I actually have no animosity toward my fellow/sister primates.

Progressive/liberals aren't saints and there are certainly people who wished Bush ill--those who spewed the hate usually had their comments removed and I can't remember anyone hoping that Laura and the girls would suffer.

This all sounds very cool and pedantic--at least I think so--but the truth is that this is frightening.  I doubt that President Obama is the anti-Christ.  Like Jesus (and no I don't think the President's the Messiah either) he seems to have more concern for the ones who have been born--the poor, the ones who can't get medical care, and those who are collateral damage.

Gwendolyn Hudson

Mata H 5 pts

Thanks for your comment. It really is time that those of us who do not back this sort of virulent hatred stand up and speak out.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

I agree. I am going to call it out on my home blog as well. Feel free to stand up with me.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Of course racism is part of it. Hatred pretty much gathers up whatever it can  - race, national origin, political party, sexual preference, gender --whatever is in its path. What troubles me increasingly is that this recent brand of hatred is usually accompanied with a smile, a smirk -- as though the hater really enjoyed themselves. THAT scares me.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

You are so right when you say "hate feeds on more hate and it infects us all unless we call it out when it shows its face"

Thanks for ommenting!

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Mata H 5 pts

Don't let the wingnuts at the radical edge color the whole picture. There are many of us out here in the world who are Christians who find acts of hatred as deeply repugnant and evil as do you. It is time we claimed back the word "Christian" for what it should be.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

The reason this phrase (109:8)gets by is that it is the verse in the Psalm right <i>before</i> the wish for death. It just misses being a threat. I can't help but think that is no accident.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Thanks for posting this. It is clear testimony to how widespread the sheer hatred is.It is ugly and it is time folks of faith (especially) stood up to it.

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Mata H 5 pts

Yes, they do -- and it breaks my heart.

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Mata H 5 pts

As I said, I think many of the people promoting this are not thiking about the rest of the Psalm -- they are just jumping on the Slam Train. But there are plenty of folks who know exactly what this Psalm says.

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Mata H 5 pts

I am not suggestng that people have no right to disagree. I am saying that there is a growing amount of hate speech being cloaked in religious language. And that is not OK. It is not Ok no matter whom it is directed at. Many Christians thought George Bush was pretty evil, but I never heard any who advcated his death.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

I am not suggestng that people have no right to disagree. I am saying that there is a growing amount of hate speech being cloaked in religious language. And that is not OK. It is not Ok no matter whom it is directed at. Many Christians thought George Bush was pretty evil, but I never heard any who advcated his death.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Expat Mum 5 pts

Disagreeing with Obama is one thing, thinking he's evil is another, but wishing him dead should definitely be taken seriously and people should be called out on this one. Unfortunately it's a slow-growing malaise in the US, just like the over 100 new "militia" groups training themselves should the President move "in the wrong dierction", (quote from a CNN news clip yesterday).

Many of us spent 8 years lamenting the acts of President Bush but I didn't hear the venom and threats that we're hearing now. Hmmm....wonder why?

SHTSPRAYER 5 pts

If the election were held today, B.O. would not win. Alot of people knew who he was and what he was about before the election, but alot of people didn't and they were suckered into voting for him. Now everybody knows. The man is evil.

stephfoster 5 pts

I hadn't heard of this one yet, but it's not exactly subtle, is it? There needs to be a huge outcry from Christians against the use of Psalm 109:8 in reference to Obama. It's not a joke and it's not funny. It's a disgrace that should deeply offend all true believers.

SHTSPRAYER 5 pts

I can understand why people want to see B.O. removed from office ASAP. First of all, he lied during his campaign about so many things and thats how he got all the independents to vote for him (who have done a complete about face less than 1 year into his term). The man is pro-abortion, pro-planned parenthood and abortion is murder. Personally, I think B.O. is an evil man.

Gwendolyn Hudson 5 pts

I haven't seen one of these bumper stickers yet, but I'm sure I will  SoCal is no different than any other place in the country.  I would say that I'm appalled and shocked--but it would be a Casablanca type of "I'm shocked to find out there's gambling..."  I long ago stopped thinking that all religion was about whatever the basic tenets claim to be.

This is especially both disgusting and frightening.  By and large the religious right is neither religious or right and much of their love is to either small clusters of cells in the early stages of life or those whose vegetive state has taken them past recognizable life.

Obama is black.The hysteria that he's a Socialist, Communist, Nazi non-citizen are primarily about that one fact.  And I think for many the prayer is exactly what it sounds like--not snarky good fun but a wish for his death.

The night before the inauguration an ex girlfriend left a message on my partner's answering machine: "Enjoy your last night in a country with a Caucasion president."

Yeah--it's all about his policies.

Gwendolyn Hudson