Considering the 2 Dem. Candidates I think that He is the one who has the most sense. Either way we are in a bit of a pickle, we have so many crying about the war (although we have succeeded in keeping the terrorist at bay) (if you haven't been to Iraq please don't comment about the war) regardless of the time wars have never been real popular even during the revolution we still had people against independence and hoping to "talk" their way out of it. But why cry and complain about someone who actually cares about the unborn baby and their right to live. Why is the pro-life movement called "pro-life" b/c that's exactly what it is, why is the pro-choice movement called pro-choice b/c it's a cover up; God forbid them actually come out and tell the truth and call themselves the pro-death movement. Maybe they can use the picture of the babies' mutilated body parts as their new logo. Maybe the pro-choice (pro-death) movement can make money off of the dead baby body parts by canning it and making dog food out of it or women's cosmetics! You talk about being helpful to women but a lot of women who I know that have had an abortion truly do regret it, they have to have professional counseling, some of them have had health problems, and are really depressed and unfulfilled as a result of having her fetus ripped out of her and having them cut to little bits and thrown in a garbage can as if it were some sort of deseased parasite that has been removed. A lot of women that are pro-abortion claim that if we overturn Roe v. Wade then, a lot of women will die... I would think that (and I say this w/a heavy heart) if you are not willing to die for your child you are not willing to stand for anything that has true meaning in life. Abortion is wrong and if you don't think so, just go see the pictures and videos of these babies being brutally desemembered and their fragile bodies destroyed it is a horrible site. The war in Iraq is more humane and less grusome than what takes place anyday at these abortion clinics. We let convicted killers live and sometimes even walk the streets but these defenseless innocent babies are being killed everyday and for what, b/c mom is not responsible enough for her own actions. As far as birth control is concerned pills, condoms, diaphrams, and etc. are great ways to prevent pregnancy. How bout instead of going out and irresponsibly getting pregnant, how bout you use these methods so that you don't have to commit murder... I mean it's just a thought:)

Hopefully, not only is Roe v. Wade is overturned but most importantly your heart is changed and you come to realize the truth, abortion is killing...

No way, Catherine!

I actually, kindasorta liked McCain 8 years ago (when he actually WAS claiming to be sort of "pro-choice," as well), although that's not the ONE ISSUE I vote on.

However, I'd rather have just about ANYBODY (other than Cheney, Rumsfeld, or their close associates) be president in the next term rather than G.W. Bush (who's really just been a Cheney puppet, anyway).

Since John Edwards lost his bid, I've swung Obama's way, and lately, everything Hillary's done and said has reinforced my decision (I think both SHE and McCain would keep the "Status Quo" in place in Washington, and sadly, I don't think there's as much difference between her husband and Bush as we'd like to believe -- although there's still a HUGE difference).

That said, I'm NOWHERE NEAR supporting the statement some people do that "if Obama loses, I'll vote for McCain before I vote for Hillary." And the Hillary supporters who are saying the same thing about Obama are AS CRAZY AS HELL!

The Republican Party has, if only by allowing Bush to run roughshod over the Constitution and if not supporting him, at least not STANDING UP TO HIM during the past 7 years, shown itself UNWORTHY to have another term in the White House, and as much as I've found Ms. Clinton to become distasteful in recent weeks as months, I'll GLADLY vote for her before I'll vote for John McCain!

Anyone who doesn't want to see both our economy, our social programs and our military continue to fall into a deep, dark hole need to vote for WHOEVER the Democrat nominee is this year, and this is coming from someone who has NEVER been a Democrat (I've always been an independent). but who G.W. Bush has come VERY CLOSE to turning INTO a certified Democrat in the past 5 years!

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"Late term abortion" as bull crap? Thanks, I thought I'd heard that only in very serious medical cases would something like that be done. Do you have a cite handy?

But didn't Obama himself use that term, talking to a rightwing group this summer? Saying that under certain reasoning about the law, "We can prevent some late-term abortions."

I like your phrasing, because it is exactly the way I feel. Of course I am pro-life, but that doesn't mean I can't be pro-choice.

*And for the record...I'm totally guilty of using the phrase "pro-life" in the title of this post because I thought it would be more searchable, and more attention getting. And I apologize if I've offended any of the pro-choice readers, I really am on your side on this one.

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Yes, framing an issue is everything.   If you haven't looked at the Rockridge site founded by one of the originators of the concept of framing, George Lakoff, I would recommend browsing it occasionally.   It tends to be intellectual but it helps when trying to frame an issue.  

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McCain has always been Pro-Life.  There seems to be a lot of misinformation on this thread about what it means to be pro-life.  Implying that people who are pro-life don't give attention and care to children and mothers is just an ignorant statement.  I'm pro-life and we work within the pro-life movement for ALL life.  We believe that defending human life doesn't end after birth, it applies over the entire course of life, from conception to natural death. 

I'm Roman Catholic and I've been involved with our mission team for the last four years.  Every year we travel to Nicaragua to work with the poor.  Our work includes building houses, as well as, working with a local Church and 2 schools to help the children.  We work closely with the Nuns who have taken the orphaned children in off of the streets to take care of and educate. 

Instead of bashing pro-life people, how about sharing your stories about what kind of service work each of you are doing to better the life of a child. 

Typical agitator hiding behind anonymity / totally empty profile.   No reason to waste your time replying to a person hurling insults and foisting his religious opinions off as "truths."   The great thing about this country and its founding is that religious differences are to be respected but that no one belief set  is to be allowed to control the lives of others.   Like it or not this country was founded upon and our constitution outlines the freedom to think, speak and act in order to maintain control over private property.  We have changed the definition of private property to no longer include other humans such as slaves or women. People like the troll want to return to a day where subjugation and oppression was the law of the land.  

Freedom requires us to be responsible for our actions.   This includes women.   Choices sometimes have to be made that are horrendously difficult -- but they are made in a responsible fashion by a woman and her physician and if she so choses her clergy.  

What I find so morally reprehensible is the attempt by the Fundamentalist Right to impose their morality on all of us.  I have a deep and abiding faith that is orthogonal to many fundamentalist beliefs.   Why do they think they have to right to impose their truths and beliefs over my truths and beliefs.   We all have different truths.  There is no single right answer.  The moment when life begins varies dramatically -- there are many absolute and very different definitions for when this happens in  various cultures around the world.  

The erosion of our constitutional rights is occuring at breakneck speed.  We have to be firm in our stance against this  and if we have the intellect and means to do so, we have to actively work to regain and expand our rights.   This is our moral duty.... IMHO. 

Namaste. 

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