Is it a joke, or is it hatred disguised in Biblical language?
by Mata H

Over the past few days, a Biblical verse has reportedly topped the google trends charts. It is also turning up in bumper stickers and tee shirts across the country. It reads:

“Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8”

But what do you see when you look up that Psalm?

“May his days be few; may another take his office.”

But take a look at the whole psalm, especially the lines immediately after this one -- lines the original framer of this sticker -- and many others after him/her could not have failed to miss:

9 May his children be fatherless
and his wife a widow.

10 May his children be wandering beggars;
may they be driven from their ruined homes.

Diana Butler Bass in her blog on Sojourner's Magazine says "Thus, the “Prayer for Obama” does more than anticipate that he leaves office; it entreats God to destroy the president."

Grandma'Retta says wisely:

Exactly how long is it going to take us to figure out the danger of linking faith claims and violent fantasies?

Frank Shaeffer was interviewed on the Rachel Maddow Show. Ms Madow describes Mr Shaeffer thusly "...Frank Schaeffer, whose father Francis Schaeffer helped shape the evangelical movement in the United States. Mr. Schaeffer grew up in the religious far-right. He’s the author of ‘Patience With God: Faith For People Who Don’t Like Religion Or Atheism.” Here is a long but very important quote from that interview, the full text of which can be found here

SCHAEFFER: "...This is the American version of the Taliban. The Taliban quotes the Qu'ran, and al Qaeda quotes certain verses in the Qu'ran, in or out of context, calling for jihad, and bloody war, and the curse of Allah on infidels. This is the Old Testament, Biblical equivalent of calling for holy war. Now, most Americans'll just see the bumper sticker and smile and think that it's facetious. Unfortunately, there are 22 million Americans or so who call themselves super-conservative evangelicals. Of this, a small minority might be violent. But, the general atmosphere here is really getting heated.

And what surprises me is that responsible, if you can put it that way, Republican leadership and the editors of some of these Christian magazines, etc. etc., do not stand up in holy horror and denounce this. You know, they're always asking 'Where is the Islamic leadership denouncing terrorism? Why aren't the moderates speaking out?' Well, I challenge the folks who I used to work with... I would just say to them: 'Where the hell are you? This is not funny anymore. And be it on your head if something happens to our President..."

The unholy linkage between any hate sentiments and the trappings of religion are disgusting to me. I love my faith. I am tired of having the word "Christian" link up to hate mongers.

So are Steve and Andrea LaMott. They say:

1. This passage is taken out of context- Taken out of context, one can make the Bible say just about anything you want. This is very dangerous. This Psalm of David a song about one of David's enemy- asking God to help him even this person is showing him evil. Is President Obama really an enemy? There may be some who disagree with his (or any President's) politics, but does that really make him the enemy, or someone at the opposite end of the table?
2. Another Example of Christians Being Negative- It seems, from the article, that there are Christians buying into this passage and bumper sticker. Why do we, as Christians, always have to be negative? If we put as much time into praying for President Obama and all our leaders as we do in complaining about them, I believe our nation and leaders would look different because there would be countless people on their knees intercessing on our leaders behalf rather than complaining (which accomplishes nothing).

Polycarp created a stunning post about the rise of and legitimization of right-wing hatred in America, concluding:

While surely, this would never happen here in this great country of ours (it has before, here and other places) the main point – the only point of this exercise is to show case the rising hate in this country by those who reportedly claim Christ. Hate is being legitimized – and it is not a long walk from hate to hateful actions.

Last week I blogged about the 71st anniversary of Kristallnacht, the beginning of the Holocaust. That night was a trial balloon sent up by Hitler. If no one objected strongly in Germany, Austria or the rest of the world, then he would gear up full efforts to exterminate the Jews.

The signs of hatred we see now -- Psalm 109 bumper stickers being only one, only the latest, are like that trial balloon. Conservative bloggers are having a heyday with Psalm 109 posts.

Do they all know that the Psalm also seeks death? No, I am absolutely 100% sure they do not. I am sure they just followed along the snark trail, thinking it was OK. Others knew exactly what they were saying -- some of the conservative blogs I saw were quite clear in their unbridled hatred.

We need to be careful. Certainly the bumper sticker is part of the free speech guaranteed to us all.

Where I draw my personal line, however, is when people attempt to link religion and any justification for hatred. That is just wrong. And that is something that people of faith need to stand up and say as often as possible.

On the one hand -- it's just a sarcastic bumper sticker -- just a joke.

But it makes me uneasy. Very uneasy.

Mata H, CE for Religion and Spirituality blogs at Time's Fool

Comments

 

A cause for concern.

Oh my goodness, this is real cause for concern.   I've seen this phrase but have never bothered to look up the verse. 

"If you find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere"

Lake Mary Musings

 

Hello Cheryl

As I said, I think many of the people promoting this are not thiking about the rest of the Psalm -- they are just jumping on the Slam Train. But there are plenty of folks who know exactly what this Psalm says.

 

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

Not Even (Disguised)

As a Christian, it make me sick when people use religion as a mask for their hate.  That's not Bible-based Christianity at all.  All of these so-called "Christians" need to study out what the Bible says regarding respecting authority and praying for our leaders.

They give Christianity a bad name.
-Kimberly/Mom in the City

 

 

Hello Kimberly

Yes, they do -- and it breaks my heart.

 

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

Video: American version of the Taliban...

Great post Mata. I happened to see this on the Rachel Maddow show last night too. It's scary stuff. I thought you might be interested in the clip.

[starts 50 seconds in]


Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
at Catherine-Morgan.com and Women4Hope

 

Why isn't this on the front

Why isn't this on the front page of every newspaper in the country?  It's not funny and it's not trivial.  It's dangerous stuff.

"If you find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere"

Lake Mary Musings

 

I agree.

I agree...this is very dangerous stuff.  I think linking back to this post is a good way to begin to get the word out on this.  I've added posts to The Political Voices of Women (and the community) linking back here to Mata's post. 

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
at Catherine-Morgan.com and Women4Hope

 

Thanks Catherine

Thanks for helping to get the word out.

mata

 

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

Thanks so much for posting this

Thanks for posting this. It is clear testimony to how widespread the sheer hatred is.It is ugly and it is time folks of faith (especially) stood up to it.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

Dangerous indeed

I hadn't heard of this so I appreciate the information. I think here in the United States we're so caught up in our right to free speech that respect and courtesy are slowly going out the window. I agree that using religion to deliver hteful messages is not where we should be headed as a country.

The Secret Service are taking any threats against the POTUS as real. I'm not sure where quotes from religious passages fit in but I will be following this story to see where it goes.

Melanie @ MelADramatic Mommy

 

Hello Melanie

The reason this phrase (109:8)gets by is that it is the verse in the Psalm right <i>before</i> the wish for death. It just misses being a threat. I can't help but think that is no accident.

 

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

I'm just so upset by this

 

I'd like to think that most believers really are into the 'goodness' of the 'good book.' And this just rocks me on such a level that I come out the other end upset at believers, upset at conservatives, and upset at the world. 

It's hard to not throw a large blanket over them all, and I'm glad to see some Christians chiming in on this thread. It gives me the slightest bit of hope that religion isn't all just evil, which I know is not the intent. 

 

Politics & News Contributing Editor Erin Kotecki Vest

 

Hang in there, Erin

Don't let the wingnuts at the radical edge color the whole picture. There are many of us out here in the world who are Christians who find acts of hatred as deeply repugnant and evil as do you. It is time we claimed back the word "Christian" for what it should be.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

Hate Train A Rollin'

I googled the phrase "Hate Talk." I found a blog by Karen Russell from October of last year just before the election. It is not only the misguided religious who engage in spewing this venom. Others with public power use their influence and face time to encourage shameful behavior under the guise of politics.

The McCain-Palin Mob

I believe in small ripples. Perhaps this train has built up too much steam to stop, but there must be some way to at least slow it down. If people consumed with hate can pray for the death of their perceived enemies, can not people of good faith pray for a light to shine in the darkness of their hearts? Can we not, no matter what our religious beliefs or spiritual practice, ask the Universe to fill that gaping hole of  ugliness with some peace?

In our dealings everyday, we may witness hate being poured out in various ways. That hate may not be on the scale of wishing the President dead, yet hate feeds on more hate and it infects us all unless we call it out when it shows its face. It's scary to speak up, but somehow we have to find a way to counter this insanity. Supporting hate crime legislation could significantly help. I believe that our laws reflect the heart of our culture.

 

 

Osun's Drum 

 

Don’t mind the destination, don’t mind the end. Learn from the past, but grab hold of now. Now is always evolving. ~Rumi

 

Hello goddessdreams

You are so right when you say "hate feeds on more hate and it infects us all unless we call it out when it shows its face"

Thanks for ommenting!

 

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

Be vigilant and speak out

that is all so true ,,,the more others speak up and speak about integrity compassion and love of the other it gives those who speak with fear and hatred less power ....We are what wish to become so lets become better and better not more fearful and full of hatred

 

 

thanks Vita

That is why I love the quote (slightly edited) attributed to Edmund Burke:

"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing."

--mata

 

Does Anyone Really Think This Makes Jesus
HAPPY?

I haven't seen one of these bumper stickers yet, but I'm sure I will  SoCal is no different than any other place in the country.  I would say that I'm appalled and shocked--but it would be a Casablanca type of "I'm shocked to find out there's gambling..."  I long ago stopped thinking that all religion was about whatever the basic tenets claim to be.

 

This is especially both disgusting and frightening.  By and large the religious right is neither religious or right and much of their love is to either small clusters of cells in the early stages of life or those whose vegetive state has taken them past recognizable life.

Obama is black.The hysteria that he's a Socialist, Communist, Nazi non-citizen are primarily about that one fact.  And I think for many the prayer is exactly what it sounds like--not snarky good fun but a wish for his death.

The night before the inauguration an ex girlfriend left a message on my partner's answering machine: "Enjoy your last night in a country with a Caucasion president."

Yeah--it's all about his policies.

 

Gwendolyn Hudson

 

Thanks Gwendolyn

Of course racism is part of it. Hatred pretty much gathers up whatever it can  - race, national origin, political party, sexual preference, gender --whatever is in its path. What troubles me increasingly is that this recent brand of hatred is usually accompanied with a smile, a smirk -- as though the hater really enjoyed themselves. THAT scares me.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

I suggest these people have

I suggest these people have not read " Dreams from my father " which is divine articulate visionary and inclusive ,,,,Or in fact "The  audacity of Hope "... They are too busy living in fear of the other

 

 

I can understand why people

I can understand why people want to see B.O. removed from office ASAP. First of all, he lied during his campaign about so many things and thats how he got all the independents to vote for him (who have done a complete about face less than 1 year into his term). The man is pro-abortion, pro-planned parenthood and abortion is murder. Personally, I think B.O. is an evil man.

 

we are all free to disagree

I am not suggestng that people have no right to disagree. I am saying that there is a growing amount of hate speech being cloaked in religious language. And that is not OK. It is not Ok no matter whom it is directed at. Many Christians thought George Bush was pretty evil, but I never heard any who advcated his death.

 

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

Well I do recall a certain

Well I do recall a certain "reverend" Wright saying

"God damn America, that's in the bible for killing innocent people". I thought that was outrageous, but people voted for his parishioner any way.

 

SHTSPRAYER

If you also recall, President Obama also thought that Rev Wright had gone way too far,  and he is no longer his parishoner. Heaven help us the day it is assumed that anything a pastor/priest/rabbi said in or out of our presence is our opinion just becaue we were in the same building at some point. .

 

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

we are all free to disagree

I am not suggestng that people have no right to disagree. I am saying that there is a growing amount of hate speech being cloaked in religious language. And that is not OK. It is not Ok no matter whom it is directed at. Many Christians thought George Bush was pretty evil, but I never heard any who advcated his death.


~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

That's just horrifying!

I hadn't heard of this one yet, but it's not exactly subtle, is it? There needs to be a huge outcry from Christians against the use of Psalm 109:8 in reference to Obama. It's not a joke and it's not funny. It's a disgrace that should deeply offend all true believers.

 

Thanks Stephfoster

I agree. I am going to call it out on my home blog as well. Feel free to stand up with me.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool

 

I'm just curious, what were

I'm just curious, what were your feelings when you found out B.O. had been a member of Reverend Wright's "church" for twenty years?

What do you think about a man who would let a monster like Rev Wright baptize his children?

 

Didn't care at all.  Rev.

Didn't care at all.  Rev. Wright had opinions that I didn't agree with and I'm not sure what the effect of God damning America would be, if the Creator was following directions.  There has been incredible hatred spewed from the pulpits of churches/temples/mosques/and what have you.  Gays, Lesbians, Woman, Men, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Wiccans. Communists, capitalists--sheesh, somewhere I'm sure there's someone besides Direct TV that hates puppies even.  I have no doubt that whatever god may be only weeps.

Reverend Wright certainly was way over the top.  We all--I think--have people in our lives that say godawful things and we ignore those things as long as we can because of the good we also know is in them.  (Got any racist, homophobic, anti-Semetic  relatives?)

It was pure silliness for opponents to get their knickers in a twist over it.

 

Gwendolyn Hudson

 

If the election were held

If the election were held today, B.O. would not win. Alot of people knew who he was and what he was about before the election, but alot of people didn't and they were suckered into voting for him. Now everybody knows. The man is evil.