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Editor's note: Jimmy Carter officially departed the Southern Baptist church in 2000, but still stayed on at Maranatha Baptist in Plains, Georgia, teaching Sunday School. He held on to a Baptist affiliation through many conflicts, including the denomination's anti-gay positions. This week, he issued a position paper indicting all organized religions for their treatment of women.

"Women and girls have been discriminated against for too long in a twisted interpretation of the word of God." -- Jimmy Carter, Former US president, Nobel Prize Winner

This week, Jimmy Carter left the Southern Baptist Church, where he has been a member for over 60 years. He and Roselyn distanced themselves from full participation a few years ago, but he remained a deacon and still taught Sunday School. He held on to his denominational affiliation through many conflicts - including the denomination's anti-gay positions. This document says nothing about LGBT issues, and that is a tragic shortcoming. But it does say something about women, and in that it only came part way, that part is very strong indeed. It isn't enough, but it is something.

Carter has been active for some time with the New Baptist Covenant which seeks to join various branches of the Baptist church with a social agenda. The primary action there has been to bring races together.

Here are excerpts from Carter's position paper.

At their most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.
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The impact of these religious beliefs touches every aspect of our lives. They help explain why in many countries boys are educated before girls; why girls are told when and whom they must marry; and why many face enormous and unacceptable risks in pregnancy and childbirth because their basic health needs are not met...
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The truth is that male religious leaders have had - and still have - an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world. This is in clear violation not just of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but also the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses and the prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great religions - all of whom have called for proper and equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is time we had the courage to challenge these views.

Not a lot of room for interpretation there. This straightforward document had me in tears. How many women have yearned for how many years to hear these words spoken by men of influence with the religions of the world. Carter isn't the first, to be sure. But he is among the most visible and respected men to do so. And he even left a group that was dear to him. It was a move he described as "painful".

Women speaking about change can only take us so far. Men's voices joined to ours -- i.e. voices from the hierarchy -- strengthen the position by making it harder for other men to dismiss, and by waking up women who think all men hold the same position in their church.

Hannah, in her blog about faith and abuse, says:

If we can open this door, and speak of the injustice that is done in the realm of women? What is to stop the conversation from continuing on to Sexual abuse among other things. You won't have to worry about people accusing you of 'slandering a man of God' when you dare speak a word. WOW maybe common sense can be used, and uglies can be faced instead of hidden...
Carter Speaks out about Treatment of women of faith, and how it encourages domestic violence! What a man of GOD!

Wisewebwoman who is over 60, and has followed Carter for along time says:

I've always admired the man. Sure, he had his faults. But his work for Habitat for Humanity, his humility and his downright civility have endeared him to many.
And today, in his 85th year, he completely blows me over with this:

This shouldn't blow us away. It should be routinely heard. In

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jakeruston 5 pts

I do definitely agree with him - Women have been treated quite badly as a result of a twisted view of religion.

-- Jake ( http://www.jakeruston.co.uk ).

Mata H 5 pts

Conservative religions were not singled out. I'm not at all sure it is helpful to say that one religion is "worse" than another. The historically hierarchical ethos across the board was the point.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Stanley James 5 pts

Wasn't it about 2002 that the So Baptists reaffirmed that "women were subservient to their husbands?"  I've got a good memory on these sort of things.

 The history of conservative religions has always put men above women.  Jewish Orthodox, Catholic, and the best example is Islam.  Where the man can divorce his wife by saying "I divorce thee" 3 times.  While she has no rights, and in many Islamic countries is tossed into a forced marriage to cement triabl and business ties.

 And the continum of these sort of things is also found re the religions treatment of gay people, and how conservative religions use of the bible as a weapon is a disgrace against everything jesus life meant for ALL people.

 And if you did a little, you will find that the So Baptists came into being as a church in the first half of the 1800s.  Where they were the bedrock of slavery, and creator of it's progeny, segregation.  Nothing like always having some group to denigrate, to blind the eye and harden the heart.  The opposite of what Jesus said were the two real commandments - love God, and love thy neighbor as thyself.

 The only shame re Jimmy Carter, is that it took him so long to make this move.  To understand fully that what is called Christian Love iw really "we'll love you if you do as we say, and hate and denigrate you and deny your humanity, if you don't conform.

Rule and control based absolutistmentalities like these open the floodgates to all kinds of tyrants and tryannies.   Of which an example was the people who gave us 9/11. Fortunately they ONLY got to kill 3000 people.  Over the years of segregation and slavery, probably a million Blacks were killed, and the number rwould have been far higher, except that Blacks were property -same mentalitiy, and you don't kill a work animal unless it becomes dangerous.

 It is all the same thing - CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL.  Anytime I see a control religion, I ask why they are so bereft of real value and the messages of Jesus life, that they can't simply asy - What did you do today for your poor, sick, denigrated,  old neighbor?  Whether they are white like you, Black, gay, etc.

 There will be a rapture.  But IMHO, it will be people like the leaderships of the So. Baptists, and their blind, unthinking followers who will find that infront of the Perly Gates, there will be an open trap door waiting for them.

cavallucci 5 pts

Kudos to Carter. The misogyny
inherent in the interpretation (or misinterpretation) of words written
several hundred years after the fact, then manipulated by power hungry
men in their plight to rule and subjugate rather than retain the
essence of the love and grace implied by the real teachings of Jesus
ought to be shirked for the harm they do and have done for centuries.
Good for you, Jimmy.

Danielle Cavallucci

author, Your Orgasmic Pregancy: Little Sex Secrets Every Hot Mama Should Know (Hunter House 2008) 

Mata H 5 pts

What Jimmy Carter and The Elders are saying is not a specific indictment of only the Southern Baptist Church, or even of Christianity alone. What they are saying is that religion across the board has been used to justify subjugation and bad treatment of women. The statement also says that this is counter to God's will. I am sure President Carter would agree with you that Jesus valued women. I agree with you. However, many of Jesus's followers have a view that women are "less than" men. If half the creation is viewed as "less than", well, all sorts of injustices can arise.

That doesn't mean that religions (generally stated) or the SBC agrees with these bad resulting things, but by promoting a belief that says women are "less than", any religion provides what can be the base for abuse.

Example - no where in the Koran does it say that women need to be genitally mutilated. But Koran teachings about women have been (mis) used to justify it.

This is not unique to women. People used to use the Bible to justify slavery, for example. Wikipedia mentions that fact ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Baptist_Conv... ) in relation to the formation of the Southern Baptist Convention, for example. Of course that has changed, but the religious justification hurt people. Every religion can point to a belief that can result in pain to someone. And every religion needs to be holding themselves responsible, because it is their work to do good in the world, not wrong.

Please note that the source of the statement which gave rise to this the article is Jimmy Carter. He is reporting on the discussions over two years with The Elders ( http://www.theelders.org/ ) a group of revered global leaders working for fairness and peace. You might want to read their statement found here ( http://www.theelders.org/media/mediareleases/relig... ).

Mr Carter mentioned the SBC because that was his religion. Elders of other religions would be mentioning theirs.

Does this help?

. ~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

melissajford 5 pts

One thing that REALLY irritates me is to read angry, negative comments about MY CHURCH without any sources to back it up.  Seeing people say things like, "I don't remember where I saw it but I read somewhere..." or "I don't remember who said it, but I heard that..." and then proceed to TOTALLY and COMPLETELY twist the words and or motives of MY denomination just infuriates me.

 Feel free to hold whatever opinions you'd like, but if you're going to bash an organization that has done a LOT of good in the world, state your sources.

Furthermore, as a life-long Southern Baptist, I really take issue with how Southern Baptists are made out to be women-hating bigots by this article and the comments that follow.  I assume none of you who bash us have EVER set foot inside a Bible-believing Baptist church.  Since you haven't, let me state clearly that you have it WRONG. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that women are 'inferior,' and in fact, a lot of Old-Testament laws and practices were put in place to PROTECT women. And if you don't think Jesus valued women, you clearly don't know your Bible.

And then to imply that Biblical teachings about women lead to abuse, rape, slavery and genital mutilation.....are you KIDDING???  What you are stating is in fact the diametrical OPPOSITE of the teachings of the  Bible and the Baptist church.

 Before you all continue to lead people astray with your unfounded rants, maybe you should research the truth a little more fully.

Mata H 5 pts

There is a direct connection. My prayer is with yours.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Carter was not singling out his church in the statement. Although, he did sever ties with the SBC in 2000. This statement says that ALL religions have been used to subjugate women. When he and the Elders searched for the causes of violence against women and mistreatment of women,they found religious beliefs at the core of the justifications for such behavior across the board.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

marywallace 5 pts

In 'Dance of the Dissident Daughter', Sue Monk Kidd writes her way thru her awakening about the misogeny in the Southern Baptist church.  She wrote 'Secret Lives of Bees', but her other writings, non-fiction, are beautiful.  Mary Wallace

janetedwards 5 pts

Jimmy Carter has done a wonderful thing here. He had the courage to name reality
in the church by using the two words, "discrimination" and "injustice."  I pray
that our churches will see clearly the connection between our sinful injustice
toward women and our dogged discrimination against gay lesbian, bisexual and
transgender people.  Thank you, President Carter, for showing us the way to
follow our conscience and stand up for what we know is right.

Peace,

Reverend Janet Edwards
timetoembrace.com

Kishabjohnson 5 pts

As a woman who is presently suffering from persecution and oppression by Christian men who refuse to believe that God anoints, appoints, commissions, and assigns women to leadership roles, it is refreshing to see a world renown leader take a position. I have been subjected to humiliation, espionage, cruel bondage, and attack by Gestapo police officers and laypersons from the community who were sent against me by church leaders who perceived me as a threat. What was my crime? I trusted and believed wholeheartedly in the risen Lord and the teachings of the Holy Scriptures. Because so few religious leaders today have made a full commitment to the cause of Christ, and rather, seek to advance themselves by building their own panel houses and personal wealth, they were immediately threatened by me as my goals and objectives are aligned with Christ’s – I am concerned with the salvation of souls.

This is a serious problem, and clearly one that needs to be addressed on the national stage. If more of us take a stand on this issue, it is my firm belief that God can work supernaturally on the hearts of the masses and create an atmosphere of honesty, authenticity, and candor, which must precede any necessary changes which are long overdue.

I have always respected Mr. Carter, and seeing this story has lifted my crushed spirit – crushed by cruel, sexist, and misogynistic men who intentionally limit and prohibit the advancement of women in the church because of their own insecurities.

windysblog 5 pts

Hey Mata,

Thanks for this post. I was just reading AOL's version of the story on Politics Daily. I've not always been a supporter of President Carter because of his politics, however, I am a firm believer that people can change. Perhaps the knowlege that comes to us with age has begun to set in for President Carter.

Whatever his reasons, I am glad for the discussion. Personally I feel that organized religion will continue to change for the better as we all grow spiritually and realize the parts of the organization that are prejudicial are wrong.

I don't fault President Carter for staying as long as he did in the SB church. I think he tried to make changes while there. I will pray for him and his family, because I know what it is like to leave a church that you've depended on for your spiritual life. It is never an easy choice.

Once again, thanks for the post!

Mata H 5 pts

Thanks for your helpful comment. It's always preferable to shed light instead of heat on such a sensitive discussion.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

I don't think the Carters have changed their position as born again Christians, but have spoken up about the treatment of woman across the board in all religions.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Please note change to headline and added ed note.
Thanks

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

ilja 5 pts

The problem with that analysis is that he is acting as if the only teachings of Jesus are the words in red. Since Jesus is God and is the Word of God and the Word of God was inspired by God, then the whole Bible is the teachings of Jesus. The Bible must be read in context and it must not contradict itself, else you are misunderstanding it. Iron sharpens iron. That's why it must be tested against itself.

Don't get me wrong. I am definitely no Biblical Scholar. I do know however that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and if one decides to treat His Word like a salad bar and only pick the things you like, then you would not be getting the full promises and wisdom of God.

The word subserviant is being mostly misunderstood by those who have a problem with it. It is not an excuse for a man to treat his wife as a slave nor her to treat him as infallible. It has to do with leadership and Jesus teaches that leadership means to serve others as He did when he washed the feet of his followers.

I have to get back to work so I better quit here. Thanks for listening.

klaasand 5 pts

I recently read that a Christian theologian, I didn't save the post, had published a book sharing his research and new perspective on the use of the Apostles and Pauls writings taking precedence over Jesus teachings.  He was of the belief that the use of those teachings should not come before Jesus.  I am a person of faith and find it particularly heartening because Jesus never suggested that women should be subservientand; silent in church; unadorned.  This speaks to my belief that we should take the inspired meaning of Biblical writings.  Otherwise how can one accept some of the Bible literally and not all of it? I appreciate President Carter's thoughtful and heartfelt decision

ilja 5 pts

What is he talking about? Why did he leave his Church and what does that have to do with women being abused? He describes what Hamas (who is a Terrorist group btw) does to their women as a reason for leaving his Southern Baptist Church.

As far as the past is concerned, it was Jimmy Carter who started much of this mess with his actions and inactions in Iran, lest you forget. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Reagan was perfect but he was a darn site better President than any we've had in my lifetime.

Robert Flynn 5 pts

I'm a Baptist, but no longer a Southern Baptist. It's hard to leave a church family, community that you have known for years. When possible you try to work from within to make change because it may be impossible to make changes in any religion as an outsider.

Regarding Hamas, Carter did meet with some Hamas leaders, and also Israeli leaders, and Fatah leaders. Those were democratically elected officials and it was something Bush should have done. On the other hand, Reagan and Bush 1 were partners with Saddam Hussein, illegally sold arms to Iran, officially designated as a state supporter of terrorism and sworn enemy of the US, and recruited, trained and equipped Islamic extremists to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. In 1996, the LA Times stated that every act of terrorism since the 80s could be traced to those recruits. Bush 2 declared Abu Sayyef a terrorist organization and then gave them $200,000. Chiquita gave more than a million dollars to terrorists and used one of its own ships to deliver them arms and ammunition. Instead of jailing or extraditing them, Bush allowed them to pay a fine.

ilja 5 pts

I am totally confused. Why did he leave his Church? I didn't read anything in this article about his Church doing any of the things he espounded upon in his explanation.

As for respecting the man, he lost my respect a long time ago when he crossed that line that former Presidents use to never cross in regards to current Presidents. This man is a Hamas supporter for goodness sake. Why are all of you so crazy about him? You do know that Hamas is a Terrorist group, don't you?

3times7 5 pts

Now he may want to consider joining a Unitarian Universalist congregation. UU's are far more in line with this older, wiser, and stronger Jimmy Carter.

All my friends are nursing mom's and I love them all!

Signed, Stay-At-Home-Dad.

vhanna26 5 pts

Having followed some very fundamentalist groups in my own spiritual walk, I made a promise that I will follow NO GROUP that claims that any group of people are lesser human beings for any reason.

I know this had to be an extremely painful decision for the Carters, but the right one.  We cannot use God as a reason to denigrate others ever.

ChrisStanley1974 5 pts

Carter's departure letter of 10/2000 indicated that he intended to continue teaching Sunday School at Maranatha Baptist and the 7/17/2009 Baptist Standard article you refer to states that he is still doing so, so it would appear that his relationship with the SBC has not changed in relation to the release of this current letter in support of women's rights in religion.

Mata H 5 pts

It was my understanding -- taken from the Baptist Standard 7/2009 that Carter still taught Sunday School at Maranatha Baptist Church. A visit to the SBC's main website shows this church as a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. Apparently the Carters left some ties intact after 2000.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

ChrisStanley1974 5 pts

It should be noted that Carter actually left the SBC in October of 2000, citing their overall rigid and oppressive interpretation of Biblical scripture.  He did mention their treatment of women as one example, but it seems that it may not have been the central reason.  I haven't been able to locate a full copy of the public letter he issued to announce the decision, and different news sources seem to be focusing on different parts of it, so I'm unclear on the specifics.

The letter you quote in your post (originally from The Observer), appears to be a general one of support for women's rights in the religious realm, which cites his past decision to leave the SBC as an example of how strongly he feels about the matter.

Mata H 5 pts

Thanks for your comment. I do hope this story gets picked up more widely. The blogosphere seems more active on it than mainline media.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Maybe it is because "Love isn't that simple." He had been with that church for 60 years, and apparently thought that change was possible from within.But like lots of people working for change, there comes a time when you add up the scorecard and make tough decisions. He describes the decision as "agonizing" in one interview...after all, he is leaving a community that no doubt was with him during the most intense times of his life. While I wish he had hurried, too, it seems the impact of The Elders gave him the support to do this.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Thanks for adding that background. Carter has been active in trying to get moderates together across the Baptist spectrum since then, but things have not fundamentally changed.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Candelaria Silva 5 pts

Mata, thank you so much for writing this column.  I'd like to respond to some of the commentors above who wonder why it took Pres. Cater so long.  I'm reminded of a hymn I grew up hearing it church, "He may not come when you need him, but he's always right on time."  I am glad that Pres. Carter has taken this stand at this time, as he has taken other stands.  I think it is important and I hope, because of his stature, it reverberates as widely as nonsense about politicans and celebrities does.

Any voice to the cause of the rightful treatment of women and the hypocrisy of this organizations teachings, is welcome.

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RelationshipQueen 5 pts

I wonder why it took him all those years to decide this.

"Because love just isn't that simple"

LynnPO 5 pts

In August 2005 I read about Mr Carter's initial displeasure with the Soutern Baptists and his decision to limit his association with the governing body of that denomination.  In the same news articles I learned of the details of the SB's decision to include official dogma that subjugated women.  While I can't find the specific stories now, I do recall that a Baptist ladies missionary organization raised LOTS and LOTS of money and began making the decision on what to do with those funds.   It was after that success that the SB elders decreed that women should "graciously submit" to their husbands decisions.  The SB also said that women had no place as missionaries within their church - negating the decades of hard work, faith and contributions by missionary SB women in growing their numbers across the US and the World. 

What can we conclude about the SB leaders from this act?  To me, it's simple - they fear the success of these women. They fear their ability to organize, work hard and raise funds. They were threatened. Rather than embrace it and support them, they chose to react from the ego and attempted to intimidate half of their members. 

I applaud Mr. Carter for this decision but with he'd done it in 2005 to highlight the real reason behind the actions of the SB convention.  I am thankful though, that he points out that most prophets of traditional religions embrace the equality of us all and that man's interpretation is incorrect. 

Lynn PO

Blogging about helping elderly parents and assisted living at http://help-4-mom.blogspot.com ( http://help-4-mom.blogspot.com/ )

Mata H 5 pts

Dana, if that comment is a link, it is not working...if not, I am not sure what you mean..

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Mata H 5 pts

Now we wait to see if other men lend their voices...

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Mamalogues 5 pts

If only he were consistent.  ( http://www.blogher.com/#mce_temp_url# )

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

Hiding behind religion to justify how you treat women has long been one of my largest issues with organized religion. IT's nice to see a man of faith speak out and stand up.

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