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It's About Community: An Interview with Annie Leonard of The Story of Stuff

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Story of Stuff Annie LeonardDo you know your neighbors? Annie Leonard, creator of the viral video The Story of Stuff thinks you should.

In fact, she thinks it’s the number one thing we can do to take back our power as citizens and solve our environmental problems. In this interview, she explains why, and insists that all of us need to be comfortable with speaking up and letting our voices be heard.

I sat down with Annie in her office in Berkeley two weeks ago, just before the launch of her new book, appropriately titled, The Story of Stuff, for a conversation with the woman who has inspired millions around the globe. If you happen not to be one of those millions because you haven’t yet seen the video, please take twenty minutes out of your day to watch it. Annie is intense, engaging, and explains where all our “stuff” comes from and how it affects us in a way that powerful in its simplicity.

"Some analysts say we have less leisure time than any time since feudal society. And do you know what the two main activities are that we do with the scant leisure time we have? Watch TV and shop. In the U.S. we spend three to four times as many hours shopping as our counterparts in Europe do. So we’re in this ridiculous situation where we go to work, work two jobs even, and we come home and we’re exhausted. So we plop down on our new couch and watch TV. And the commercials tell us, “You suck!” So we gotta go to the mall to buy something to feel better. And then you gotta go to work more to pay for the stuff you just bought, so you come home and you’re more tired, so you sit down and you watch more TV, and then you go to mall again, and we’re on this crazy work-watch-spend treadmill. And we could just stop."

It’s simple. We have too much stuff, it’s trashing the planet and making us unhappy. What if we just said no?

Story of Stuff Annie LeonardSome viewers have criticized The Story of Stuff video for being too simplistic. So, to flesh out her ideas, Annie has written The Story of Stuff book, just released yesterday. Following the path our stuff travels: Extraction, Production, Distribution, Consumption, and Disposal, Annie explains that the one-way system in place now is not sustainable. The planet simply doesn’t have the resources to support the creation of new stuff each year that will simply end up in the landfill at the end of its life. From oil to minerals to trees, we are running out, and our earth and its people and animals are suffering in the process.

Sound heavy? Chatting with Annie is anything but. Preparing for her book tour and nervous about her upcoming appearance on The Colbert Report (She needn’t have worried. She did a great job, answering questions, like “Are you saying my bean bag chair is gay?” and “Have you thought about putting out plastic action figures?”), Annie nevertheless took some time to rap about plastic raincoats, glowing neon body wash, and the kampung in which she lives. But first, I asked her about “stuff” and the criticism that she is anti-business.

Annie: I'm not anti business, but I'm anti Schmucky Business. Not all businesses are schmucks, but some of them are, and there's just no need to be.

Sending Stuff Back

Beth: In your book, you tell a story about a raincoat that you ordered for your daughter. When it arrived, you realized it was made from PVC [polyvinyl chloride, aka vinyl, one of the most toxic plastics] and how you returned it and demanded a refund. What was that like?

Annie: Yeah, I went back and forth on the phone with them until they finally gave me credit.

Beth: And you also sent back an extension cord after realizing it too was made from PVC?

Annie: No, I didn't send that one back yet. I have to send that one back.

Beth: Are there any cords that are

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Beth Terry 5 pts

The comment about her rigid veganism was within a larger conversation about judgment and guilt.  It was just an example, not a comment about veganism itself.

Beth Terry: attempting to live plastic-free and blogging the heck out of it at FakePlasticFish.com ( http://www.fakeplasticfish.com ). Follow her on Twitter ( http://twitter.com/fakeplasticfish ).

Elisa Camahort 5 pts

...is about her approach and mindset and behavior, not about her veganism per se.

Sounds like yes, but it's so easy for people think veganism itself = rigid etc., when it's really a personality thing, not a food choice thing :)

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Beth Terry 5 pts

Hi Elisa.  I am pretty sure Annie would agree with you on the meat industry.  In fact, part of our discussion that didn't make it into this interview was Annie's story about being a die-hard vegan in college and then realizing that her rigidity and the negative way she was interacting with others around veganism was actually hurting her cause, so she lightened up.  I don't know what her eating habits are now, but I'm betting she's not a big meat eater.

That said, the book really focuses on the production of non-food, tangible consumer goods.  She couldn't possibly include everything in one book.  But maybe in the future?  I got the impression that the possibilities were endless.

And can you believe that what I used for this piece was only about half of the one hour interview?  Annie talks really, really fast!  You should have seen me trying to transcribe it all.  Took hours.  I am not a fast typist.  :-) 

Beth Terry: attempting to live plastic-free and blogging the heck out of it at FakePlasticFish.com ( http://www.fakeplasticfish.com ). Follow her on Twitter ( http://twitter.com/fakeplasticfish ).

Elisa Camahort 5 pts

I like the Story of Stuff and Annie Leonard for the same reason I think Jonathan Safran Foer is such a brilliant evangelist for a new way of eating: It's not about judgement; it's not about hardship; it's not about all-or-nothing or black-and-white thinking. I feel like they both subscribe to my own personal philosophy which is: None of us are or can be perfect, so do what you can do until you can do better.

Because I believe most of us know we can do better...we just don't think we can do it.

That being said, I have to point out that the number one waste of food, if that's also part of Annie's concern, is the meat industry. The meat industry is also one of the very top contributors to climate change. So, it's only fair to add our diet to the list of things we should be doing some critical thinking about if we want to be environmentally conscious.

Thanks for this interview, Beth, I'm going to go link to it a lot now :)

Beth Terry 5 pts

It's so true.  The advertisers really want to convince us that we are not perfect the way we are.  I sometimes fall into that trap too.  Mostly, I don't see commercials because I record everything on my computer and fast forward through commercials or watch shows on DVD.  But I think it's a good thing to watch them sometimes with a critical eye and then analyze the tactics they use to suck us in and teach that to our children.

In fact, an organization I belong to does a program in the schools were they have kids analyze some commercials -- I think one is for bottled water, actually -- and teach them how to understand what advertisers are trying to do.

I love that you and your husband repeat the "You suck" mantra to remind yourselves how much you actually don't suck.  Plus, it's just fun to say "You suck."

Just_Margaret 5 pts

My husband and I have been big Annie Leonard fans for a while, and were just talking about the Story of Stuff this morning!  I don't know how many times he or I have said to one another about some ad  or some product, " "You Suck!  We at Giant Corp. know how much you suck, and we've come up with a solution to your sucking problem...Suck less by buying this product!" This is a direct result of how much the Story of Stuff has resonated with us. 

We also have been teaching our kids since they could walk about advertising gimmicks and not caving in to the societal demand to just keep accumulating "stuff".   I'm so glad Annie has written this book, and is able to spread her message to a broader audience. 

Thanks for a great interview as well!  I appreciated the chance to "get to know" Annie Leonard better.